WE WON - Cooperation Game Reuslts

Okay okay... We've succumb to a massive windfall! WE WON! Now there's a few questions and things that need to get put in order... I'd like to do this as democratically as possible, since it's all of our money, but that tends to lead to indecisive decisions, delays, headaches and non fun for all involved. So let's get a few things straight:

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Team List Thus Far:

odious - Confirmed Transfer
joeman - Confirmed Transfer
romes - Confirmed Transfer
ronc - Confirmed Transfer
paradigm - Confirmed Transfer
raleighCraps - Confirmed Transfer
Mrsuit31 - Confirmed Transfer
gamerfreak - Confirmed Transfer
blout2000 - Confirmed Transfer

Total Pool Amount = $104.
***Going to * the names that have given Mike/Myself proxy voting for what to bet on. Will do that later tonight most likely.

1) Regardless of how much you individually won in the Cooperation Game, you would not have done so without the help of many of us consistently bidding low to ensure the group success. It took an equal effort from all and in that spirit REGARDLESS of how much you won individually everyone will be splitting the winnings of any and all bets made equally.

edit Was brought to my attention that charlie wants to donate $8 to the cause and then the remainder (~$10) to Mike/Charity. Unforutnately we have no way of knowing if this is the case, but in seeing the best in people and not the worse I'd like to believe him and let this type of case be okay to participate as well. I wouldn't ever want to stop someone from donating to Mike who ran the contest or to a charity cause. If others disagree then let it be known in the thread, otherwise that's that.

Mike...If you're in and up for helping control the flow of the money/pool/etc then would it be possible to let us know if someone doesn't transfer the full amount to the group and/or if the remainder did not go to you/charity?

2) Mike took a decent amount of effort/time to set this up, sift through all of the PM's, etc, etc. I proposed in the other thread, and it was well received by several posters already, that we will be giving Mike an equal share of the pie. He will ride or die with his forums! By agreeing to be part of this parlay pool you're agreeing to have Mike gain an equal share with the rest of us.

edit 3) We don't want to be EXTREMELY greedy bastards, so let's give 1 slice of the pie to charity as well! Mike suggested a food charity in Las Vegas. I know it's not local to some of you (nor myself) but this is the Wizard of Vegas site and we do all congregate around Vegas things, so I think it's a winner!

4) I wanted to put all the funds in escrow with Mike, but if everyone is okay with them being escrowed with me, then I will hold them until we decide on the bets. Since we haven't yet confirmed with Mike, PM him and say that you would like to WizPay your funds to the Parlay Pool (Romes), which will for now be me. ANYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS MUST TRANSFER ALL FUNDS FROM THE COOPERATION GAME. I mean really though, who wants to transfer $10 then keep $3 for themselves? We'll be able to tell based off the number of players and the total amount we get escrowed... We're an intelligent group, and all in this together, so let's act like it.

5) I will be in Vegas just after G2E, so the end of September and the beginning of October (about 2 weeks). I say we plan to do our bets then, and I (hopefully in the company of Mike) will place the bets... So if you're looking for 1/2 point parlays or other bets let's start looking at our options for this point in time. This should be perfect because no one is rushed this week, yet it's not too far away.

6) Only those that participated in more than 2 rounds of the game are eligible. Sorry to those eliminated early, but since you didn't participate there I don't believe it entitles you to an equal slice here. We should have somewhere around 36 people eligible to participate in the Parlay Pool.

7) Select from the options above for the actual bet(s)... If you select other, please specifiy in the thread and if it gets enough traction then we'll know what direction the group is heading. I say we finalize "what" we want to bet on (NFL probably) by the end of this week so we can start focusing on what the actual bets will be.

If I missed anything, please just post in the thread!


edit ...to cover myself/Mike in case we hit big and someone tries to get real grumpy over getting an equal share or something... We reserve the right to edit/change/etc on everything at anytime for any reason. Yes, it's a blanket T's and C's clause... Clearly we're sticking to the posted agreed upon rules above, this is just a disclaimer in case we 1/2 point parlay 1,000,000 and instead of their fair share (described above) someone wants more.

***Updates may be voted on by the group and this OP may be changed... Check back for any updates (in bold like this: edit).

As stated in the other thread, I AM IN. I already sent the PM to transfer to you. Also, I HEREBY GIVE ROMES A PROXY TO VOTE MY SHARE FOR THE SPECIFIC BET. You choose what you think is best and I'm cool with it. lets win $500 each!

Quote: Romes

1) Regardless of how much you individually won in the Cooperation Game, you would not have done so without the help of many of us consistently bidding low to ensure the group success. It took an equal effort from all and in that spirit REGARDLESS of how much you won individually g an everyone will be splitting the winnings of any and all bets made equally.

I object!! Unless someone knew before the game they would be getting an equal split that is wrong. They may have acted differently and petitioned others to act differently.

