Let's be completely honest. Would you give up your life now to be a pro gambler?

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.

Quote: djatc

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" .

You mean boredom, more boredom, followed
by extreme boredom, ending with a profit
at the end, then no. Not too many takers.

If you mean the fantasy people have about
pro gamblers, then yeah, lots of interest.

Not for the same pay, no. Not worth it to me to make a lateral transfer. For a significant net pay increase, yes.

I wouldn't be willing to be a pro gambler without an advantage.

Quote: EvenBob

You mean boredom, more boredom, followed
by extreme boredom, ending with a profit
at the end, then no. Not too many takers.

If you mean the fantasy people have about
pro gamblers, then yeah, lots of interest.

Bob I seriously doubt you know very much about being a pro gambler. You have pretty much indicated you are only a roulette player who believes he has an advantage. Very few people actually believe that's true.

You couldn't possibly know how it feels to be an AP. Even if by some mysterious reason your Voodoo roulette system actually did work, only Playing one -EV casino game is like limiting yourself to eating the same spoiled vanilla Ice cream, all alone in a basement. No having a different ice cream with friends on a hot summer day, no sprinkles, no toppings, no different flavors, no cherry on top.

Ya ya, I know you're going to tell us you have played everything under the sun and you have been coming to vegas(but wont visit the strip) since before I was born. You'll give us the loose lips defense about why you can't revile your AP knowledge.

Bob,

I'll tell you what it's like.

You're partially right about the extreme boredom.

It's more like this:

Boredom, exteme boredom, offensive smells, nerd festival, nerd festival, nerd festival...(this phase can last for quite some time without ever placing a single bet), stress low, stress high, extreme stress, excitement, extreme excitement, and extreme fatigue. When you get back to your room... you think you're going to sleep, but you can't come down. You can't relax. When you do some how fall asleep, you don't always realize that you're asleep because you dream that you're still working. Then, the maid knocks on your door, even though you have the sign on the door, and asks if you want room service and you realize that you've actually been asleep for quite some time. At times you lose track of the day of the week, and the days of the month. You hate all hotel food, especially buffets, and you drive as far as you have to in order to find a Subway restaurant, green grass, and trees each day.

Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.

Hey djatc! I'm new to this board, but my friend told me about you.

How's the Miata doing? lol

Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.

It's great being a full time AP. You are treated like royalty, your every desire is seen to, you rub elbows with celebrities and you extract money from the casino at an obscene rate.

For the other 99% percent of it , read the posts by Bob and Keyser.

I would think bordeom would set in for sure. But the other side is that as a professional gambler, you would be able to choose when you work (play) and when you don't. No schedule to adhere to like most regular jobs. That would be a plus. Don't feel great today? You don't play. A job would require you show up, or use a "sick day" from your available ones.

If you assume that there are plentiful casinos offering whatever game you are a pro at playing with an advantage, then I think it would appeal to someone who likes to travel a lot. You go from place to place, staying in comp rooms and enjoying good meals. You see the sights outside the casino at whatever city you're in that day. If that lifestyle seems appealing to someone then it seems they would be more apt to be be a pro gambler if they could.

Isn't there more to a career than just making money? I think a life spent mainly in a casino would get depressing very quickly. Even if I was able to make substantial money, I think the lack of purpose would get to me. Being surrounded by degenerates, and watching people destroy their financial well being, would get depressing as well. As for the gambling itself, I imagine that it is a life of occasional excitement with long stretches of boredom.

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What casino games is it possible to be an AP. Only poker and blackjack right?

Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.

Same money I make now? Lol, no. That's why I'm going to school to get me a real job to make me some real $$$. But, let's assume I currently have that good job that makes good $$$....would I want to be a full-time / professional AP?

Yes. And no.

I currently do AP stuff because it's something I enjoy, like a hobby, even though I take it more seriously than I would a hobby. It's not money that I need. I don't rely at all on money from AP activities. I wouldn't want to be a professional AP if I had to rely on it for income. That wouldn't be fun and that'd be stressful (at least that's how I'd imagine it).


I'd much rather have a "real" job (not that pro AP isn't a real job), then do AP on the side as a hobby. But, who knows, perhaps in the future I'll go "full time".

Quote: richbailey86

What casino games is it possible to be an AP. Only poker and blackjack right?

You can AP every game (under the proper conditions).

Quote: Mozart

Hey djatc! I'm new to this board (just like charles), but my friend told me about you.

