Cooperation game
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Quote: AxelWolfWhile on my smart phone I only need to know the first few letters of a word, p o r r in this case.
My phone is a little different than yours. When I type those three letters in, for some reason the autocomplete immediately suggests a different word before I can get that fourth letter in.
;)
Quote: OnceDearJust to be awkward, I don't propose to pool my winnings.
I have bid $1 each of three times and will cooperate with the team, but for no sensible reason whatsoever, I'd like my wagers to just be between me and Wizard,
If that takes me out of the team, then so be it.
Me too. I thought I made it clear that as of now the money I have earned is mine, to do with as I please. I selected $1 this round to help out the team although I do not consider myself a member of the team. I sense there may be discord amongst team members when it comes time to decide what to do with the money.....
If someone was on the team but misses a round, what happens?
Can someone join the team late?
Who decides what to do with the pooled team money?
The team seems too cumbersome.....
Quote: SOOPOOI sense there may be discord amongst team members when it comes time to decide what to do with the money.....
That's pretty much my thinking. Unless pretty much all 40 are on the team, following a clear PRE-defined strategy, I believe it will end in squabbles. Squabbles that Mike won't want to get involved in and which will only complicate his payout process.
So.... Personally, I'll take my chance on the outside. I'll still divulge my bid and let the team, and other individuals, make of it what they will.
I don't think you can participate if you get nuked.Quote: OnceDearJust to be awkward, I don't propose to pool my winnings.
I have bid $1 each of three times and will cooperate with the team, but for no sensible reason whatsoever, I'd like my wagers to just be between me and Wizard,
If that takes me out of the team, then so be it.
# now 1247Quote: BozI haven't posted and followed this 100% but I also am not on Team "team". I am more interested in seeing what Mike's goals are for this and if he gets what he expected. I will not post my numbers each round but I will say I am planning of using the donation option if Mike offers it as he has said he may. I see too many issues with the team approach on agreeing what to do with the winnings and also with people not even bothering to put picks in after signing up.
LOL.Quote: mrsuit31My question is what variety of this four letter word populates. That will tell us all a lot about you lol.
I actually didn't know what he meant. I was confused for a minute until I read this.
I'm sure none of his searches start with a P probably a G or K (J/K)
Quote: AxelWolfLOL.
I actually didn't know what he meant. I was confused for a minute until I read this.
I'm sure none of his searches start with a P probably a G or K (J/K)
If you've ever seen Tosh's Happy Thoughts stand up routine, he has the same issue. Except his happens the moment he enters the letter A. When he does it autopopulates "Asian A** Por* lol (stars entered for effect)
Quote: AxelWolfI don't think you can participate if you get nuked.
Why would you think I'd get nuked. . . Unless you mean literally after President Trump starts WW3?
The trick here is to NOT try to Maximize EV, because then the outliars can hurt you when you're neck and neck between winning and losing. CONTINUE ON TEAM! STAY TRUE TO YOUR $1 BIDS!
Wishful thinking (-;Quote: OnceDearWhy would you think I'd get nuked. . . Unless you mean literally after President Trump starts WW3?
Quote: rudeboyoiI think we should strategize about picking some higher amounts or this whole experiment becomes boring if there's no chance we can't lose causing the wizard to end it sooner.
That was half my reason for picking $3 this round.
Wiz didn't say how many rounds we get, but if it doesn't get interesting it may not be many more!
I have no reason to discuss this matter further.Quote: AxelWolfWishful thinking (-;
I got booted off the list/team due an unfortunate, cough, interruption of my online activity ;-!
I have requested to SIT on some damn WAITING list, but have not rec'd a response as of yet. I'm waiting on my casino host to get back to me as well....
Good luck to all, bettors/colluders/house (Wiz).
If I'm allowed back in the game, I can bring my 'magic balls'. 2F
You don't think all these discussions are interesting? Personally, I find the confusion between the team play and parlay end game, fascinating.Quote: gamerfreakWiz didn't say how many rounds we get, but if it doesn't get interesting it may not be many more!
Quote: DJTeddyBearYou don't think all these discussions are interesting? Personally, I find the confusion between the team play and parlay end game, fascinating.
I'm not sure fascinating is the right word for it.
(Image removed for fbomb. BBB) DJTB....I know you know better. Warning.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI have no reason to discuss this matter further.
I got booted off the list/team due an unfortunate, cough, interruption of my online activity ;-!
I have requested to SIT on some damn WAITING list, but have not rec'd a response as of yet. I'm waiting on my casino host to get back to me as well....
Good luck to all, bettors/colluders/house (Wiz).
If I'm allowed back in the game, I can bring my 'magic balls'. 2F
It appears that 2F and RC are waiting on the double secret, hidden, and perhaps probationary, waiting list for the waiting list
Quote: BBB (in an edit to mrsuit31's post)(Image removed for fbomb. BBB) DJTB....I know you know better. Warning.