Quote: Romes

2) Mike took a decent amount of effort/time to set this up, sift through all of the PM's, etc, etc. I proposed in the other thread, and it was well received by several posters already, that we will be giving Mike an equal share of the pie. He will ride or die with his forums! By agreeing to be part of this parlay pool you're agreeing to have Mike gain an equal share with the rest of us.

Thanks Romes! I happily accept.

I'm also available to do whatever the group wants with the money. I'd suggest putting it all on half point parlay cards. That way there will be a chance to turn it into serious money, we'll have a reason to watch football that week, and if we lose, at least we don't have to fuss with payments.

Quote: Wizard

Thanks Romes! I happily accept.

I'm also available to do whatever the group wants with the money. I'd suggest putting it all on half point parlay cards. That way there will be a chance to turn it into serious money, we'll have a reason to watch football that week, and if we lose, at least we don't have to fuss with payments.

sounds good to me, I'm in

Quote: DRich

I object!! Unless someone knew before the game they would be getting an equal split that is wrong. They may have acted differently and petitioned others to act differently.

The best form of objection would be to not participate.

I, and my $6, are in. PM sent to Mike. Good luck to us all.

My vote is to bet/parlay the pool into something that pays out a minimum of $100, and much more is even better. :-D Anything less is not worth the hassle of transferring the funds (IMHO).

If there are 36 people, and we are looking to get minimum 3 figure payouts, the ticket holder is going to get a W2G. Therefore, I believe you need to create a percentage off the top to account for the tax hit.

Quote: DRich

I object!! Unless someone knew before the game they would be getting an equal split that is wrong. They may have acted differently and petitioned others to act differently.

How would they have acted differently? By voting lower? ...Perhaps that would have WON us the round we LOST instead, huh? That was my assumption the entire way, otherwise I could have bid higher as well! I think it was also mentioned we'd like to "try" to do that earlier in the thread too. Not to mention if you were bidding high to then later participate and get a higher cut then that's pretty greedy and anti-group.

Getting in to splitting by percentages/etc will be a nightmare, all for something we could end up losing. If you don't wish to participate then you clearly don't have to, but at this point I'm sticking with that.

Quote: Romes

How would they have acted differently? By voting lower? ...Perhaps that would have WON us the round we LOST instead, huh? That was my assumption the entire way, otherwise I could have bid higher as well! I think it was also mentioned we'd like to "try" to do that earlier in the thread too. Not to mention if you were bidding high to then later participate and get a higher cut then that's pretty greedy and anti-group.

Getting in to splitting by percentages/etc will be a nightmare, all for something we could end up losing. If you don't wish to participate then you clearly don't have to, but at this point I'm sticking with that.

Seconded

I am in under the stated rules and suggest a multi-week strategy. Bet one NFL game based on Wiz'/Romes collective wisdom. If we win, poll the group to see if we parlay to the next weekend. My guess is until we get to a $50+/participant type payout, the majority will want to keep pressing...but I could be wrong.

If Romes is in town for two weeks or so, that may cover up to three Sundays. That being said, I don't want this to be an administrative nightmare for either Romes or Wiz so I will wait to hear their responses.

Quote: Paradigm

I am in under the stated rules and suggest a multi-week strategy. Bet one NFL game based on Wiz'/Romes collective wisdom. If we win, poll the group to see if we parlay to the next weekend. My guess is until we get to a $50+/participant type payout, the majority will want to keep pressing...but I could be wrong.

If Romes is in town for two weeks or so, that may cover up to three Sundays. That being said, I don't want this to be an administrative nightmare for either Romes or Wiz so I will wait to hear their responses.

I think this is an excellent idea/thought moving forward... Though if we do the 1/2 point parlays and win any of them I'd assume it'll be some decent money =P (the $50/person or higher). Also, I won't be able to cover multiple weeks. I think we shoot for the gold on 1 week. As fun as this is stretching it out too long might turn in to a headache.

That being said after the first parlay if for some reason we're at like $20/person on payout, we'll definitely re-poll and ask if everyone wants to do it again... On perhaps a 1 shot ride or die bet then.

Quote: Romes

How would they have acted differently? By voting lower? ...Perhaps that would have WON us the round we LOST instead, huh? That was my assumption the entire way, otherwise I could have bid higher as well! I think it was also mentioned we'd like to "try" to do that earlier in the thread too. Not to mention if you were bidding high to then later participate and get a higher cut then that's pretty greedy and anti-group.

Getting in to splitting by percentages/etc will be a nightmare, all for something we could end up losing. If you don't wish to participate then you clearly don't have to, but at this point I'm sticking with that.

I 3rd this motion (is that even possible)...do I hear a 4th?

As I mentioned above, if you don't like the rules, no one is putting a gun to your head: Opt for Paypal from Wiz.