How's the Miata doing? lol

3rd post and you are laughing at a long time member referring to personal information by revealing type of vehicle person drives?
Stalker?

Quote: Mozart

If charles can post, then why can't I?

But you are posting 3x

Welcome back B9? Varmenti?

Quote: terapined

3rd post and you are laughing at a long time member referring to personal information by revealing type of vehicle person drives?
Stalker?


But you are posting 3x

Welcome back B9? Varmenti?

Calm down, terapined. Why so angry? I don't even know you. Remember, I'm new here.

Look at djatc's threads, and it's easy to find out that he drives a Miata. SMH

Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

Yes, I would. But I doubt that most professional gamblers can make that much except a few big poker players.

my dream would be 2 caisno trips a week at 1k profit each visit

would never happen

Quote: richbailey86

my dream would be 2 caisno trips a week at 1k profit each visit

would never happen

I only want 1 casino day trip (3-4 hours) a week at 5k profit each visit.

As a person that has lived in Vegas for the last 24 years, I have no interest in doing AP full time. First of all, I am lazy and would have to work as insane amount of hours to achieve the same income. Besides, I like my current method of just trying to find an AP play or two once or twice a week. I really find it hard to play more than a few hours now.

Quote: djatc

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

The hardest part of being a pro-gambler I hear is that you do not know if dinner will be chicken or feathers. I know a guy who knew guys who would one week live with a buddy in the nicest part of Vegas and the next night they spent in a 1974 Buick. A "weekly" hotel might be your Taj Mahal when you are doing well.

So your life is always fairly busy though it is inn many ways better than a cubicle. First you need to be a decent dealer so you can get on some extra boards because if you have a bad week or two you need to have a way to make some real money. You also have a few "hustles" out there such as courier or movie extra. Common thread is they are irregular jobs that however pay well for a day and the amount of physical effort is not high.

Of course these kinds of jobs attract the same kind of people as you, so the great part is you get to network. You find the free play at one joint and the loss rebate at another. You have to live in Vegas or perhaps Reno because you must keep moving. $5/10/25 match play here or there, once the match play is gone then you are gone. You have a "route" to work. You spend time with the people of Wal-Mart getting the freebies. If you are smart you get a partner or small crew to keep the boredom away and save gas costs.

Free-play and match play, all afternoon. On and off the strip. Down to Freemont St. In and out. Dirty looks from dealers who know you will not tip and are gone soon as the match is gone. During the afternoon your phone might or might not have rung from joints needing extra dealers. It means all night on your feet but it also means a guaranteed envelope of some kind. Plus it means you get to know some pit bosses. That means comps.

Oh yeah, you are a pro gambler but you still have to eat. Maybe you raid coupon books or maybe you know the pit boss who will give you the comp. You might have to take your partner and play an hour of doey-donty regularly to run up your play. Might end yo with a buffet at Bellagio or the $1 $2 shrimp cocktail at Slots-A-Fun.

Now it is late evening and time to actually earn. Time for the Poker Room. Tourists think they can play poker, or figure why not give it a try. You hit a $1/2 or $2/4 table and just grind. Make a few bucks and hope to get a tourist to go all-in when you are flying American Airlines or playing with the Cowboys. You need to get an all-in when you have the best of it, then hope your best holds up. If you bust you leave. If you win you probably leave.

At least if you hit one or two rooms on the strip you get to be friendly with the floorman and room manager as the poker room is the last vestige of "friendly vegas" where the staff knows your name and what you drink. If they like you they can give some food and beverage comps. That defers other costs in your life.

If you catch the tourist you made $400 or so for the day, if you lose you might make nothing. Then you go to the bar and have a few drinks with your "co-workers" and swap tips on what the good play for the next day is. Then home, hit the bed (or car seat) and wake up to do it again.

The sad part is if I could buy a house instead of being so transient I could do it. Charge a few bucks to my crew to sleep on the floor or couch. I love my job now, but this looks better than the jobs I have had and hated.

Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.

I wouldn't suggest anyone quit there job to become an AP unless they were absolutely certain they could make it(it's best to play part time and keep your job). I suggest they have enough money to ride out bad streaks and the times where there is nothing significant to play. I suggest having lots of extra hobbies so you avoid playing NONSENSE low edges when it's slow, unless you are very well bankrolled.