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BBB....I know you know better -- than to think that it was DJTB who posted that image inside mrsuit31's post.
;-)
Quote: mrsuit31I am assuming that mike will replace the non voters like he did first round...
Yes, sorry for the tardy reply to that point.
I'm going to eliminate jml24, paigowdan, and theoriemeister for not playing either round.
I shall add from the waiting list RaleighCraps and TwoFeathersATL. That means there is an opening for one more.
Round 3 player list:
- AxelWolf
- Ayecarumba
- beachbumbabs
- bigfoot66
- blount2000
- Boz
- Canyonero
- CharliePatrick
- Dalex64
- DJTeddyBear
- Doc
- doughtaker
- gamerfreak
- gordonm888
- GWAE
- HeyMrDJ
- Hunterhill
- joeman
- Joeshlabotnik
- miplet
- MrGoldenSun
- mrsuit31
- odiousgambit
- OnceDear
- onenickelmiracle
- Paradigm
- PeeMcGee
- PlayYourCardsRight
- RaleighCraps
- Romes
- RonC
- RS
- rudeboyoi
- SOOPOO
- TomG
- Torghatten
- TwoFeathersATL
- Wizardofnothing
- wudged
- ?
For example, suppose Adam ($10), Bill ($12), and Charlie ($15) ask that their winnings be given to Darrel. All I will say to Darrel and in public is that $37 were given to Darrell.
Transfers may be done only at the close of the game, whenever that is.
No need for hostility or ill will, Axel. Why would you wish me nuked? Does it offend you that I choose to play this game differently? Is it so incredibly offensive that not everyone wants to play as part of a team?Quote: AxelWolfWishful thinking (-;Quote: oncedearWhy would you think I'd get nuked.
We don't have to be on the same team, or even playing the game the same way, to be in the game and enjoying Mike's bit of mischief.
Mike's latest post about the potential for team players to doubly cheat by accepting their payment from him and then lying to the team to get a second cut have added even more spice to this game. Think of the hostility that could break out if that comes to light. I want no part of that.
That and a promise to Wiz to bid $3 on round three, which I have done ;-)
Now you can add me to the 'Team' for future rounds. 2F
Quote: OnceDearNo need for hostility or ill will, Axel. Why would you wish me nuked? Does it offend you that I choose to play this game differently? Is it so incredibly offensive that not everyone wants to play as part of a team?
We don't have to be on the same team, or even playing the game the same way, to be in the game and enjoying Mike's bit of mischief.
Mike's latest post about the potential for team players to doubly cheat by accepting their payment from him and then lying to the team to get a second cut have added even more spice to this game. Think of the hostility that could break out if that comes to light. I want no part of that.
Someone is paranoid LOL. Relax, you can't honestly think I wanted you to get nuked, I was just getting into your head(it seems to be working). I honestly didn't really care what happens, who wins what or how this turns out. It's just a game. People thought I was taking it seriously, exactly what I wanted them to think. Hell, I almost gave my spot to 2f so he would quit crying, until 3 spots open. There is way more important stuff to worry about and I have faith people will keep pecking away at Mike's 2.4 million.
LOL I was writing what I said before you yourself posted about your whining/crying . I was going to give you my spot since you seemed to be all upset you couldn't participate, as if you got kicked out of the clubhouse or something.Quote: TwoFeathersATLOK, so me whining a couple times got me back in the game.
That and a promise to Wiz to bid $3 on round three, which I have done ;-)
Now you can add me to the 'Team' for future rounds. 2F
You crack me up with your insecurities or whatever you want to call it.
Quote: AxelWolfSomeone is paranoid LOL. Relax, you can't honestly think I wanted you to get nuked, I was just getting into your head(it seems to be working). ...
There is way more important stuff to worry about and I have faith people will keep pecking away at Mike's 2.4 million.
Yayyyy. That's the spirit. You were way inside my head, thoroughly mind f'king messing with me. I appreciate that!
Mischief is all part of the game.
Now, let's see if we can collectively dupe Mike into feeling his fortune is safe and have him put it all up for grabs.
Quote: IndyJeffreyI am interested in participating. Thank you,
Okay, you're #40. Welcome.
As a reminder, round 3 picks are due 9:00 AM Vegas time tomorrow. 12 players have yet to submit a round 3 pick.
Quote: mrsuit31I'm not sure fascinating is the right word for it.
(Image removed for fbomb. BBB) DJTB....I know you know better. Warning.
Booo, that was an amazingly appropriate and halarious meme for the situation lol.
Quote: WizardTransfers may be done only at the close of the game, whenever that is.
