WoV Golden Balls Challenge
November 9th, 2012 at 10:53:41 AM
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As some of you know, I'm fascinated by the show Friend or Foe, and the UK version Golden Balls. The gist of it is a pair of players, who didn't know each other before the show, have a pool of money. They each must choosen "split" or "steal." Here is how the money is divided on the TV game shows:
If both pick "split," then they split it.
If one picks "split" and one picks "steal," then the player who chose "steal" gets all of it.
If both pick "steal," then they both get nothing.
So, I am going to be hosting my own version of the game right here, and putting up $200 in prize money to the winner(s). Here is how it will work here.
Confused? Don't be. All you need to do is choose "split" or "steal." You'll get the hang of it once we get started.
If both pick "split," then they split it.
If one picks "split" and one picks "steal," then the player who chose "steal" gets all of it.
If both pick "steal," then they both get nothing.
So, I am going to be hosting my own version of the game right here, and putting up $200 in prize money to the winner(s). Here is how it will work here.
- The entry period will be until 12:01 AM Nov 17 or until 32 entries are received, whichever happens first. Please PM me to indicate you wish to participate.
- After the entry period is closed I will randomly match players together.
- If the number of participants is not an even power of 2 then some randomly chosen players will get a "bye," and automatically advance.
- Match ups will be announced.
- Players will be encouraged to communicate with their opponents by PM.
- Each player should submit to me his/her Split or Steal decision by the specified deadline.
- If a player does not submit his decision, then the other player will automically win. If both players in a matchup forget to submit a decision, neither will advance.
- A "steal" winner will advance by himself.
- Two "split" winners will advance together as a team.
- Team players will have a team leader randomly chosen. The leader will be encouraged to take input from other team members, but in rounds playing as a team, only the leader may submit an official decision.
- If two teams both vote "share," then they will merge together as a new team.
- If a team of x players merges with a team of y players, then each member of the new team will have a share of any winnings inversely proportional to the number of people on his team before the merge. For example, if a team of 2 merges with a team of 4, then the members of the former team of 2 will each have a 25% share in the new team, and the rest a 12.5% share.
- In mixed-weighted teams, the leader will be chosen among those with the greatest share.
- The prize money will be distributed equally to all members of the winning team, if there is one.
Confused? Don't be. All you need to do is choose "split" or "steal." You'll get the hang of it once we get started.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2012 at 11:20:13 AM
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I love watching Golden Balls clips youtube. Such a fascinating game.
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November 9th, 2012 at 11:32:54 AM
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Quote: mipletI love watching Golden Balls clips youtube. Such a fascinating game.
I think I've watched all of them, many multiple times.
So far just three entrants: TIMSPEED, FinsRule, and miplet.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2012 at 11:37:04 AM
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This sounds like fun. Is the "confidential PM" forum rule suspended for this competition? Will all the results be posted? Shouldn't this be on the DT site?
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
November 9th, 2012 at 12:38:05 PM
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As this involves a game with strategy, and, untimately, a gamble, it belongs right here.Quote: AyecarumbaShouldn't this be on the DT site?
I'm in. PM sent.
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November 9th, 2012 at 1:05:14 PM
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Quote: WizardAs some of you know, I'm fascinated by the show Friend or Foe, and the UK version Golden Balls. The gist of it is a pair of players, who didn't know each other before the show, have a pool of money. They each must choosen "split" or "steal." Here is how the money is divided on the TV game shows:
If both pick "split," then they split it.
If one picks "split" and one picks "steal," then the player who chose "steal" gets all of it.
If both pick "steal," then they both get nothing.
NBC has a new version of this, called "Take It All" (you may have heard of it being developed as "White Elephant", as the first part of the game is based on the "white elephant gift exchange" game), which will air every day for a week in early December.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27:03 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaThis sounds like fun. Is the "confidential PM" forum rule suspended for this competition? Will all the results be posted? Shouldn't this be on the DT site?
Yes, all decisions will be made public, so it will be an exception to that usual policy. I think this is game and strategy related enough to belong here.
Eight particpants so far: TIMSPEED, FinsRule, miplet, thecesspit, Ayecarumba, rdw4potus, DJTeddyBear, PlayYourCardsRight
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31:41 PM
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one thing that bugs me is that if you are absolutely certain your friend/foe is going to try to steal, then there is nothing you can do that is positive EV, so to speak, so it certainly differs from rock, paper, scissors
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 9th, 2012 at 1:43:32 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitone thing that bugs me is that if you are absolutely certain your friend/foe is going to try to steal, then there is nothing you can do that is positive EV, so to speak, so it certainly differs from rock, paper, scissors
A "suicide bomber" strategy will not win it. It is unfortunate that there will be collateral damage. A lucky draw is an important element of this game.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
November 9th, 2012 at 1:53:21 PM
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The pool of money keeps growing? if so an early steal is not advantageous?
you can see I've never watched
you can see I've never watched
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 9th, 2012 at 2:02:46 PM
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Just watched a few videos on YouTube. Never heard of the show or watched it until now. I'm in.