Romes, please don't get distracted by those that object...let's see who opts in as that will tell a lot about personal motivations. I am particularly interested to see if one or both of those $25 winners opts in to the equal split pool. Will you be posting how much you received from each pool participant?

I'd like to suggest that we create one more share for the charity. That way we can all feel better about being greedy.......

Quote: Paradigm

...Will you be posting how much you received from each pool participant?

Would have to get approval from Mike to post since he PM'd me the people and amounts, so I don't want to share a PM publicly and violate any forum rules.

That being said since Mike is on board I gave him the option to have any/all transfers to me go to him. He has ALL the numbers from the game and the transfers, so he could also help identify anyone trying to short the group (short of giving to mike or donating to charity). That's where we're at for now.

Quote: RaleighCraps

I'd like to suggest that we create one more share for the charity. That way we can all feel better about being greedy.......

A good idea that I'm on board with... Let's here if others also agree. If we get a few immediate responses from our small group right now I'll update the first post to reflect.

I vote for the charity slice of pie ;-)

I'm in! I sent in my WizPay request to transfer my $8 to Romes' Parlay Pool. I like that we're giving a share to Mike, and I would also be on board with creating a charity share.

I have a feeling the charity share is well received. I'm going to updated the OP..

FIRST POST UPDATED. PLEASE REREAD

I asked Wiz to take a WzPay and send my money to the pool.

Yes, I was selfish in the game.

Yes, I am sharing without caring about how anyone else played the game.

Quote: Paradigm

The best form of objection would be to not participate.

I did not participate. I was just looking at it objectively that one person decided that a winner should not get what was advertised.

Could you imagine how Rome would have acted if he won a drawing at the casino for $2000 while the second name drew got $1000 and the casino just decides to pay both of them $1500 instead.

I'm in for the charity option as well.

Quote: Wizard

Thanks Romes! I happily accept.

I'm also available to do whatever the group wants with the money. I'd suggest putting it all on half point parlay cards. That way there will be a chance to turn it into serious money, we'll have a reason to watch football that week, and if we lose, at least we don't have to fuss with payments.

And we could all agree on which teams to bet on? HA!

Let's all bet on the 49ers straight up with the money line against the Panthers. That way, we will indeed have some serious money if we win. And we can have ourselves some real fun when the Panthers kick a 56-yard field goal as time expires to win by two points.

I've already expressed my wishes to give my/our winnings to charity. The money, on an individual basis, may be trivial to us, but for many of the needy, $10 or $20 is a lifeline.

Quote: DRich

I did not participate. I was just looking at it objectively that one person decided that a winner should not get what was advertised.

Could you imagine how Rome would have acted if he won a drawing at the casino for $2000 while the second name drew got $1000 and the casino just decides to pay both of them $1500 instead.

Complete apples and oranges. Read my last post to your objection. There's about 100 reasons why we're sticking with the way it is in the OP, and it IS majorly agreed upon not just me.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

...I've already expressed my wishes to give my/our winnings to charity. The money, on an individual basis, may be trivial to us, but for many of the needy, $10 or $20 is a lifeline.

The OP was updated. We're giving another slice of the pie to Charity, and as it stands now the food Charity Mike brought up in the other thread. Others may or may not choose on their own at the end of the Parlay Pool to donate more/all as well.

Quote: DRich

I did not participate....

Excellent....now just click the "Block Thread" above and quit wasting our time.

I really enjoyed this game and am happy that we won most of the rounds!

I bid low in all 8 of the rounds and feel like I served as a good "worker bee" in the effort to make sure the hive won as a whole.

I PM'd the Wizard and asked him to transfer all of my winnings into the parlay pool.

I'll give Romes my proxy for choosing which bets to make.

Looking forward to seeing how the parlay pool turns out. Hope we win!

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

And we could all agree on which teams to bet on? HA!...

I believe the plan is to leave the actual bet selection to Wiz/Romes...we would never get agreement on the specific wager from all participants.

Quote: Paradigm

I believe the plan is to leave the actual bet selection to Wiz/Romes...we would never get agreement on the specific wager from all participants.

Still taking considerations and what some people want in to consideration... but you can bet that we'll be picking the most AP things with the biggest return possible ;-).

Quote: Paradigm

I believe the plan is to leave the actual bet selection to Wiz/Romes...we would never get agreement on the specific wager from all participants.

Indeed it is. If you have any problem with any proposed ideas, simply bail out. No harm no foul. A bunch of us are on board as you can see by postings Paradigm, blount, romes, myslef etc...

There is no need for objection. Your in with this team plan (and yes this is a real team finally) or your not, its now become very simple.

I'm in with my winnings - I vote that wiz/romes decide on the wager.

