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GWAE
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September 21st, 2019 at 12:34:57 PM permalink
So did you get to watch the 2 games before you? I guess that would have been the monday and tuesday tapings? If you did, does that help in order to see how the champion plays.
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September 21st, 2019 at 1:35:45 PM permalink
What are your thoughts on them accepting "The Mooch" as an answer for "Scaramucci"?
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September 21st, 2019 at 2:51:19 PM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

What are your thoughts on them accepting "The Mooch" as an answer for "Scaramucci"?


I think they should have asked for clarification, but that would have been plenty of time to think of the correct answer.
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September 21st, 2019 at 4:07:28 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

So did you get to watch the 2 games before you? I guess that would have been the monday and tuesday tapings? If you did, does that help in order to see how the champion plays.



I did watch them, from the audience. It was helpful, because I saw how he had changed from last season to running the bottom of the board and trying to screw everybody up by using up the valuable clues before they got their feet under them. I decided I had to go head to head with that tactic, which is why I went straight across when I got control.

I think there can be good arguments made a lot of ways to play it, but the 8 games I'd seen him play (had not seen the first week of season 36 taping) showed him changing to that and killing the DDs early. I didn't want it to be a buzzer race with easier questions - I was trying to build a lead and catch the DD before he could. I knew the buzzer was going to be tough against two guys in their 30s - there's a medical reason they make us retire by 56, and reflexes are part of it.

It didn't work particularly well, but perhaps better than anything else would have. Karma that someone like me, who cares a lot about spelling and usage, would get tripped up by a category where everything was misspelled on purpose. Lol.
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September 21st, 2019 at 4:32:06 PM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

What are your thoughts on them accepting "The Mooch" as an answer for "Scaramucci"?



I think they're applying a bit of a double standard, Alex in particular, in how they're running the game right now. He's getting a lot of room on questions. Alex is cutting him off and giving him "correct" on 1 or 2 answers a game, then expanding his answer sometimes, or giving an alternate. Other people are being held to the stricter standard they traditionally enforce.

I would have expected "da mooch!" to be wrong. If I had said it without coming up with Scaramucci myself, I wouldn't be surprised to be ruled incorrect.

"Chemin de fer" is correct specific to James Bond. "baccarat" I think is incorrect. It's incorrect for sure when referring to Casino Royale (original), Dr. No, and Thunderball, but I don't know the Canon enough to say he never played "baccarat" by that name in some other movie.

Jason added a syllable into a long word answer, can't remember the exact word, but it ended correctly in -ary, and he said it with -iary at the end. Other recent game, that challenger who did something similar was ruled incorrect with an extra syllable.

Can't remember all of them, but the pedantic Jeopardy! fans on another site are noticing.

I was kind of surprised Alex didn't accept "corona" for "chromosphere" and say yes, corona or chromosphere. However, the clue contained the word "colorful" which demanded something from that vocabulary about the name, and corona doesn't qualify.

My humble opinion is: I think Alex wants a superchamp to go out on, and has made a conscious or unconscious choice to give him every opportunity to succeed. If that's at the rest of our expense, so be it. He's dying, and nobody there gives a sh*t about this small stuff right now.
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September 21st, 2019 at 4:41:51 PM permalink
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College Bowl. Sale of the Century. Gambit. High Rollers. Even "blink and you'll miss them" shows like The Magnificent Marble Machine and 3 for the Money. All "buzz-in" shows. Were those rigged?

Strange comparison. Most shows have "open" buzzers that allow a player to ring in at any point. In "$ale of the Century", contestants frequently buzzed in too early and could not correctly answer the question. Early buzzes were common in the speed round.

"Jeopardy!" is unique in its need for question to be finished and a switch to be flipped before anyone can answer. This changes how it is played and rewards reaction time more than a normal game show.

"Jeopardy!" also uses a different buzzer. The slap the plunger type are easier to practice with because you can get them anywhere. Former champions say clicky-pen, but it has no feedback. Though I guess you could make a "Jeopardy!" style buzzer with lights using an arduino or something.

I AM NOT SAYING "JEOPARDY!" IS RIGGED! It it very different from other shows. Knowing the answer first does not mean you will get it first.

re: baccarat. Chemin de fer is a type of baccarat. It is called "baccarat chemin de fer." I think they would have accepted "baccarat", "baccarat chemin de fer", or "chemin de fer", though possibly only after inquiry by judges. Punto banco would probably not cut it as it is different variant. Say the question was about that more recent movie where he played poker. I think they would have accepted "texas hold 'em (poker)" or just "poker" in that case.
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September 21st, 2019 at 9:03:16 PM permalink
As to the baccarat/chemin de fer issue, I would have definitely gone with baccarat had I been playing. Expecting the average person to know chemin de fer from baccarat is beyond Jeopardy expectations, which is why I would have gone with the more familiar baccarat. Had I been a judge, I would have accepted either. As to what should be the right answer, I would need to re-watch the Bond films where he plays either game. I do recall specifically he was playing chemin de fer in For Your Eyes Only, as evidenced by Bond having free will to hit or stand.

As to "the Mooch," I was surprised too that was accepted without argument. I am not saying it should have been wrong, but Alex should have asked for the actual name. To play the devil's advocate, I've seen FDR accepted in lieu of Franklin Roosevelt, so maybe in some cases they just care that it's clear you know the answer.
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September 21st, 2019 at 9:14:59 PM permalink
Here's a page devoted to the topic:

Famous James Bond films with Baccarat Scenes:

https://www.casino-reviewer.co.uk/online-casino-news/570/view_details/Famous-James-Bond-films-with-Baccarat-Scenes
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September 21st, 2019 at 10:50:34 PM permalink
Note that in the first Bond film he specifically says it's Chemin de fer (while exiting the casino with Ms Trench).



On a Bond trivia sidebar, note that 007's famous catchphrase of "surname--first name--surname" comes from him mimicking Sylvia.
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September 21st, 2019 at 11:08:17 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As to the baccarat/chemin de fer issue,



In the Bond books I'm fairly certain
it was never referred to as baccarat.
Not as cool or elegant as chemin-de-fer.
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