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
November 9th, 2012 at 3:21:11 PM
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Quote: WizardYes, all decisions will be made public, so it will be an exception to that usual policy. I think this is game and strategy related enough to belong here.
Eight particpants so far: TIMSPEED, FinsRule, miplet, thecesspit, Ayecarumba, rdw4potus, DJTeddyBear, PlayYourCardsRight
Just to be very clear Wizard, will it be okay to post the contents of the "negotiation" between parties via PM, (as well as the split/steal final selection)?
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
November 9th, 2012 at 3:21:26 PM
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We now have 12: TIMSPEED, FinsRule, miplet, thecesspit, Ayecarumba, rdw4potus, DJTeddyBear, PlayYourCardsRight, odiousgambit, darnits, MakingBook, Mission146.
To help get us in the mood I woke up an old thread on the show: Friend or Foe? TV game show. I posted about how to identify a sharer and a stealer.
To help get us in the mood I woke up an old thread on the show: Friend or Foe? TV game show. I posted about how to identify a sharer and a stealer.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24:08 PM
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Now we have a baker's dozen. RC is in
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
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November 9th, 2012 at 4:30:42 PM
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SOOPOO is in.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:38:52 PM
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I'm hoping for an odd number, and to get the first round bye. I predict a train wreck/back-stabbing frenzy in the opening round, with the unopposed person, the only one left standing. Of course, if I am paired up, I will of course choos split, since getting a piece of something is better than all of nothing.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
November 9th, 2012 at 4:48:00 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitone thing that bugs me is that if you are absolutely certain your friend/foe is going to try to steal, then there is nothing you can do that is positive EV, so to speak, so it certainly differs from rock, paper, scissors
This is true. There should be a defense against someone who is intent on Steal. Call the Feds! A third option, called Fed.
| Player 1 | vs | Player 2 | Result |
|---|---|---|---|
| Steal | Steal | Both Lose | |
| Steal | Split | Plyr 1 wins All | |
| Steal | Fed | Plyr 2 wins All | |
| Split | Steal | Plyr 2 wins All | |
| Split | Split | Plyrs share win | |
| Split | Fed | Plyr 1 wins All | |
| Fed | Steal | Plyr 1 wins All | |
| Fed | Split | Plyr 2 wins All | |
| Fed | Fed | Both Lose |
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
November 9th, 2012 at 4:55:16 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaI'm hoping for an odd number, and to get the first round bye. I predict a train wreck/back-stabbing frenzy in the opening round, with the unopposed person, the only one left standing. Of course, if I am paired up, I will of course choos split, since getting a piece of something is better than all of nothing.
This thread has the potential to do more damage than what the HBC thread did. LOL
Suspensions, Vitirol, and friends backstabbing friends. Should be an interesting end to 2012!
Of course, I too am going to vote Split all the way. After all, I am guaranteed to be +EV.
Let me also be the first to say, should any winnings come my way, I will ask that Wiz donates my share to the charity of his choice.
So remember this as we play, if you wish to steal from me, you are stealing from a charity!
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26:10 PM
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No doubt that especially early, you have to go split... You can't win anything in the first round, but you can get bounced out. You have to survive round 1 in order to win the game. Very silly to even do anything in the first round except that.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:23:20 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOSOOPOO is in.
You're supposed to PM your entries, but I'll take that anyway, and RC's.
However, I will absolutely not accept split/steal declarations in the forum. They must be by PM. However, it is perfectly allowed to say whatever you want in the forum, it will just count as banter, which is part of the game.
We have 17 now. I think I'll close it off early and get started if we get to 32, which is a nice power of 2.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2012 at 7:00:57 PM
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19 so far: TIMSPEED, FinsRule, miplet, thecesspit, Ayecarumba, rdw4potus, DJTeddyBear, PlayYourCardsRight, odiousgambit, darnits, MakingBook, Mission146, MonkeyMonkey, JohnnyQ, strictlyAP, RaleighCraps, SOOPOO, mwalz9, vendman1.
I will be closing this off early if I get to 32. We have to get FrG to play.