Personally I didn't do it that way(except for the hobbies), but I was very young and I had very little to lose. When I did quit my job I had no car, very little money or AP knowledge (no books, no computer, no forums, no help learning or free information) I only had a crappie casino job. I quit relatively quick after I realized how and why I had close to a 30% advantage. There was lots of juicy machines plays when I started, 1 or 2 percent was a joke. If you weren't making at least $30 an on a extremely low risk play, something was wrong.



The day I quit I didn't even know 100% I was going to quit. I asked for a month vacation after just taking a week off(silly me). I said "If I cant have another vacation I have to quit " My boss said, it was impossible. She was very nice, she understood and was even encouraging. She knew it was coming anyways, since I begged for early outs every day. No big loss, I did nothing but socialize with customers and employees all day anyways. Dating employees or customers was forbidden, but I did often that without batting an eye.

The day I quit was both one of the scariest and happiest days in my life. I remember feeling relieved ,very happy, proud and free as I walked out and said goodbye to people. My biggest fear was the the machines wouldn't last. However, I knew I could always get a Job because I was offered a good job at the Hard Rock in promotions and special events and I knew enough people.

It really all depends on what game it is that you're trying to play professionally.

Quote: AxelWolf

Bob I seriously doubt you know very much about being a pro gambler..

About your way of doing it I know
nothing. I also don't know how to
hit myself in the head with a hammer,
or jump off garage roofs to see if I can
fly. It's all in the same category to me.

Quote: Keyser

Boredom, extreme boredom, offensive smells, nerd festival, nerd festival, nerd festival...(this phase can last for quite some time without ever placing a single bet), .

That's it, except for the length of time
to place a bet. I often wonder about
the pit, I'm sitting there bored to tears
and they do this for hours a day. The
best part of going to a casino is leaving
there.

I am just finishing up my 11th year of well....I don't use the term 'gambler', but the 11th year of supporting myself solely from advantage play (80% of which is card counting) and I wouldn't change a thing. I love my life and how I am able to make a living. Oh, I struggle at times and vent and complain about the negative variance and swings, but I really wouldn't change a thing. And I say this, near the end of what is likely to be my worst year of my last 5. My worst year since I moved to Vegas. Likely to wind up less than 50% of what I have made in each of my last 2 years. I figure if you still love what you are doing while experiencing such a 'down' year, you are doing all right.

There are negatives as far as all the time you spend in the casino environment, but many pluses like the freedoms that come with any self employment type work. It also allows me to live a very comfortable life and donate time and money to some causes that I want to participate with and help.

Since I am a professional gambler (again, not my favorite term), I can't say I would give up my life to become one, but I can say that I have no regrets. I do understand it wouldn't be for everyone.

Quote: EvenBob

The
best part of going to a casino is leaving
there.

YES

Quote: kewlj

Since I am a professional gambler (again, not my favorite term), I can't say I would give up my life to become one, but I can say that I have no regrets. I do understand it wouldn't be for everyone.

When asked by people what it is that I do for a living, I prefer to use the phrase, "risk assessment and investment".

Among AP friends, I prefer to use the word, "caper".

-Keyser

Quote: EvenBob

I also don't know how to
hit myself in the head with a hammer,
.

I'll be glad to show you.

I would become a Pro AP if Casinos could not ban me. So I guess the answer is no.
I think I could make a decent living as AP Pro BUT I could never make Big money as AP Pro.
Very few people have managed to make Big Money as AP pro.
I guess is like Professional Athletes, Musicians and Actors. Many can make a decent living but very few Big Money.

AP Pro is the only job in the world that the better you get the more likely you are to be fired (by the casino).
And the only job you have to downplay your skills.
Of course tricking the casino to believe that you are just a regular gambler is a main skill of being AP.
And also despite accumlating bankroll you eventually reach a point that you cannot increase further the bets as beyond a certain betting level the casino figures you out a lot quicker.

And most people who can do AP, they can also do a lot more other things that the Potential Benefits (money etc) can be a lot higher.
I played as serious AP Hobbiist (meaning around 300 hours per year) for about 3.5 years. These days I have a lot less time to do my hobby.
I thinked I learned a lot during that time of how to approach other things as well, like business and investments.

I was a "pro" poker player in LV from June 2009-Sept 2011, pro in the sense I had no other income, and had quit a job to move to LV to do it.

Quote: AZDuffman

The hardest part of being a pro-gambler I hear is that you do not know if dinner will be chicken or feathers.