I see what your doing here. This is going to make things rather interesting.
Quote: mrsuit31I see what your doing here. This is going to make things rather interesting.
Haha he could announce game 5 will start in 18 months.
Quote: GWAEHaha he could announce game 5 will start in 18 months.
Not necessarily what I meant... Now with the "at the end only" rule. Any person on the team who has a larger personal winnings amount can completely back stab the team at the end, regardless of any agreement between us.
For example a, b and c are a team who have a pool agreement in place. Let's say the last round (with a wide spread from low to high bid of 5-500), a, b and c agree to a bid structure of a and b bidding 5 and c 500, for a nice pool winnings of 510 for the team ($170 each). Now, notwithstanding the existing agreement between the three, C can back out and keep the 500 winning bid for himself and screw a and b if he so chooses before the payout stage. If a, b and c could have submitted an agreement to the president (wiz) prior to payout stage, as I had proposed, no backstabbing could take place as a result of greed when seeing the high amount one could steal from the team. Now, this new rule by the Wiz specifically allows this to happen, which I believe is the purpose of the experiment...
Another scenario this allows for is that a few of the team members can deviate from the low bid designation by the team and place the higher bid and hope that the buffer will allow us to still win... At the end, that player can still "honor" (deceivingly) the pool agreement and only have the wiz transfer the lower designated bid amount he was supposed to bid, to the pool while keeping the excess made by dishonoring the bid structure for himself without anyone knowing. If we hadn't lost due to the dishonored bid, no one would have any idea that said person made a significant amount of money more than his unknowing teammates. Except for the wiz.
Sneaky Wiz, Sneaky....
Quote: mrsuit31Not necessarily what I meant... Now with the "at the end only" rule. Any person on the team who has a larger personal winnings amount can completely back stab the team at the end, regardless of any agreement between us.
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Now, this new rule by the Wiz specifically allows this to happen, which I believe is the purpose of the experiment...
This is now looking like an unfolding disaster.
We are effectively playing a game of 'Cheat' where anarchy and deception are part and parcel of the rules of the game. But what when team members actively deceive and rob eachother of real $$$? Anti-welching rules will go out of the window. Wixard won't be able to arbitrate because of his stated insistence on confidentiality. And of course he is only party to individual wagers with members. He's not party to any disputes between them, but he is probably going to be in the know as to who any welchers are.
There will be tears, if not blood on the walls.
Quote: OnceDearThis is now looking like an unfolding disaster.
.........
There will be tears, if not blood on the walls.
I unfortunately agree, I think we may need to reconsider as a team if this is going to be worthwhile to do in anticipation of some pooh pooh later on, with no way to get a firm enforceable (while not legally, but WOV enforceable) agreement together..
With that all said, I am still on board to pool my personal winnings with anyone for the Romes Parlay bet at the end. I will have no prize breakdown issues as I will continue to bid the low amount.
Let me know what everyone else thinks....
Quote: DocBBB....I know you know better -- than to think that it was DJTB who posted that image inside mrsuit31's post.
;-)
Yeah, I messed up. Sorry, DJTB. The warning was for mrsuit31. I had just driven 600 miles and was trying to catch up fast.
Quote: WizardRegarding pooling winnings, let me say that anonymity is important to me. Here is what I'm thinking in terms of pooling winnings. At the end of the game, anybody may request that his/her funds be given to somebody else, which I will honor. However, I will not say who gave money to whom publicly nor to the recipient. So, a selfish player may claim to have contributed to the pool, but not actually do so, so he will not only get his own winnings but a share of the pool if the pool leader is honest.
For example, suppose Adam ($10), Bill ($12), and Charlie ($15) ask that their winnings be given to Darrel. All I will say to Darrel and in public is that $37 were given to Darrell.
Transfers may be done only at the close of the game, whenever that is.
Oh, boo, hiss. You're trying to turn us all into lying money whores with stuff like this. I liked it better when we had clear reasons to be teammates.
You're reminding me of why we had to quit playing Monopoly in our house when we were kids..
Quote: WizardRegarding pooling winnings, let me say that anonymity is important to me. Here is what I'm thinking in terms of pooling winnings. At the end of the game, anybody may request that his/her funds be given to somebody else, which I will honor. However, I will not say who gave money to whom publicly nor to the recipient. So, a selfish player may claim to have contributed to the pool, but not actually do so, so he will not only get his own winnings but a share of the pool if the pool leader is honest.
In light of this I'm going to recuse myself from pooling, but not necessarily collusion. I may contribute to Rome's long shot, but through a separate transaction -not WizPal.
Quote: beachbumbabsOh, boo, hiss. You're trying to turn us all into lying money whores with stuff like this.
Au contraire, mon frère. I'm just trying to get everybody to unconditionally trust each other.
