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blount2000
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August 26th, 2016 at 11:30:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

While on my smart phone I only need to know the first few letters of a word, p o r r in this case.


My phone is a little different than yours. When I type those three letters in, for some reason the autocomplete immediately suggests a different word before I can get that fourth letter in.






;)
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mrsuit31
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August 26th, 2016 at 12:10:58 PM permalink
My question is what variety of this four letter word populates. That will tell us all a lot about you lol.
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SOOPOO
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August 26th, 2016 at 12:11:44 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Just to be awkward, I don't propose to pool my winnings.

I have bid $1 each of three times and will cooperate with the team, but for no sensible reason whatsoever, I'd like my wagers to just be between me and Wizard,

If that takes me out of the team, then so be it.



Me too. I thought I made it clear that as of now the money I have earned is mine, to do with as I please. I selected $1 this round to help out the team although I do not consider myself a member of the team. I sense there may be discord amongst team members when it comes time to decide what to do with the money.....
If someone was on the team but misses a round, what happens?
Can someone join the team late?
Who decides what to do with the pooled team money?
The team seems too cumbersome.....
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August 26th, 2016 at 12:36:14 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I sense there may be discord amongst team members when it comes time to decide what to do with the money.....


That's pretty much my thinking. Unless pretty much all 40 are on the team, following a clear PRE-defined strategy, I believe it will end in squabbles. Squabbles that Mike won't want to get involved in and which will only complicate his payout process.
So.... Personally, I'll take my chance on the outside. I'll still divulge my bid and let the team, and other individuals, make of it what they will.
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August 26th, 2016 at 12:37:22 PM permalink
I haven't posted and followed this 100% but I also am not on Team "team". I am more interested in seeing what Mike's goals are for this and if he gets what he expected. I will not post my numbers each round but I will say I am planning of using the donation option if Mike offers it as he has said he may. I see too many issues with the team approach on agreeing what to do with the winnings and also with people not even bothering to put picks in after signing up.
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August 26th, 2016 at 12:54:59 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Just to be awkward, I don't propose to pool my winnings.

I have bid $1 each of three times and will cooperate with the team, but for no sensible reason whatsoever, I'd like my wagers to just be between me and Wizard,

If that takes me out of the team, then so be it.

I don't think you can participate if you get nuked.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 26th, 2016 at 12:57:28 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I haven't posted and followed this 100% but I also am not on Team "team". I am more interested in seeing what Mike's goals are for this and if he gets what he expected. I will not post my numbers each round but I will say I am planning of using the donation option if Mike offers it as he has said he may. I see too many issues with the team approach on agreeing what to do with the winnings and also with people not even bothering to put picks in after signing up.

# now 1247
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 26th, 2016 at 1:06:31 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

My question is what variety of this four letter word populates. That will tell us all a lot about you lol.

LOL.

I actually didn't know what he meant. I was confused for a minute until I read this.

I'm sure none of his searches start with a P probably a G or K (J/K)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 26th, 2016 at 1:11:25 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

LOL.

I actually didn't know what he meant. I was confused for a minute until I read this.

I'm sure none of his searches start with a P probably a G or K (J/K)



If you've ever seen Tosh's Happy Thoughts stand up routine, he has the same issue. Except his happens the moment he enters the letter A. When he does it autopopulates "Asian A** Por* lol (stars entered for effect)
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August 26th, 2016 at 2:04:53 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't think you can participate if you get nuked.


Why would you think I'd get nuked. . . Unless you mean literally after President Trump starts WW3?
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August 26th, 2016 at 3:08:06 PM permalink
Sending $1 bid now. KEEP THE $1 BIDS GOING. If we have the same results (which I'm hoping for even LESS $3 bids) then we'll be sitting with $50+ on this round. If we can just make $40/round we'll have some decent parlaying CASH!

The trick here is to NOT try to Maximize EV, because then the outliars can hurt you when you're neck and neck between winning and losing. CONTINUE ON TEAM! STAY TRUE TO YOUR $1 BIDS!
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August 26th, 2016 at 3:18:03 PM permalink
I think we should strategize about picking some higher amounts or this whole experiment becomes boring if there's no chance we can't lose causing the wizard to end it sooner.
AxelWolf
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August 26th, 2016 at 3:33:43 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Why would you think I'd get nuked. . . Unless you mean literally after President Trump starts WW3?