I will be closing this off early if I get to 32. We have to get FrG to play.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2012 at 7:22:39 PM
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In the prisoner's dilemma, two people who don't co-operate got something better than some who was betrayed.
To me, anyone betraying in Round 1 shouldn't be trusted in round 2. Problem is... what you going to do? You can only eliminate them by stealing... and if they decide to keep their stealing up... you both lose.
To me, anyone betraying in Round 1 shouldn't be trusted in round 2. Problem is... what you going to do? You can only eliminate them by stealing... and if they decide to keep their stealing up... you both lose.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
November 10th, 2012 at 12:49:11 AM
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Quote: WizardIf the number of participants is not an even power of 2 then some randomly chosen players will get a "bye," and automatically advance.
I assume that it's possible for no one to advance from a matchup (if they both choose "steal"). So, why the powers of 2? Are you going to give people automatic later-round byes if the no one advanced from the other side of the ladder?
IMO it would be more fair to constantly (randomly) reseed and give no more than one person/team a bye each round. Otherwise one person might have to play every round while someone else might get several byes in a row. Also, it accommodates any number of players (there is no advantage to a power of 2)
I'm in, BTW (I'll PM as well)
November 10th, 2012 at 6:33:45 AM
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I'll do my best to be fair with the byes. Nobody will get two until everybody has had at least one.
We have 25 so far. Just 7 more and we can get started.
Entrants thus far: TIMSPEED, AxiomOfChoice, Ayecarumba, CrystalMath, darnits, DJTeddyBear, EdCollins, FinsRule, JohnnyQ, MakingBook, miplet, Mission146, MonkeyMonkey, mwalz9, odiousgambit, paisiello, PlayYourCardsRight, rainman, RaleighCraps, rdw4potus, SOOPOO, strictlyAP, thecesspit, vendman1, winmonkeyspit3
We have 25 so far. Just 7 more and we can get started.
Entrants thus far: TIMSPEED, AxiomOfChoice, Ayecarumba, CrystalMath, darnits, DJTeddyBear, EdCollins, FinsRule, JohnnyQ, MakingBook, miplet, Mission146, MonkeyMonkey, mwalz9, odiousgambit, paisiello, PlayYourCardsRight, rainman, RaleighCraps, rdw4potus, SOOPOO, strictlyAP, thecesspit, vendman1, winmonkeyspit3
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 10th, 2012 at 9:12:15 AM
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I would enter, but after my heart attack, I have decided to BYPASS high stakes gambling for the time being.
GOOD LUCK, EVERYBODY !
GOOD LUCK, EVERYBODY !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 10th, 2012 at 11:03:58 AM
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Quote: RaleighCraps... There should be a defense against someone who is intent on Steal. Call the Feds! A third option, called Fed.
Player 1 vs Player 2 Result Steal Steal Both Lose Steal Split Plyr 1 wins All Steal Fed Plyr 2 wins All Split Steal Plyr 2 wins All Split Split Plyrs share win Split Fed Plyr 1 wins All Fed Steal Plyr 1 wins All Fed Split Plyr 2 wins All Fed Fed Both Lose
Hmmm....
That does seem to solve the problem, without introducing any new problems. That is if you ignore that you're changing the game....
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November 10th, 2012 at 11:53:32 AM
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We're at 31, so need just one more to get started.
Here is who we have now: avargov, AxiomOfChoice, Ayecarumba, bigfoot66, CrystalMath, darnits, DJTeddyBear, EdCollins, FinsRule, JohnnyQ, MakingBook, MidwestAP, miplet, Mission146, MonkeyMonkey, mwalz9, odiousgambit, paisiello, PlayYourCardsRight, rainman, RaleighCraps, rdw4potus, ShiftyRicky, slyther, SOOPOO, strictlyAP, thecesspit, TIMSPEED, vendman1, winmonkeyspit3, WongBo
I was really hoping FrG would play, but he hasn't responded to my PM. Next person to PM me is in.
Here is who we have now: avargov, AxiomOfChoice, Ayecarumba, bigfoot66, CrystalMath, darnits, DJTeddyBear, EdCollins, FinsRule, JohnnyQ, MakingBook, MidwestAP, miplet, Mission146, MonkeyMonkey, mwalz9, odiousgambit, paisiello, PlayYourCardsRight, rainman, RaleighCraps, rdw4potus, ShiftyRicky, slyther, SOOPOO, strictlyAP, thecesspit, TIMSPEED, vendman1, winmonkeyspit3, WongBo
I was really hoping FrG would play, but he hasn't responded to my PM. Next person to PM me is in.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 10th, 2012 at 12:21:15 PM
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I've never tried this, so I don't know if it works or not: is there a way to send a PM to more than one person? does a comma or semicolon separator allow multiple recipients? We might end up with a lot of groupwork here, and the communications could get pretty complex pretty quickly.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
November 10th, 2012 at 1:48:26 PM
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Let the game begin!