Now it is late evening and time to actually earn. Time for the Poker Room. Tourists think they can play poker, or figure why not give it a try. You hit a $1/2 or $2/4 table and just grind. Make a few bucks and hope to get a tourist to go all-in when you are flying American Airlines or playing with the Cowboys. You need to get an all-in when you have the best of it, then hope your best holds up. If you bust you leave. If you win you probably leave.

At least if you hit one or two rooms on the strip you get to be friendly with the floorman and room manager as the poker room is the last vestige of "friendly vegas" where the staff knows your name and what you drink. If they like you they can give some food and beverage comps. That defers other costs in your life.

I knew I was pretty good player in WA, and studied the strategies, read the magazines, watched the shows, played online, bought the books, and thought I was ready for the big-time play in Vegas. Quit a job I disliked with full benefits, packed up everything in a U-Haul and arrived in Vegas the same day Michael Jackson died (it was all over the radio at 4:30 when I pulled into town). My reasoning was...if I can make $3000/mo in WA playing 1 or 2 casinos a few days a week, then I could make a living against tourists bouncing between 50 different poker rooms. Problem was, I was about seven years too late. All the fish had gotten better, like me, or had lost their bankrolls and went home. So it's a bunch of sharks around the table waiting and hoping for the once-a-night all-in opportunity where my KQ sooooted holds up against three other great hands.

I played everywhere for the first several months getting a feel for the town, then narrowed it to a handfull by the second year. Most all rooms in town gave $1/hr comps on the players card, few places gave $2, and some even gave $3/hr from 3am to noon (Rio, Station casinos). I gained Diamond status with Caesars and ate at buffets on comp points. I used coupons, and even tore out coupons from other books I found in the trash in my apartment's laundry room. I lived close enough to the Strip to walk to Rio and use the shuttle to Harrahs or Ballys. It took me a while to adjust my playing to be late at night when tourists are drunk (that's usually when I'm drunk too!). I made decent money the first year, played less and less by year two, and was so sick of poker by year three I was ready to put a gun in my mouth. Poker is boring, but it's all I ever played because skill is required, compared to the other luck-based games.

I'm sure it's the same any time you take a hobby and turn it into your job, whether it's tennis, golf or buying storage lockers. Think you're funny? Maybe get up on stage during your bar's open mic night and tell a few jokes? Then one night an agent in the crowd tells you to get an hour's worth of material and he'll get you a gig for $200/night. You find it easy, you like the adrenaline and can control the hecklers, and after a few months, you figure the money's good. You quit your job, your agent gets you enough gigs you go on a state-wide tour of Indian casinos and comedy clubs and it's great for 6 months. Once you've done those rooms too many times, you have to travel the entire west coast telling the same old jokes to a different sometimes hostile, sometimes apathetic audience. As you get better, your income goes up, but you're spending so much on gas and hotels, and you're lonely, and you're not exercising like you used to, and you're not eating your veggies, and pretty soon, if you haven't gone on the Tonight Show after two years, you start to wonder if you can still get your old job back.

I did get my job back here in Washington, but unfortunately for a 20% pay cut and loss of all my old benefits. I don't miss being a "pro" poker player at all. I'm glad I did it, got the experience, met some people, have the memories. I can still play once in a while, and go back to Las Vegas 2-3 times a year with a poker friend. I just won't ever do it for a living again.

Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? .

I think by definition you would have offer some sort of premium commensurate with the risk. Ofcourse if by professional gambler you mean casino owner that is a different question entirely.

In the early days of BJ card counting those girls were making 3 to 4 weeks salary before lunch.

If the early days will mean heat galore, perhaps not.

Will there friendly camaraderie or will everyone pounce on the bookie the moment there is rumor about a drunken quarterback?

Everyone investing at a sports bar or everyone cadging drinks at a cheap watering hole?

I would rather be a pimp with high quality }-{oes who don't need smacked around.

If I was able to do it in the sport books, I would consider it. Other gambles don't have the long term appeal.

Quote: thecesspit

If I was able to do it in the sport books, I would consider it. Other gambles don't have the long term appeal.

0% chance. I don't know how much more I'd have to make to be in the smoke filled casinos every day versus most smoke free work environments....

By the way, the question is impossible for anyone to answer...... because even the best professional gambler does not KNOW what he will be making.... he may know what his EV is, but as kewlj has mentioned.... variance plays havoc with that......