Wishful thinking (-;
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August 26th, 2016 at 5:48:40 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

I think we should strategize about picking some higher amounts or this whole experiment becomes boring if there's no chance we can't lose causing the wizard to end it sooner.


That was half my reason for picking $3 this round.

Wiz didn't say how many rounds we get, but if it doesn't get interesting it may not be many more!
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August 26th, 2016 at 6:37:59 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Wishful thinking (-;

I have no reason to discuss this matter further.
I got booted off the list/team due an unfortunate, cough, interruption of my online activity ;-!

I have requested to SIT on some damn WAITING list, but have not rec'd a response as of yet. I'm waiting on my casino host to get back to me as well....

Good luck to all, bettors/colluders/house (Wiz).

If I'm allowed back in the game, I can bring my 'magic balls'. 2F
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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August 26th, 2016 at 7:43:46 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Wiz didn't say how many rounds we get, but if it doesn't get interesting it may not be many more!

You don't think all these discussions are interesting? Personally, I find the confusion between the team play and parlay end game, fascinating.
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August 26th, 2016 at 8:10:41 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You don't think all these discussions are interesting? Personally, I find the confusion between the team play and parlay end game, fascinating.



I'm not sure fascinating is the right word for it.

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August 26th, 2016 at 9:23:21 PM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

I have no reason to discuss this matter further.
I got booted off the list/team due an unfortunate, cough, interruption of my online activity ;-!

I have requested to SIT on some damn WAITING list, but have not rec'd a response as of yet. I'm waiting on my casino host to get back to me as well....

Good luck to all, bettors/colluders/house (Wiz).

If I'm allowed back in the game, I can bring my 'magic balls'. 2F



It appears that 2F and RC are waiting on the double secret, hidden, and perhaps probationary, waiting list for the waiting list
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August 26th, 2016 at 10:21:45 PM permalink
Quote: BBB (in an edit to mrsuit31's post)

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BBB....I know you know better -- than to think that it was DJTB who posted that image inside mrsuit31's post.

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August 27th, 2016 at 2:04:47 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I am assuming that mike will replace the non voters like he did first round...



Yes, sorry for the tardy reply to that point.

I'm going to eliminate jml24, paigowdan, and theoriemeister for not playing either round.

I shall add from the waiting list RaleighCraps and TwoFeathersATL. That means there is an opening for one more.

Round 3 player list:

  1. AxelWolf
  2. Ayecarumba
  3. beachbumbabs
  4. bigfoot66
  5. blount2000
  6. Boz
  7. Canyonero
  8. CharliePatrick
  9. Dalex64
  10. DJTeddyBear
  11. Doc
  12. doughtaker
  13. gamerfreak
  14. gordonm888
  15. GWAE
  16. HeyMrDJ
  17. Hunterhill
  18. joeman
  19. Joeshlabotnik
  20. miplet
  21. MrGoldenSun
  22. mrsuit31
  23. odiousgambit
  24. OnceDear
  25. onenickelmiracle
  26. Paradigm
  27. PeeMcGee
  28. PlayYourCardsRight
  29. RaleighCraps
  30. Romes
  31. RonC
  32. RS
  33. rudeboyoi
  34. SOOPOO
  35. TomG
  36. Torghatten
  37. TwoFeathersATL
  38. Wizardofnothing
  39. wudged
  40. ?
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August 27th, 2016 at 2:27:44 AM permalink
Regarding pooling winnings, let me say that anonymity is important to me. Here is what I'm thinking in terms of pooling winnings. At the end of the game, anybody may request that his/her funds be given to somebody else, which I will honor. However, I will not say who gave money to whom publicly nor to the recipient. So, a selfish player may claim to have contributed to the pool, but not actually do so, so he will not only get his own winnings but a share of the pool if the pool leader is honest.

For example, suppose Adam ($10), Bill ($12), and Charlie ($15) ask that their winnings be given to Darrel. All I will say to Darrel and in public is that $37 were given to Darrell.

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August 27th, 2016 at 4:24:12 AM permalink
I am interested in participating. Thank you,
OnceDear
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August 27th, 2016 at 5:26:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: oncedear

Why would you think I'd get nuked.

Wishful thinking (-;

No need for hostility or ill will, Axel. Why would you wish me nuked? Does it offend you that I choose to play this game differently? Is it so incredibly offensive that not everyone wants to play as part of a team?
We don't have to be on the same team, or even playing the game the same way, to be in the game and enjoying Mike's bit of mischief.
Mike's latest post about the potential for team players to doubly cheat by accepting their payment from him and then lying to the team to get a second cut have added even more spice to this game. Think of the hostility that could break out if that comes to light. I want no part of that.
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August 27th, 2016 at 5:45:39 AM permalink
OK, so me whining a couple times got me back in the game.

