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May 4th, 2012 at 7:58:32 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

"Cargar" also means to carry. Given the definitions above, all of which involve an obligation, that would seem the related meaning to "encargar."



I suppose it might make sense to review the ways in which words can be related. Sp: is short for Spanish, and En: for English.

(1) Sp: círculo and En: circle
are cognates within because they both come from Latin circulus (diminutive of Latin circus)
They also mean the same thing as nouns.

(2) En: circle and En: encircle
are cognates within English as verbs. They also have similar meanings. In Spanish, círculo , is not a verb

(3) En: shirt and En: skirt
are cognates that have since assumed different meanings. Men used to wear skirts.

(4) En: night and Sp: noche
are cognates, but to an older word than the Latin. I won't just say "cognate" if the relationship is older than Greek or Latin

(5) En: bonanza and Sp: bonanza
an English loanword from the Spanish language

(6) En: cheat and Sp: caer
are cognates, that now have radically different meanings in respective language

(7) En:alcove and Sp: alcoba & En/Sp:chocolate
are cognates that English got from Spanish, but Spanish got from another language. In this case Arabic and Nahuatl (Aztec)

(8) En: much and Sp: mucho
are false cognates. They are similar in spelling and meaning, but have no historical relationship


English cargo is actually a loanword from Spanish cargar.
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May 4th, 2012 at 9:08:16 AM permalink
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Quote: Wizard

According to SpanishDict.com, corre is the second person informal imperative conjugation of correr.



"Corre" is third person, no question about it.



Minor correction:

"Corre" can also be second person formal in the present tense. The conjugation goes like:

Yo corro
Tu corres
Usted corre
Ella/El corre
Nosostros corremos
Ustedes corren
Ellas/Ellos corren
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May 4th, 2012 at 11:41:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

According to SpanishDict.com, corre is the second person informal imperative conjugation of correr.



I assume that Correlo, ahora! would be Run it, now!.

In the positive imperative pronouns go after the verb, and in the prohibition (or negative imperative) they go before the verb.
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May 4th, 2012 at 11:43:54 AM permalink
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I assume that Correlo, ahora! would be Run it, now!.



It can mean that. But by common usage it would mean "fire him, now!"
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May 4th, 2012 at 12:03:03 PM permalink
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I told you that you needed to generate an index for this thread! :-)



I don't disagree. But by the length of the thread, and if we're going to count words that come up in explanation and discussion, it would be a herculean task.

Any takers?


http://miplet.net/list.txt is a tab delimited list of the date , word, page number , and permalink of all the words I could find. I might have missed a few or have typos. Some days had more than one word: they got their own line. Only words of the day were included.
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May 4th, 2012 at 12:03:21 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

It can mean that. But by common usage it would mean "fire him, now!"


Good to know. I would hate to tell someone to run the printer, and inadvertently fire him.
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May 4th, 2012 at 1:35:07 PM permalink
Quote: miplet

http://miplet.net/list.txt is a tab delimited list of the date , word, page number , and permalink of all the words I could find. I might have missed a few or have typos. Some days had more than one word: they got their own line. Only words of the day were included.



Wow!

Whereabouts on Olympus does thou reside?
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May 4th, 2012 at 2:11:28 PM permalink
Very impressive, miplet. Now I can't refrain from offering the onus onto the Wizard.

You may be aware of the index I keep updated in the first post in the Casino Chip of the Day thread. If the Wizard would take the benefit of miplet's work and copy the table from pacomartin's post into an edit of post #1 of this thread, then each day forward he would only need to add one cell to the table. If the table included the page number or link, that would be even better.

I chose to make my table with the cells having links to the chip posts, but that takes more effort to update.
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May 5th, 2012 at 2:51:41 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

http://miplet.net/list.txt is a tab delimited list of the date , word, page number , and permalink of all the words I could find. I might have missed a few or have typos. Some days had more than one word: they got their own line. Only words of the day were included.



Wow! I hope you scrubbed the forum somehow to come up with that. That would have been terribly tedious to do it by hand. Either way, THANK YOU!