New team list with the new plan of pooling and giving proxy to Mike/Romes, with additional shares for Mike and Charity already expressed by Mike. If you want off, speak now or forever hold your peace. If you want in, PM mike with the transfer and Romes with the team election. Romes can thereafter add to the list publicly. Once the deed is done, its done.

Team List:

odious
joeman
romes
ronc
paradigm
raleigh
Mrsuit31


Everyone on the list cool with this?

Quote: mrsuit31

New team list with the new plan of pooling and giving proxy to Mike/Romes, with additional shares for Mike and Charity already expressed by Mike. If you want off, speak now or forever hold your peace. If you want in, PM mike with the transfer and Romes with the team election. Romes can thereafter add to the list publicly. Once the deed is done, its done.

Team List:

odious
joeman
romes
ronc
paradigm
raleigh
Mrsuit31


Everyone on the list cool with this?

I am.

Quote: mrsuit31

Everyone on the list cool with this?

I am.

Add me to the list, I put in a WizPay transaction to Romes.

Quote: Paradigm

Excellent....now just click the "Block Thread" above and quit wasting our time.

Yes, rules should only apply when they are convenient to you. Now I wish I would have participated just so I could demand my proper share.

Hopefully everybody will agree to it and it won't be an issue.

Quote: mrsuit31

...Team List:...

I will update the OP with the team list as I continue to get transfers from Mike. So far only a handful have transferred (though perhaps the PM's are sent and Mike hasn't gotten the others yet). I'll update as I get updated with who HAS transferred.

Quote: gamerfreak

Add me to the list, I put in a WizPay transaction to Romes.

Team List:

odious
joeman
romes
ronc
paradigm
raleigh
Mrsuit31
gamerfreak

Romes, Just confirm when you get the transfer. and the others on the list, including myself when you get a chance.

Quote: mrsuit31

...Romes, Just confirm when you get the transfer. and the others on the list, including myself when you get a chance.

OP UPDATED

I'll add more names and confirmations as I get them.

Quote: Romes

I will update the OP with the team list as I continue to get transfers from Mike. So far only a handful have transferred (though perhaps the PM's are sent and Mike hasn't gotten the others yet). I'll update as I get updated with who HAS transferred.

Cool, Ill pull back and let you take the reigns then. I'm heading out to MN for M$31 tomorrow morning, so ill be distracted. Wish me luck!

My $23 should be on the way to the pool...

Give it all to EvenBob to bet on his roulette system. :-)

Quote: DRich

Yes, rules should only apply when they are convenient to you. Now I wish I would have participated just so I could demand my proper share.

Hopefully everybody will agree to it and it won't be an issue.

Dude, you didn't participate in the original game, aren't participating in this Community Pool...why are you still posting here? No one here cares what you "could demand" because your opinion and vote don't matter here. Move along already.....

Quote: mrsuit31

Cool, Ill pull back and let you take the reigns then. I'm heading out to MN for M$31 tomorrow morning, so ill be distracted. Wish me luck!

Definitely good luck with M$31! Going out there to set up a demo or a full run or ?

Quote: RonC

My $23 should be on the way to the pool...

Got it.

Team List UPDATED

Quote: Romes

Definitely good luck with M$31! Going out there to set up a demo or a full run or ?

Got it.

Team List UPDATED

Way to be, RonC!

Its a little table games event. Not 100% on all of the specifics, but probably best described as a miniature cutting edge conference on a much smaller scale. We shall see... either way I'm starting to make my rounds again. Still trying to get the chance to see you and others on here sit down at the table and scream $5 winna some day...

Playing with the pool team, PM to the Wizard for WizPay, agree to the rules as set and amended to this point in time. $8.

Romes, Also be sure to update the OP to show that the people listed agreed to give you and mike a voting proxy for the bets. I didn't see that a moment ago when I looked. Also, Maybe put a total pool amount up, that may turn others to the light side. It would be cool to see the potential pot as it grows...

Good stuff Babs.

I had mentioned a few times earlier and never really had a response. I am willing to join the team but I am not sure I want to prior to knowing our bet. With people giving Romes proxies he is kinda holding all the cards. I know Romes is an AP but he may wish to bet 100% on a 2 team parlay with the biggest underdogs to win for a huge payout.

My opinion is that we should have multiple bets, kinda like a mutual fund. Say we have $200. Maybe do 4 $40 .5 parlay bets, 1 5 team parlay, and 1 "lock" single bet that could be parlayed into more bets if we strike out.

We could also fade a few of our favorite touts on here.

Btw, I think I have $23 in winnings.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Playing with the pool team, PM to the Wizard for WizPay, agree to the rules as set and amended to this point in time. $8.

Same here.

Gwae can you please let me know what that LOCK IS lol

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Gwae can you please let me know what that LOCK IS lol

I think it is the exact opposite of whatever my lock of the week is.