The question as asked adds that you will have some defined success, then you are not a gambler, but just a worker......

Quote: EvenBob

The
best part of going to a casino is leaving
there.

I respectfully disagree. The best part about a casino is being able to scout it for the first time. Lately, I've been dreaming about scouting far away, exotic casinos. I would have to agree that full-time play doesn't appeal to me at all.

It depends on your game.

For some reason people think you have to pick one game and one method. That's why it might seem boring. I would agree that might get boring. You need to have the ability to play and access most games (you don't have to be perfect). There was a time when just scouting the casino was exciting to me. Some casinos had so many different possibilities, you never walked out without finding 2 or 3 different opportunities. It was like a treasure hunt. Starting at Circus Circus by the time you got out of the frontier you had $300 in value. You didn't even need 1k in your pocket .

AxelWolf,

I think the best description is to call APs "opportunists".

Quote: AxelWolf

There was a time when just scouting the casino was exciting to me..

I haven't always hated casinos. I liked
them when there only Vegas and I
went a few times a year. Those days
are long gone.

Quote: Keyser

AxelWolf,

I think the best description is to call APs "opportunists".

You dam well better be.

Quote: EvenBob

I
went a few times a year. Those days
are long gone.

That's exactly why I don't think you qualify to have a LEGITIMATE opinion about real AP. Even if you spend time every day gambling, that wouldn't make you qualified, or most of the seniors in vegas would be 100x more qualified than you.

I said it before, Ill say it again, you can usually tell who the real AP's are. FAP's might be able to fool the general population but not other real AP's.

You can even tell when someone is trying to hide the fact that they are AP's.

THe real fun is when someone isn't an AP but wants other to believe they are, so they pretend to hide they have this wonderful system they cannot divulge.

Quote: zippyboy

I was a "pro" poker player in LV from June 2009-Sept 2011, pro in the sense I had no other income, and had quit a job to move to LV to do it.



I knew I was pretty good player in WA, and studied the strategies, read the magazines, watched the shows, played online, bought the books, and thought I was ready for the big-time play in Vegas. Quit a job I disliked with full benefits, packed up everything in a U-Haul and arrived in Vegas the same day Michael Jackson died (it was all over the radio at 4:30 when I pulled into town). My reasoning was...if I can make $3000/mo in WA playing 1 or 2 casinos a few days a week, then I could make a living against tourists bouncing between 50 different poker rooms. Problem was, I was about seven years too late. All the fish had gotten better, like me, or had lost their bankrolls and went home. So it's a bunch of sharks around the table waiting and hoping for the once-a-night all-in opportunity where my KQ sooooted holds up against three other great hands.

I played everywhere for the first several months getting a feel for the town, then narrowed it to a handfull by the second year. Most all rooms in town gave $1/hr comps on the players card, few places gave $2, and some even gave $3/hr from 3am to noon (Rio, Station casinos). I gained Diamond status with Caesars and ate at buffets on comp points. I used coupons, and even tore out coupons from other books I found in the trash in my apartment's laundry room. I lived close enough to the Strip to walk to Rio and use the shuttle to Harrahs or Ballys. It took me a while to adjust my playing to be late at night when tourists are drunk (that's usually when I'm drunk too!). I made decent money the first year, played less and less by year two, and was so sick of poker by year three I was ready to put a gun in my mouth. Poker is boring, but it's all I ever played because skill is required, compared to the other luck-based games.

I'm sure it's the same any time you take a hobby and turn it into your job, whether it's tennis, golf or buying storage lockers. Think you're funny? Maybe get up on stage during your bar's open mic night and tell a few jokes? Then one night an agent in the crowd tells you to get an hour's worth of material and he'll get you a gig for $200/night. You find it easy, you like the adrenaline and can control the hecklers, and after a few months, you figure the money's good. You quit your job, your agent gets you enough gigs you go on a state-wide tour of Indian casinos and comedy clubs and it's great for 6 months. Once you've done those rooms too many times, you have to travel the entire west coast telling the same old jokes to a different sometimes hostile, sometimes apathetic audience. As you get better, your income goes up, but you're spending so much on gas and hotels, and you're lonely, and you're not exercising like you used to, and you're not eating your veggies, and pretty soon, if you haven't gone on the Tonight Show after two years, you start to wonder if you can still get your old job back.