That and a promise to Wiz to bid $3 on round three, which I have done ;-)

Now you can add me to the 'Team' for future rounds. 2F
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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August 27th, 2016 at 5:48:19 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

No need for hostility or ill will, Axel. Why would you wish me nuked? Does it offend you that I choose to play this game differently? Is it so incredibly offensive that not everyone wants to play as part of a team?
We don't have to be on the same team, or even playing the game the same way, to be in the game and enjoying Mike's bit of mischief.
Mike's latest post about the potential for team players to doubly cheat by accepting their payment from him and then lying to the team to get a second cut have added even more spice to this game. Think of the hostility that could break out if that comes to light. I want no part of that.





Someone is paranoid LOL. Relax, you can't honestly think I wanted you to get nuked, I was just getting into your head(it seems to be working). I honestly didn't really care what happens, who wins what or how this turns out. It's just a game. People thought I was taking it seriously, exactly what I wanted them to think. Hell, I almost gave my spot to 2f so he would quit crying, until 3 spots open. There is way more important stuff to worry about and I have faith people will keep pecking away at Mike's 2.4 million.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 27th, 2016 at 5:53:58 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

OK, so me whining a couple times got me back in the game.

That and a promise to Wiz to bid $3 on round three, which I have done ;-)

Now you can add me to the 'Team' for future rounds. 2F

LOL I was writing what I said before you yourself posted about your whining/crying . I was going to give you my spot since you seemed to be all upset you couldn't participate, as if you got kicked out of the clubhouse or something.

You crack me up with your insecurities or whatever you want to call it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 27th, 2016 at 6:20:22 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Someone is paranoid LOL. Relax, you can't honestly think I wanted you to get nuked, I was just getting into your head(it seems to be working). ...
There is way more important stuff to worry about and I have faith people will keep pecking away at Mike's 2.4 million.



Yayyyy. That's the spirit. You were way inside my head, thoroughly mind f'king messing with me. I appreciate that!
Mischief is all part of the game.

Now, let's see if we can collectively dupe Mike into feeling his fortune is safe and have him put it all up for grabs.
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August 27th, 2016 at 7:43:32 AM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

I am interested in participating. Thank you,



Okay, you're #40. Welcome.

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August 27th, 2016 at 8:04:04 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I'm not sure fascinating is the right word for it.

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Booo, that was an amazingly appropriate and halarious meme for the situation lol.
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August 27th, 2016 at 8:16:09 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Transfers may be done only at the close of the game, whenever that is.



I see what your doing here. This is going to make things rather interesting.
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August 27th, 2016 at 8:18:32 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I see what your doing here. This is going to make things rather interesting.



Haha he could announce game 5 will start in 18 months.
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August 27th, 2016 at 9:25:00 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Haha he could announce game 5 will start in 18 months.



Not necessarily what I meant... Now with the "at the end only" rule. Any person on the team who has a larger personal winnings amount can completely back stab the team at the end, regardless of any agreement between us.

For example a, b and c are a team who have a pool agreement in place. Let's say the last round (with a wide spread from low to high bid of 5-500), a, b and c agree to a bid structure of a and b bidding 5 and c 500, for a nice pool winnings of 510 for the team ($170 each). Now, notwithstanding the existing agreement between the three, C can back out and keep the 500 winning bid for himself and screw a and b if he so chooses before the payout stage. If a, b and c could have submitted an agreement to the president (wiz) prior to payout stage, as I had proposed, no backstabbing could take place as a result of greed when seeing the high amount one could steal from the team. Now, this new rule by the Wiz specifically allows this to happen, which I believe is the purpose of the experiment...

Another scenario this allows for is that a few of the team members can deviate from the low bid designation by the team and place the higher bid and hope that the buffer will allow us to still win... At the end, that player can still "honor" (deceivingly) the pool agreement and only have the wiz transfer the lower designated bid amount he was supposed to bid, to the pool while keeping the excess made by dishonoring the bid structure for himself without anyone knowing. If we hadn't lost due to the dishonored bid, no one would have any idea that said person made a significant amount of money more than his unknowing teammates. Except for the wiz.