Here are the round 1 matches:
JohnnyQ vs. paisiello
AxiomOfChoice vs. PlayYourCardsRight
CrystalMath vs. avargov
darnits vs. miplet
DJTeddyBear vs. MonkeyMonkey
FinsRule vs. Mission146
MidwestAP vs. SOOPOO
mwalz9 vs. vendman1
odiousgambit vs. strictlyAP
rainman vs. slyther
RaleighCraps vs. Ayecarumba
rdw4potus vs. EdCollins
rebelaccountant vs. TIMSPEED
ShiftyRicky vs. bigfoot66
thecesspit vs. WongBo
winmonkeyspit3 vs. MakingBook
Deadline to PM your round 1 choices is 8:01 AM (Pacific time) Nov 13. Now, go discuss amongst yourselves how fair it would be for all of you to simple choose "share."
Here are the round 1 matches:
JohnnyQ vs. paisiello
AxiomOfChoice vs. PlayYourCardsRight
CrystalMath vs. avargov
darnits vs. miplet
DJTeddyBear vs. MonkeyMonkey
FinsRule vs. Mission146
MidwestAP vs. SOOPOO
mwalz9 vs. vendman1
odiousgambit vs. strictlyAP
rainman vs. slyther
RaleighCraps vs. Ayecarumba
rdw4potus vs. EdCollins
rebelaccountant vs. TIMSPEED
ShiftyRicky vs. bigfoot66
thecesspit vs. WongBo
winmonkeyspit3 vs. MakingBook
Deadline to PM your round 1 choices is 8:01 AM (Pacific time) Nov 13. Now, go discuss amongst yourselves how fair it would be for all of you to simple choose "share."
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 10th, 2012 at 3:32:25 PM
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So if both players steal then both are eliminated?
Vote for Nobody 2020!
November 10th, 2012 at 5:03:11 PM
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Quote: WizardLet the game begin!
Here are the round 1 matches:
JohnnyQ vs. paisiello
AxiomOfChoice vs. PlayYourCardsRight
CrystalMath vs. avargov
darnits vs. miplet
DJTeddyBear vs. MonkeyMonkey
FinsRule vs. Mission146
MidwestAP vs. SOOPOO
mwalz9 vs. vendman1
odiousgambit vs. strictlyAP
rainman vs. slyther
RaleighCraps vs. Ayecarumba
rdw4potus vs. EdCollins
rebelaccountant vs. TIMSPEED
ShiftyRicky vs. bigfoot66
thecesspit vs. WongBo
winmonkeyspit3 vs. MakingBook
Deadline to PM your round 1 choices is 8:01 AM (Pacific time) Nov 13. Now, go discuss amongst yourselves how fair it would be for all of you to simple choose "share."
Hey everyone, the Wizard just gave each of us $6.25. All we have to do is choose "split" in each of the five rounds. No muss, no fuss.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
November 10th, 2012 at 5:10:46 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaHey everyone, the Wizard just gave each of us $6.25. All we have to do is choose "split" in each of the five rounds. No muss, no fuss.
That's absolutely correct.
Vote for Nobody 2020!
November 10th, 2012 at 6:25:48 PM
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Has there been a decision about revealing content of PMs during this contest? I'd love to tell everyone what Mission has told me.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:33:08 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleHas there been a decision about revealing content of PMs during this contest? I'd love to tell everyone what Mission has told me.
My guess is that our split or steal choice will be made public, but not discussions/negotiations via PM. Is this accurate?
I will never reveal contents of a PM. Whether it is permitted or not.
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
November 10th, 2012 at 6:40:04 PM
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Well you don't need to make me feel all bad about it.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:51:37 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleHas there been a decision about revealing content of PMs during this contest? I'd love to tell everyone what Mission has told me.
I'll tell everyone what I told you!
My exact words were, "Listen, buddy, I'm going steal. You might hate that, but haters gon' hate. I'm not worried about it, I advance or neither of us advance, that's life."
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 10th, 2012 at 7:00:07 PM
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I've received three submissions for round one so far. That is 29 to go. Don't forget to get them in by the deadline or you'll be automatically out.
That is a good question. I think we should stick to PM's being secret, with the exception that all share/steal submissions to me shall be made public at the end of the round. If someone has something public to say, by all means, do so in the forum.
