Cooperation game
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I third the motion.Quote: RaleighCrapsThat is one hell of an idea Romes. I second that motion.
And If I secretly ruled this place ( with permission from Wiz of course ), that would be the end of discussion.
So I assume we will talk some more, alot more.
<edit> I posted that in a hurry, trying to be timely ;-)
But had more to say, and I type slow.....
I'm up for a pool, details have NOT been clarified yet, but I'm willing to go with the flow so to speak.
For the record, at some point I determined mathematically that I had to be the lowest $ winner in the game, with the single exception that RaleighCraps could be a tie. I didn't save those notes ;-)
Also for the record, I bid low every round, or tried to, with the exception of round #3 where I promised the Wiz that I'd go high if he'd just let me back in the effing game! I did hint that I was going high several other rounds, but I did not lie. A couple of people knew in advance of my picks 'in advance'. At least a couple others suspected. There may have been more 'cooperation' in the game than appears on the surface to the casual observer.
Big thanks to the Wizard, all a very cool deal....
I vote for Wiz to be given an equal slice of the community wager pool.
I am hoping the Wiz lends his football knowledge to the effort and we take advantage of a 1/2 parlay card or single game consecutive week football picks. It would be awesome to have several hundred community dollars bet on a single game....the thread posts during the progress of the game(s) would make for epic entertainment.
Ha exactly... How entertaining will that game or a couple games for the parlay will be, knowing everyone else is watching and screaming at their TV? =PQuote: ParadigmI have PM'd Wiz to transfer my $7 to the Romes pool, guess I should have gone with my original "high" vote for Round #8.
I vote for Wiz to be given an equal slice of the community wager pool.
I am hoping the Wiz lends his football knowledge to the effort and we take advantage of a 1/2 parlay card or single game consecutive week football picks. It would be awesome to have several hundred community dollars bet on a single game....the thread posts during the progress of the game(s) would make for epic entertainment.
If it so pleases the court (Mike) could we elect to transfer our winnings to the "Parlay Pool" and hold them in escrow? I doubt anyone will object to you getting an even slice of the pie so you're in on the action too! If need be I will accept all of the transfers and place the bet(s) we all agree on myself... Just trying to get everything pooled together for the time being.
Quote: ParadigmI have PM'd Wiz to transfer my $7 to the Romes pool, guess I should have gone with my original "high" vote for Round #8.
I vote for Wiz to be given an equal slice of the community wager pool.
I am hoping the Wiz lends his football knowledge to the effort and we take advantage of a 1/2 parlay card or single game consecutive week football picks. It would be awesome to have several hundred community dollars bet on a single game....the thread posts during the progress of the game(s) would make for epic entertainment.
I agree with the share to mike and don't care what the wager is. I will PM the Wiz to transfer my $16 to Romes momentarily. Romes, Why don't you start that other thread with the amounts transferred to you when they start flowing in.
Good work all!
Edit: sorry Romes, we were typing at the same time. You are unfortunately my fiduciary now for $16, DONT FK IT UP!!! lol
Quote: DocAnd which would you use for the word "cite"? (without creating confusion)
Ok good point,lets eliminate the letter k instead.
My history (r2) 3d $1 (r3) 4s $3 (r4) 4h $1 (r5) Kh $1 (r6) 5d $1 (r7) 7d $1 (r8) $10 - all picked totally randomly s=Hi h/d=Lo c=re-pick.
Quote: note to wizard, but edited as I forgot we lost one of the roundsI am very surprised we won the last round (and of course that my lucky pack of cards P=1/3 meant that I had bid high).
I'll be busy for the next few weeks so might not see some of the fun people have with the pool betting. Therefore please could I collect the "lucky" $10 but leave the rest to go into the common pool. If it wins please split it three ways (a) your charity (b) yourself (c) (rounded down) me - that way if it's still going I still have a personal interest in the team winning.
Thanks for organising the game.