I'd also like to clarify that WizPay will allow for partial transfers. For example, Adam may have won $20 but may transfer only $12 to Bob, if he wishes, and claim anything he wishes publicly or privately.
Finally, would there be any objections if at the end of round 3 I publish a count of each vote pattern? For example x people went $1-$1-$3. I will do so only with those who have voted all three times. I think that will still ensure anonymity but we'll also be able to see more details on how the game is trending.
Quote: Wizard
Finally, would there be any objections
I object that you are asking. You set the rules. No need to ask us.
Quote: WizardFinally, would there be any objections if at the end of round 3 I publish a count of each vote pattern? For example x people went $1-$1-$3. I will do so only with those who have voted all three times. I think that will still ensure anonymity but we'll also be able to see more details on how the game is trending.
No objections, but couldn't this potentially weaken the anonymity through pidgen holing?
I am in for pool sharing and parlaying in a sure thing martingale ;-)
Looks like I have been too focused on messing with OD, I didn't realize round 3 had been announced.Quote: RaleighCrapsMy PM has been sent for round 3.
I am in for pool sharing and parlaying in a sure thing martingale ;-)
Quote: mrsuit31I unfortunately agree, I think we may need to reconsider as a team if this is going to be worthwhile to do in anticipation of some pooh pooh later on, with no way to get a firm enforceable (while not legally, but WOV enforceable) agreement together..
With that all said, I am still on board to pool my personal winnings with anyone for the Romes Parlay bet at the end. I will have no prize breakdown issues as I will continue to bid the low amount.
Let me know what everyone else thinks....
So the basis for the "team" was the assumption that Wiz would disclose the individual win amounts of each player by name? You should know him better than that. I am looking forward to the next update of who is on the "team", and what being on the "team" entails :)
Quote: CanyoneroSo the basis for the "team" was the assumption that Wiz would disclose the individual win amounts of each player by name? You should know him better than that. I am looking forward to the next update of who is on the "team", and what being on the "team" entails :)
Nope...
This was my belief of the situation. Upon Wiz's receipt of a PM from the individual team members expressing their assent to enter the team agreement, thereafter he would hold all assenting team members winnings in trust for the team as a whole and thereafter distribute the whole in equal portions to all team members equally at the finality of the game. Therefore, no trust issues could possible arise and no member would have any ability to pull any funny business at the end because Wiz (as trustee essentially) would be the one to distribute the shares equally to the team members individually. In this case even if a team member submitted an improper bid, the improper bid amount would also be placed in the pool preventing and unjust benefit to that member...
This would allow us to coordinate our bids to increase each rounds EV above that of the minimum bid.
Make sense?
But all of that is a wash now because there is no guarantee that anyone will actually transfer their winnings to the team captain for distribution.
Quote: mrsuit31Nope...
This was my belief of the situation. Upon Wiz's receipt of a PM from the individual team members expressing their assent to enter the team agreement, thereafter he would hold all assenting team members winnings in trust for the team as a whole and thereafter distribute the whole in equal portions to all team members equally at the finality of the game. Therefore, no trust issues could possible arise and no member would have any ability to pull any funny business at the end because Wiz (as trustee essentially) would be the one to distribute the shares equally to the team members individually. In this case even if a team member submitted an improper bid, the improper bid amount would also be placed in the pool preventing and unjust benefit to that member...
This would allow us to coordinate our bids to increase each rounds EV above that of the minimum bid.
Make sense?
But all of that is a wash now because there is no guarantee that anyone will actually transfer their winnings to the team captain for distribution.
That does make sense.
Who knows, the teaming up ideas might actually improve after this.
Since I got temporarily blamed, I wish I knew what the image was. Oh well.Quote: mrsuit31Booo, that was an amazingly appropriate and halarious meme for the situation lol.
Don't worry about it.Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, I messed up. Sorry, DJTB. The warning was for mrsuit31. I had just driven 600 miles and was trying to catch up fast.
Ditto. Frankly, was gonna suggest something more like X have $3, ... Z have $7.Quote: SOOPOOI object that you are asking. You set the rules. No need to ask us.
Quote: AxelWolfLooks like I have been too focused on messing with OD, I didn't realize round 3 had been announced.
It was announced on Thursday morning. You have until 9:00 AM Sunday. I'm still waiting on 8 picks.
Quote: RomesThe payouts are simple. If we can all collectively get the Wizard to agree, then we can vote and make it so ONLY POSTS IN THIS THREAD will count as the "transfers," etc. This way PM's WON'T count and we will all be able to 100% be able to see each others decisions with full transparency. =)
I won't agree to that. Subject to forum rules, you can say whatever you wish here. Lying, backstabbing, and cheating are part of the game. Only picks and WizPay transfers sent by PM are official.