I did get my job back here in Washington, but unfortunately for a 20% pay cut and loss of all my old benefits. I don't miss being a "pro" poker player at all. I'm glad I did it, got the experience, met some people, have the memories. I can still play once in a while, and go back to Las Vegas 2-3 times a year with a poker friend. I just won't ever do it for a living again.

That was a good read.

Quote: AxelWolf

That's exactly why I don't think you qualify to have a LEGITIMATE opinion.

But YOUR opinion changes nothing, has no
effect on me or on anything. It's just
another blast of hot air in cyberspace.

Whoosh...

Full time AP seems like a shitty life, I would pass!!

Rather than listen to their tattered tiresome cover stories (except for Zippy above - I know he's legit 'bout what he says of what he did, and also not responsible in any way for anything I'm about to say that may tend to be a bit unpopular) I prefer to go with what I actually see the self proclaimed "pro" something or others do in reality, in their actual lives, and get deaf to the latest chosen explanation of the fantasy one. Really not hard to do around Las Vegas, in fact hard NOT to do some of that after a while even if you really don't care & you'd truly rather not know. It is a sizable city that suddenly shrinks to become a pretty small gossipy little town with everybody chattering on everybody's stuff after you slice it up by niche interest groups. The most common real Advantage Player plays (actual source of income for the mundane stuff of daily life) I see among those who are around long enough to tally:

#3. Jackpot legal judgment, insurance settlement, inheritance, sold Grandma's house when she finally kicked the bucket...

#2. Welfare scam, Workers' Comp or VA or Social Security "disability" (*ahem*cough*cough*) check, Section 8 housing, riding their 99 weeks of unemployment comp, etc...

#1. Found an unattractive and lonely but employable woman to attach himself to, and lives off her.

In other words, not much changed, pretty much the same list from the permanent "students" and "political activists" or "revolutionaries" from the 60's into the 70's, and then the "alternative healers" and "spiritual gurus" ten years after those fizzled out, then the little wavelet of "artists" who were always oddly lacking any sign of any art ten years after that...

Quote: EvenBob

But YOUR opinion changes nothing, has no
effect on me or on anything. It's just
another blast of hot air in cyberspace.

Whoosh...

The good old, it's just cyberspace defense. Is this a new found enlightenment? I seem to remember you had to leave the forum over some particular opinions.

Possibly not you that it has an effect on, But I'm such a humanitarian that if I can save just one person from being sucked in to fictitious beliefs that there's a super special secret betting system, I feel I have helped save someone from self delusion and gamblers fallacy.

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#3. Jackpot legal judgment

What's this?

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Full time AP seems like a shitty life, I would pass!!

Yes, it's not for some people. But why do you have that opinion? You obviously enjoy gambling.

Some people dream of going to Paris, I wouldn't go if I had a free all expense paid trip there.

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#3. Jackpot legal judgment

What's this?

Seriously? Well, I'm glad there's someone left; I take it you're not a big watcher of late night cable or reader of tawdry ads on billboards. Good for you.

I hate to do it, but here's a relatively smallish appetizer:

Palms faces $6.6 million judgment over patron’s sports book injuries

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A customer injured when a sports book patron dived for a water bottle thrown into the crowd by a cheerleader has won $6.6 million in his lawsuit against the Palms hotel-casino in Las Vegas.

oh. I thought what you meant had something to do with "jackpots" won at the slot machines.

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#3. Jackpot legal judgment

What's this?

Seriously? Well, I'm glad there's someone left; I take it you're not a big watcher of late night cable or reader of tawdry ads on billboards. Good for you.

I hate to do it, but here's a relatively smallish appetizer:

Palms faces $6.6 million judgment over patron’s sports book injuries

Can he get 8 million in free play?

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oh. I thought what you meant had something to do with "jackpots" won at the slot machines.

Well, now that you mention it, I do know a couple of guys who luckboxed into really big poker jackpots, both from being the "loser" in a "bad-beat jackpot" hand that paid them a ridiculous sum from the site or casino chain's promo fund, one of them online in the heyday of online poker, and the other one from a very small stakes live game that I think he just sat at to enjoy the free cocktail service. One of them is still around calling himself a poker pro, and I seriously doubt he's ever even had a winning month other than stumbling into that one random jackpot. He has a "poker-pro" website that he's always trying to pimp. Which I will not help anyone find.

But no, I meant suing to get big bucks because you've allegedly been "hurt" or "wronged." Apologies for my lack of clarity.