Charlie
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The random card was three of spades so I've picked high.
charlie, please read the rules of the thread then decide what you'd like to do... It's an all or nothing when it comes to donating as it took a group effort to actually win. So anyone who bid high shouldn't get any more than anyone who bid low. This would get out of hand if we had to figure out percentages of who's got what individual amount. We came in as a team, so we're gonna play as a team and split as a team.
Yes, you should have, so should have I.Quote: ParadigmI have PM'd Wiz to transfer my $7 to the Romes pool, guess I should have gone with my original "high" vote for Round #8.
But I do not own a crystal ball (if I did I'd be off using it and sending only taunting msgs here as posts ;-)
From my thinking, the players did a good job overall of maximizing the win, while avoiding the no win on ALMOST every single round. Good job!
Yeah, a bit of $ got left on the table.
More importantly everyone walked away a winner.
How cool is that? Unbelievable!
Pat yourselves on the back, greedy bastards and humble team players alike.
You won. It can be done.
Now I gotta go explain to Sparkles why I might want to partake in some Hookers and Blow, you know, just one last time ;-) But Honey, it's for the team.........
I'd like some to go to Mike/Charity, therefore if the rules say I can't join I hope you have fun making the selection(s) and win lots of lovely lolly. As it happens I bid low in 5 out the 7 rounds so helped the cause more than some people were assuming.Quote: Romes...rules...then decide what you'd like to do...
Quote: WizardofnothingWhat was the largest amount one by any single member
$25, by two people. Both of them went high every time and never missed a round. Here is a frequency of how many player won each amount from $1 to $25.
| Amount | Count |
|---|---|
| $1 | 1 |
| $2 | 0 |
| $3 | 0 |
| $4 | 0 |
| $5 | 0 |
| $6 | 4 |
| $7 | 3 |
| $8 | 6 |
| $9 | 1 |
| $10 | 0 |
| $11 | 3 |
| $12 | 0 |
| $13 | 1 |
| $14 | 4 |
| $15 | 2 |
| $16 | 4 |
| $17 | 1 |
| $18 | 0 |
| $19 | 1 |
| $20 | 1 |
| $21 | 0 |
| $22 | 3 |
| $23 | 2 |
| $24 | 0 |
| $25 | 2 |
Quote: ParadigmRomes...you should expect $8 not $7 from Wizpay on my behalf...I miscounted...never was very good with numbers, I tell my clients that all the time ;-)
Someone forgot he won $2 last round instead of $1...........
Well I'd say if the remainder is to go to Mike or Charity this should of course be considered. Thanks for bringing up a scenario I hadn't thought of yet. That sounds fine by me. I'll update the other thread too.Quote: charliepatrickI'd like some to go to Mike/Charity, therefore if the rules say I can't join I hope you have fun making the selection(s) and win lots of lovely lolly. As it happens I bid low in 5 out the 7 rounds so helped the cause more than some people were assuming.
Quote: mrsuit31Someone forgot he won $2 last round instead of $1...........
That would be the error...
Quote: JoemanThere aren't any pairs of English words where the only difference is that one uses a "Q" and the other uses a "Z." "Q" (or "Z") is superfluous. One can replace the other in all cases and not create an ambiguity.
I'm not advocating this, I'm only suggesting that it is a logical equivalence of the previous statement.
Not to drag this on and on, but the tilde is PUNCTUATION, just like the apostrophe is in "don't" and "can't" (and we can't eliminate that because "cant" and "wont," among others, are different words without the apostrophe). My question was whether the tilde is needed to differentiate any two Spanish words from one another. If not, then we don't need it. And due to the massive difficulties many English-language word processors have in writing it (including here), eliminating it altogether would seem to be a valuable step. After all, would anybody be confused if I wrote "manana"?
Now, here's one thing that just occurred to me: the tilde may be necessary to differentiate a Spanish word from an English word that is spelled identically. I was thinking of "canon."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/one-spanish-letter-changes-these-words_us_560466ece4b00310edfab1bb
Oh hell...I quoted the Huffington Post...