Quote: MakingBookMy guess is that our split or steal choice will be made public, but not discussions/negotiations via PM. Is this accurate?
That is a good question. I think we should stick to PM's being secret, with the exception that all share/steal submissions to me shall be made public at the end of the round. If someone has something public to say, by all means, do so in the forum.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 10th, 2012 at 7:07:23 PM
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Quote: Wizard
That is a good question. I think we should stick to PM's being secret, with the exception that all share/steal submissions to me shall be made public at the end of the round. If someone has something public to say, by all means, do so in the forum.
I should like to recommend a slight modification to this: I think that an individual should be able to say whether he/she, himself/herself, said something in a PM but not what someone (PMing that person) said to them. In effect, a sender can claim they said something, but the recipient can't say anything about a PM either way.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 10th, 2012 at 7:12:56 PM
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I will tell you guys that my strategy is very simple, you will all either continue to advance me or you will self-eliminate. I'm stealing, so you're gone anyway, don't even worry about that. For those of you who may meet me in the last round or two, if the price hasn't been chopped too many ways by then, I might share at that point, but if we're to the last round with six (or more) people, forget about it.
As far as the rest of you are concerned, I suggest that all of you share early or you're not going to be viewed as trustworthy in later rounds. If I run up against someone next round that stole this round, (assuming AyeCarumba doesn't go the MAD route) it's going to be the same thing, I'm eliminating you, so you decide whether or not I continue.
When we get to the later Rounds, if I'm paired up with some people who have not yet stolen, then we'll see.
As far as the rest of you are concerned, I suggest that all of you share early or you're not going to be viewed as trustworthy in later rounds. If I run up against someone next round that stole this round, (assuming AyeCarumba doesn't go the MAD route) it's going to be the same thing, I'm eliminating you, so you decide whether or not I continue.
When we get to the later Rounds, if I'm paired up with some people who have not yet stolen, then we'll see.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 10th, 2012 at 7:14:28 PM
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Quote: Mission146I should like to recommend a slight modification to this: I think that an individual should be able to say whether he/she, himself/herself, said something in a PM but not what someone (PMing that person) said to them. In effect, a sender can claim they said something, but the recipient can't say anything about a PM either way.
I tend to disagree. If I claim that I said something by PM that isn't true, then the recipient of the alleged statement should be allowed to deny it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 10th, 2012 at 7:14:57 PM
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You can disregard everything Mission has said, I've already eliminated him.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:16:28 PM
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You have succeeded only in eliminating yourself, which would have happened anyway.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 10th, 2012 at 7:17:11 PM
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Quote: Mission146I will tell you guys that my strategy is very simple, you will all either continue to advance me or you will self-eliminate. I'm stealing, so you're gone anyway, don't even worry about that. For those of you who may meet me in the last round or two, if the price hasn't been chopped too many ways by then, I might share at that point, but if we're to the last round with six (or more) people, forget about it.
As far as the rest of you are concerned, I suggest that all of you share early or you're not going to be viewed as trustworthy in later rounds. If I run up against someone next round that stole this round, (assuming AyeCarumba doesn't go the MAD route) it's going to be the same thing, I'm eliminating you, so you decide whether or not I continue.
When we get to the later Rounds, if I'm paired up with some people who have not yet stolen, then we'll see.
FinsRule: It's up to you to eliminate the kamikaze :) Take one for the team, man...
Edit: Whoops, missed the last page of this thread.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:54:44 PM
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I need to see the math on what our expected value is for this contest.
Since it is doubtful all will share (although I always will, since I am playing for charity), there must be some expected value above the $6.25.
Since it is doubtful all will share (although I always will, since I am playing for charity), there must be some expected value above the $6.25.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
November 10th, 2012 at 8:27:51 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsI need to see the math on what our expected value is for this contest.
Since it is doubtful all will share (although I always will, since I am playing for charity), there must be some expected value above the $6.25.
I'm thinking it's lower, actually.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:42:16 PM
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My EV is higher than most. I abstained !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 11th, 2012 at 6:16:29 AM
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Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'm thinking it's lower, actually.
Yes, the ev is less than $6.25 because there is a chance that nobody wins.
I heart Crystal Math.
November 11th, 2012 at 7:52:42 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
November 11th, 2012 at 3:26:35 PM
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I will be splitting with WongBo in this round.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
November 11th, 2012 at 3:29:38 PM
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I think that is supposed to be submitted by PM.....
Because now you leave me no choice but to...steal
Another moment of your time to say I, too,, wiill split.
Because now you leave me no choice but to...steal
Another moment of your time to say I, too,, wiill split.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