Sneaky Wiz, Sneaky....
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August 27th, 2016 at 9:39:13 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

Not necessarily what I meant... Now with the "at the end only" rule. Any person on the team who has a larger personal winnings amount can completely back stab the team at the end, regardless of any agreement between us.
...
Now, this new rule by the Wiz specifically allows this to happen, which I believe is the purpose of the experiment...


This is now looking like an unfolding disaster.
We are effectively playing a game of 'Cheat' where anarchy and deception are part and parcel of the rules of the game. But what when team members actively deceive and rob eachother of real $$$? Anti-welching rules will go out of the window. Wixard won't be able to arbitrate because of his stated insistence on confidentiality. And of course he is only party to individual wagers with members. He's not party to any disputes between them, but he is probably going to be in the know as to who any welchers are.

There will be tears, if not blood on the walls.
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August 27th, 2016 at 10:05:47 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

This is now looking like an unfolding disaster.

.........

There will be tears, if not blood on the walls.



I unfortunately agree, I think we may need to reconsider as a team if this is going to be worthwhile to do in anticipation of some pooh pooh later on, with no way to get a firm enforceable (while not legally, but WOV enforceable) agreement together..

With that all said, I am still on board to pool my personal winnings with anyone for the Romes Parlay bet at the end. I will have no prize breakdown issues as I will continue to bid the low amount.

Let me know what everyone else thinks....
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August 27th, 2016 at 10:18:15 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

BBB....I know you know better -- than to think that it was DJTB who posted that image inside mrsuit31's post.

;-)



Yeah, I messed up. Sorry, DJTB. The warning was for mrsuit31. I had just driven 600 miles and was trying to catch up fast.
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August 27th, 2016 at 10:26:27 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Regarding pooling winnings, let me say that anonymity is important to me. Here is what I'm thinking in terms of pooling winnings. At the end of the game, anybody may request that his/her funds be given to somebody else, which I will honor. However, I will not say who gave money to whom publicly nor to the recipient. So, a selfish player may claim to have contributed to the pool, but not actually do so, so he will not only get his own winnings but a share of the pool if the pool leader is honest.

For example, suppose Adam ($10), Bill ($12), and Charlie ($15) ask that their winnings be given to Darrel. All I will say to Darrel and in public is that $37 were given to Darrell.

Transfers may be done only at the close of the game, whenever that is.



Oh, boo, hiss. You're trying to turn us all into lying money whores with stuff like this. I liked it better when we had clear reasons to be teammates.

You're reminding me of why we had to quit playing Monopoly in our house when we were kids..
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August 27th, 2016 at 10:56:53 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Regarding pooling winnings, let me say that anonymity is important to me. Here is what I'm thinking in terms of pooling winnings. At the end of the game, anybody may request that his/her funds be given to somebody else, which I will honor. However, I will not say who gave money to whom publicly nor to the recipient. So, a selfish player may claim to have contributed to the pool, but not actually do so, so he will not only get his own winnings but a share of the pool if the pool leader is honest.


In light of this I'm going to recuse myself from pooling, but not necessarily collusion. I may contribute to Rome's long shot, but through a separate transaction -not WizPal.
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August 27th, 2016 at 11:26:21 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Oh, boo, hiss. You're trying to turn us all into lying money whores with stuff like this.



Au contraire, mon frère. I'm just trying to get everybody to unconditionally trust each other.

I'd also like to clarify that WizPay will allow for partial transfers. For example, Adam may have won $20 but may transfer only $12 to Bob, if he wishes, and claim anything he wishes publicly or privately.

Finally, would there be any objections if at the end of round 3 I publish a count of each vote pattern? For example x people went $1-$1-$3. I will do so only with those who have voted all three times. I think that will still ensure anonymity but we'll also be able to see more details on how the game is trending.
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August 27th, 2016 at 11:29:53 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard



Finally, would there be any objections



I object that you are asking. You set the rules. No need to ask us.
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August 27th, 2016 at 11:44:38 AM permalink
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Finally, would there be any objections if at the end of round 3 I publish a count of each vote pattern? For example x people went $1-$1-$3. I will do so only with those who have voted all three times. I think that will still ensure anonymity but we'll also be able to see more details on how the game is trending.


No objections, but couldn't this potentially weaken the anonymity through pidgen holing?
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August 27th, 2016 at 12:18:52 PM permalink
My PM has been sent for round 3.

I am in for pool sharing and parlaying in a sure thing martingale ;-)
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August 27th, 2016 at 12:28:21 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

My PM has been sent for round 3.