Quote: RonC"When you replace an “ñ” with “n”, you can completely change the meaning of certain Spanish words and names. Oftentimes, those little swaps can be the difference between expressing a sweet sentiment and making a total fool of yourself. But don’t just take our word for it, see for yourself."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/one-spanish-letter-changes-these-words_us_560466ece4b00310edfab1bb
Oh hell...I quoted the Huffington Post...
Well, great, that answers my question--thanks!
And the Huffington Post DOES contain some interesting and truthful stuff, which gives it two legs up on Fox "News"...
Quote: JoemanActually, 'ñ' is a completely separate letter from 'n.' It's not an 'n' "with punctuation."
Correct. And it's pronounced "enyā". The "n" is pronounced "enā".
Same goes for "L" and "LL".
Nice! Be sure to check out the other thread "WE WON - Cooperation Game Results" and make sure you agree with all of the terms in there, then transfer the money via WizPay. Welcome to the team =).Quote: beachbumbabsI voted low each time, so $8 to the pool. Congrats, team!
Quote: Wizard
Pick Count Percent $2 24 63.2% $10 14 36.8% Total 38 100.0%
I'll post more analysis later.
Yayyyy. Well done us !!!!!
Max possible take for the round = 20*2+18*10 = 220.
Actual take = 24x2+14x10=188
Percentage achieved=188/220=85.45%
We couldn't have done much better short of being 1 player with 39 sock puppets.
Sincerest thanks to Mike for this free-roll and for this fun thread. I would have staked my bankroll on at least one suspension along the way, so double well done.
I really look forward to Mike's analysis of the results. He's in a position to know who played mind games, bid not as declared etc. Of course he will be careful not to reveal anything that could be used to reveal confidences, but I'd love to know what proportion of us played mind games.
Anyone want to confess to anything?
Dumbass comment redactedQuote: beachbumbabsI voted low each time, so $8 to the pool. Congrats, team!
Thanks for the low bids.
Doh!Quote: JoemanDon't forget Round 8 low bid was $2.
The shame, the shame.
Quote: OnceDearDoh!
The shame, the shame.
Yes, this board is no place to make any sort of foo pah. It will not go unnoticed. ;-)
Quote: RaleighCrapsYes, this board is no place to make any sort of foo pah. It will not go unnoticed. ;-)
Or even a faux pas? Sorry, usually I spank down the grammar queen in me but that was an opening big enough for a beer truck. Lol...
Quote: beachbumbabsOr even a faux pas? Sorry, usually I spank down the grammar queen in me but that was an opening big enough for a beer truck. Lol...
There you go throwing french at me......
I was going to go with " on this bored", but I thought that was overkill. :-)
Quote: JoeshlabotnikYes, of course, but are there any pairs of Spanish words where the only difference is that one uses the regular n and the other uses the tilde-n? If not, then the tilde is superfluous.
ano = anus
año = year
Let's start with YOU and 2F confessing you're a dirty rotten scoundrels and go from there.Quote: OnceDear
Anyone want to confess to anything?
I'll confess I had a very small part in losing the round we did lose. However I didn't bid high. And I explained to Mike why I did what I did. Honestly I think losing that round helped on later rounds.
Quote: GWAEWizard, are you going to do a write up or explain at all the purpose for the game? I would be interested in your analysis. Also what was going through your mind reading the lies.
I'll answer such questions in due time. Things are a bit busy in the Emerald City suddenly. Working on a big new project I'll address separately soon, plus my other duties.
Don't get your hopes up for any brilliant answers. The very short answer is I love game shows, especially ones that have some kind of moral component. A great example is Friend or Foe (or Golden Balls in the UK). I think the average human is torn between maximizing happiness for himself and for the greater society. Of course, few of us are exactly "average," so the choice is easier for those on the tails of the bull curve. So, briefly, I wanted to put you guys to the test and see what happened. I hope you found it as interesting as I did. I'll write more about why I did it and my thoughts after a bit later.
Quote: Wizard... for those on the tails of the bull curve.
Love it!