Thanks also to Paco for transcribing it here. I'm going to use my admin privilege and keep updating Paco's list. By the way, I'm embarrassed to see how many of the words on that list I forgot the meaning of.

¡Feliz Cinco de Mayo todos! My high school Spanish teacher once remarked that when she moved to the US from Mexico she was astounded what a fuss we make over Cinco de Mayo. She said that in her experience it was no big deal in Mexico. Here it is often incorrectly assumed to be Mexican independence day, which actually falls on September 16, which gets very little attention north of the border. You have to admit that Cinco de Mayo is a lot easier for us gringos to say than Dieciséis de Septiembre. Disculpame if I made all the same comments last year.

Fecha: 5-5-12
Palabra: Luchar


In honor of Cinco de Mayo, today's SWD is luchar, which means to struggle or fight. The day celebrates the day the Mexican army defeated the much better equipped French army, who also outnumbered Mexico 2 to 1, in the Battle of Puebla. I pick luchar in honor of Mexico's struggle/fight to drive out the French.

It is actually a pretty interesting story. Some believe that Napoleon's real interest was in the United States, hoping to have a foothold in Mexico from which to attack the confederacy, which I guess he assumed would win the Civil War, but be in no shape to defeat France as well. Once Lincoln was done with the South, he helped Mexico drive out the French, which is why I believe Lincoln is revered in Mexico to this day.

Of course, history is not my strong suit, and I welcome correction to any of this.

Ejemplo time.

¿Como es Rubio Caliente haciendo en su luchado a perder peso? = How is Hot Blonde doing in her struggle to lose weight?
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May 5th, 2012 at 4:54:21 AM permalink
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¡Feliz Cinco de Mayo todos!



Gracias.

Quote:

My high school Spanish teacher once remarked that when she moved to the US from Mexico she was astounded what a fuss we make over Cinco de Mayo. She said that in her experience it was no big deal in Mexico.



That's odd. Until not that long ago, say 10-15 years ago or so, cinco de mayo was an official holiday. This means that by law you got a paid day off, or got paid double if you worked that day, and banks and schools closed.

It's not an official holiday anymore. Partly that's because May 1st is also an official holiday (Día del Trabajo), and perhaps having two off days so nearby caused problems. But I really don't know.

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It is actually a pretty interesting story. Some believe that Napoleon's real interest was in the United States,



Actually that was Napoleon III, not the Napoleon. But the first Napoleon had a role in Mexico's independence. When he conquered Spain, he deposed King Fernando VII and installed a relative, known in history books here as Jose Napoleon. The colonists here in fact began agitating against Napoleon and for the return of Fernando VII. Somehow that morphed into an independence movement.

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Once Lincoln was done with the South, he helped Mexico drive out the French, which is why I believe Lincoln is revered in Mexico to this day.



The French used a debt Mexico owed as the excuse to invade. Although they were defeated at Puebla on May 5th by General Ignacio Zaragoza, they did run president Juarez off and installed a minor Austrian noble as Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico (actually he was Mexico's second emperor; the first being local Agustín de Iturbide). This led to a long, bloody civil war between those loyal to Juarez and those who accepted the new regime.

Eventually America settled her own civil war, and Lincoln could focus on pressuring the French to move out. Once they did, the civil war resolved itself in short order. Maximilian was captured and executed and Juarez got reinstated. Juarez, in fact, ruled for a very long time afterwards, inspiring a man by the name of Porfirio Díaz to come up with the slogan "Sufragio efectivo, no reelección" (more or less "effective suffrage, no to reelection") to drive Juarez off. Then Díaz got himself reelected president for the next 30 years, until he was deposed in the Revolution of 1910.

Well, that concludes the brief history lesson.

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¿Como es Rubio Caliente haciendo en su luchado a perder peso? = How is Hot Blonde doing in her struggle to lose weight?



Oh, dear. In this context, "rubiO" = "blond man", "rubiA" = "blond woman."

"¿Como le va a HotBlonde en su lucha para perder peso?"

I can't stress this enough: names shouldn't be translated. There are exceptions due to tradition, and in cases when the original name is too hard to pronounce
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