I am in for pool sharing and parlaying in a sure thing martingale ;-)

Looks like I have been too focused on messing with OD, I didn't realize round 3 had been announced.
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August 27th, 2016 at 12:28:38 PM permalink
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I unfortunately agree, I think we may need to reconsider as a team if this is going to be worthwhile to do in anticipation of some pooh pooh later on, with no way to get a firm enforceable (while not legally, but WOV enforceable) agreement together..

With that all said, I am still on board to pool my personal winnings with anyone for the Romes Parlay bet at the end. I will have no prize breakdown issues as I will continue to bid the low amount.

Let me know what everyone else thinks....



So the basis for the "team" was the assumption that Wiz would disclose the individual win amounts of each player by name? You should know him better than that. I am looking forward to the next update of who is on the "team", and what being on the "team" entails :)
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August 27th, 2016 at 12:47:31 PM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

So the basis for the "team" was the assumption that Wiz would disclose the individual win amounts of each player by name? You should know him better than that. I am looking forward to the next update of who is on the "team", and what being on the "team" entails :)



Nope...

This was my belief of the situation. Upon Wiz's receipt of a PM from the individual team members expressing their assent to enter the team agreement, thereafter he would hold all assenting team members winnings in trust for the team as a whole and thereafter distribute the whole in equal portions to all team members equally at the finality of the game. Therefore, no trust issues could possible arise and no member would have any ability to pull any funny business at the end because Wiz (as trustee essentially) would be the one to distribute the shares equally to the team members individually. In this case even if a team member submitted an improper bid, the improper bid amount would also be placed in the pool preventing and unjust benefit to that member...

This would allow us to coordinate our bids to increase each rounds EV above that of the minimum bid.

Make sense?

But all of that is a wash now because there is no guarantee that anyone will actually transfer their winnings to the team captain for distribution.
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August 27th, 2016 at 12:55:26 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

Nope...

This was my belief of the situation. Upon Wiz's receipt of a PM from the individual team members expressing their assent to enter the team agreement, thereafter he would hold all assenting team members winnings in trust for the team as a whole and thereafter distribute the whole in equal portions to all team members equally at the finality of the game. Therefore, no trust issues could possible arise and no member would have any ability to pull any funny business at the end because Wiz (as trustee essentially) would be the one to distribute the shares equally to the team members individually. In this case even if a team member submitted an improper bid, the improper bid amount would also be placed in the pool preventing and unjust benefit to that member...

This would allow us to coordinate our bids to increase each rounds EV above that of the minimum bid.

Make sense?

But all of that is a wash now because there is no guarantee that anyone will actually transfer their winnings to the team captain for distribution.



That does make sense.

Who knows, the teaming up ideas might actually improve after this.
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August 27th, 2016 at 1:49:39 PM permalink
Do you think round 3 will be a failure? Once a round is a failure, will it start a streak of failures? I say round three might be a failure because I found myself so sure it wouldn't be, too sure. Just have that feeling.
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August 27th, 2016 at 3:29:36 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

Booo, that was an amazingly appropriate and halarious meme for the situation lol.

Since I got temporarily blamed, I wish I knew what the image was. Oh well.


Quote: beachbumbabs

Yeah, I messed up. Sorry, DJTB. The warning was for mrsuit31. I had just driven 600 miles and was trying to catch up fast.

Don't worry about it.


Quote: SOOPOO

I object that you are asking. You set the rules. No need to ask us.

Ditto. Frankly, was gonna suggest something more like X have $3, ... Z have $7.
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August 27th, 2016 at 3:31:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Looks like I have been too focused on messing with OD, I didn't realize round 3 had been announced.



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August 27th, 2016 at 4:11:06 PM permalink
The payouts are simple. If we can all collectively get the Wizard to agree, then we can vote and make it so ONLY POSTS IN THIS THREAD will count as the "transfers," etc. This way PM's WON'T count and we will all be able to 100% be able to see each others decisions with full transparency. =)
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August 27th, 2016 at 4:54:10 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

The payouts are simple. If we can all collectively get the Wizard to agree, then we can vote and make it so ONLY POSTS IN THIS THREAD will count as the "transfers," etc. This way PM's WON'T count and we will all be able to 100% be able to see each others decisions with full transparency. =)



I won't agree to that. Subject to forum rules, you can say whatever you wish here. Lying, backstabbing, and cheating are part of the game. Only picks and WizPay transfers sent by PM are official.
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