Wild guess.Quote: WizardI'll answer such questions in due time. Things are a bit busy in the Emerald City suddenly. Working on a big new project I'll address separately soon, plus my other duties.
Don't get your hopes up for any brilliant answers. The very short answer is I love game shows, especially ones that have some kind of moral component. A great example is Friend or Foe (or Golden Balls in the UK). I think the average human is torn between maximizing happiness for himself and for the greater society. Of course, few of us are exactly "average," so the choice is easier for those on the tails of the bull curve. So, briefly, I wanted to put you guys to the test and see what happened. I hope you found it as interesting as I did. I'll write more about why I did it and my thoughts after a bit later.
"big new project"
Does it have anything to do with skill gaming?
During round 7, when people were trying to plan for round 8... that's where things got interesting. Captain Romes himself on page 70 of this thread suggested a "bid high" team, which a few other people enthusiastically jumped on board with. Then there's the spinoff thread to deal with just planning for round 8, and based on the wording of the original proposal in that side thread, I honestly believed that the best of chance of that proposal being successful was to utilize Romes' "bid high" team plan. So everything suggested to me that I should prepare to go high on round 8, and that I should get online early to place that bid.
Fast forward to Saturday morning, a little before 10:30 am Vegas time. Round 8 options are offered, and I don't see any comments suggesting that the "bid high" team plan is off. So I went ahead and put in my $10 bid. A few minutes after that mrsuit31 posts that he also went with $10. So I thought I was correctly following the team plan in going high on the final round. Whether that move was actually correct or not, doesn't matter to me now that the game has ended.
I want to thank Mike for offering up this freeroll and interesting experiment. Now I need to go do whatever it is that has to be done to contribute my $16 of winnings into the Romes parlay pool.
I think they will make good use of the $25 :-)
Quote: HeyMrDJWizard, please donate all my winnings to Doctors without borders, as I said in pick 1.
I think they will make good use of the $25 :-)
He won't do anything without a pm. Your writing this here doesn't get it taken care of. (Paraphrasing him from earlier)
Ok, goes back a couple days.Quote: beachbumbabsDid you read any of this thread the last 3 days before you bid high? I just don't get you sometimes, 2f. The available high bids were at -1 already, best as can be deduced. So now it's at least -2 with your bid. I thought you wanted to be on the pool team, where your (essential ) low bid would average to higher?
'Getting me' is a complicated process, and prolly not worth the effort.
'Best as can be deduced' could have been dueced better. I should have gone high, we'd have another $8 in the new swimmin' pool and I would have doubled my individual winnings. But I was ducking too...
Sorry we missed you in June, I could have taught you how to fish, or surf ;-)
Quote: HeyMrDJWizard, please donate all my winnings to Doctors without borders, as I said in pick 1.
I think they will make good use of the $25 :-)
$25 means one of the "Go Big or Go Home" players has self revealed. Would the other like to step forward as well? I am curious about the thinking behind their bidding. Were they confident there would be enough low bids, or did they just not care?
PM The Wizard and he'll take care of it. Then follow the new thread about the team and throw any ideas/aspirations you have in to the ring there!Quote: doughtaker...I want to thank Mike for offering up this freeroll and interesting experiment. Now I need to go do whatever it is that has to be done to contribute my $16 of winnings into the Romes parlay pool.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/big-wins/26932-we-won-cooperation-game-reuslts/
Quote: Ayecarumba$25 means one of the "Go Big or Go Home" players has self revealed. Would the other like to step forward as well? I am curious about the thinking behind their bidding. Were they confident there would be enough low bids, or did they just not care?
I did care, but for me, I wanted to maximise my EV. In this game, the only way to do this is to go high. In the UK game show Golden Balls (youtube it, it's a great concept of deception and people skills) the only way to play the last game is to steal the prize money at the end when you either win 100% or 0% of the prize money. Because we had a few rounds where the smaller amount was less than 50% of the higher amount it became a clear opportunity to go for the higher amount.
I am happy for Mike to confirm that all of my prize money has been donated to charity, so nobody can accuse me of greed. Had the thread chatter gone differently I would have adjusted my bid accordingly but you guys made it too easy for me to be confident that going high was the best play. I think the game was a "Game Theory 101" type situation and I played it "Game Theory Optimal", I won almost the maximum that was on the table (we missed one round, right?), nobody won more than me and I won more than 3x some players.
Quote: HeyMrDJI did care, but for me, I wanted to maximise my EV. In this game, the only way to do this is to go high. In the UK game show Golden Balls (youtube it, it's a great concept of deception and people skills) the only way to play the last game is to steal the prize money at the end when you either win 100% or 0% of the prize money. Because we had a few rounds where the smaller amount was less than 50% of the higher amount it became a clear opportunity to go for the higher amount.
I am happy for Mike to confirm that all of my prize money has been donated to charity, so nobody can accuse me of greed. Had the thread chatter gone differently I would have adjusted my bid accordingly but you guys made it too easy for me to be confident that going high was the best play. I think the game was a "Game Theory 101" type situation and I played it "Game Theory Optimal", I won almost the maximum that was on the table (we missed one round, right?), nobody won more than me and I won more than 3x some players.
Yeah, I get that. But I'm not fond of the lessons learned here. A game of cooperation, but you acted alone, without (i think - not gonna read.back, but if you did tell us each round i missed it, sorry) even the courtesy or what seems common good of telling us you bid high so we can offset you each round.
It's also, on its face, a team game, but part of the reason we didn't take Mike for the maximum is your non-communication. You were playing against us as well as against him, in some ways helping him. I don't get that, which probably means I'll never win Survivor. .. wasn't holding my breath anyway ...
So while you may not be greedy, I'm not impressed with the gloating over how much you made while making the team over - compensate for you. Would have cost you nothing to speak up, but it cost us money that you didn't.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, I get that. But I'm not fond of the lessons learned here. A game of cooperation, but you acted alone, without (i think - not gonna read.back, but if you did tell us each round i missed it, sorry) even the courtesy or what seems common good of telling us you bid high so we can offset you each round.
It's also, on its face, a team game, but part of the reason we didn't take Mike for the maximum is your non-communication. You were playing against us as well as against him, in some ways helping him. I don't get that, which probably means I'll never win Survivor. .. wasn't holding my breath anyway ...
So while you may not be greedy, I'm not impressed with the gloating over how much you made while making the team over - compensate for you. Would have cost you nothing to speak up, but it cost us money that you didn't.
I read the rules in the OP. There was nothing in there saying I needed to co-operate or post my picks. In fact, I went out of my way not to post. If everyone posted the results and there was no drama, Mike may as well just said "Here's X dollars, how do you want to divvy this up"? Yeah, I gloated. I gloated that doctors without borders got $25 instead of $8. You're not impressed with that? Not sure what that says about you really....
I had a choice of going rogue or being a team with Romes... Given that I would rather crap in my hands and clap, it was an easy choice.
Now that made me laugh.Quote: HeyMrDJGiven that I would rather crap in my hands and clap, it was an easy choice.
Who peed in your Cheerios?Quote: HeyMrDJ...I had a choice of going rogue or being a team with Romes... Given that I would rather crap in my hands and clap, it was an easy choice.
Quote: RomesWho peed in your Cheerios?
You did. Thought I was pretty clear by naming you explicitly. I guess not.
Eh, that much was obvious... I just don't remember doing the peeing. Not to say I didn't offend you in some way, just that I don't recall.Quote: HeyMrDJYou did. Thought I was pretty clear by naming you explicitly. I guess not.
Someone could have multiple aliases and one bid high and one bid low.
Quote: AxelWolfSome people may not have a legitimate name or place to send the money.I would be willing to be(t) at least one person entered at least twice.
Someone could have multiple aliases and one bid high and one bid low.
My god man you are an untrusting soul!
Surely all the named players were long established members in good standing, even I recognised most of them.
A truly devious cheat could have risked posting multiple high bids.
Anyhow, I received my winnings and have now spent them :o)
