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November 11th, 2012 at 3:39:36 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

I will be splitting with WongBo in this round.



Public submissions will not be accepted. You must PM me your choice. Trust is key to this game.

So far I have received 9 submissions. I hope the other 23 are busy deliberating.

As a side prop, what percentage of submissions do you think will be share/steal?
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November 11th, 2012 at 3:57:37 PM permalink
I realize submissions by PM. Have done so. Making a public statement of intent. Doing what you say you will is one way to build trust and respect.
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November 11th, 2012 at 4:18:32 PM permalink
I haven't decided what to do. This feels like Wargames. No one is going to win.
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November 11th, 2012 at 4:37:44 PM permalink
What? I thought you were going to eliminate Mission. Someone's gotta do it...
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November 11th, 2012 at 6:06:08 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Public submissions will not be accepted. You must PM me your choice. Trust is key to this game.

So far I have received 9 submissions. I hope the other 23 are busy deliberating.

As a side prop, what percentage of submissions do you think will be share/steal?



About 14 share, 10 steal and 8 No reply.

I make it about 50/50 that you end up keeping all $200.
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November 11th, 2012 at 7:16:35 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

What? I thought you were going to eliminate Mission. Someone's gotta do it...



But Mission is a good, honest, hard-working guy who is going to give the money to orphans... Why would he choose to steal?
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November 11th, 2012 at 7:43:29 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

But Mission is a good, honest, hard-working guy who is going to give the money to orphans... Why would he choose to steal?



Fin, we are talking about MISSION 146, who has wormed his way up from secret vigilante to Administator.
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November 11th, 2012 at 8:34:35 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Fin, we are talking about MISSION 146, who has wormed his way up from secret vigilante to Administator.



Yeah, but it took him awhile to get there right?

Wait - he's been here less than 6 months? Shit. I'm screwed.
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November 11th, 2012 at 8:52:30 PM permalink
If you have trouble, with Mission let me know. I have the goods on him.

Mister Goody Goody Two Shoes has an unsavory past !
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November 11th, 2012 at 10:55:28 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

If you have trouble, with Mission let me know. I have the goods on him.

Mister Goody Goody Two Shoes has an unsavory past !



Was he an AP-er? ;)
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November 12th, 2012 at 7:55:13 AM permalink
19 responses thus far. There are still 13 players yet to respond.
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November 12th, 2012 at 8:45:20 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I will tell you guys that my strategy is very simple, you will all either continue to advance me or you will self-eliminate. I'm stealing, so you're gone anyway, don't even worry about that. For those of you who may meet me in the last round or two, if the price hasn't been chopped too many ways by then, I might share at that point, but if we're to the last round with six (or more) people, forget about it.

As far as the rest of you are concerned, I suggest that all of you share early or you're not going to be viewed as trustworthy in later rounds. If I run up against someone next round that stole this round, (assuming AyeCarumba doesn't go the MAD route) it's going to be the same thing, I'm eliminating you, so you decide whether or not I continue.

When we get to the later Rounds, if I'm paired up with some people who have not yet stolen, then we'll see.



I've already put myself out there, and Raleigh has as well. Splitting is the way to go. Unfortunately, someone needs to take out Mission146. We appreciate your sacrifice FinsRule. You're heroic action will be remembered in the songs, and stories we share in the mead hall for generations.
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November 12th, 2012 at 8:57:50 AM permalink
Did it say anywhere that the way we act will be made public? I thought that there'd only be a list of survivors.

Of course, by examining the entrants list and survivors list, it would probably be easy to figure out, but...
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November 12th, 2012 at 9:54:43 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Did it say anywhere that the way we act will be made public? I thought that there'd only be a list of survivors.

Of course, by examining the entrants list and survivors list, it would probably be easy to figure out, but...



Not easy: deterministic. Either you both advance, one advances, or no one advances. In every case, you know who picked what. Since someone is going to be tracking it, why not just make it public? You would be fooling yourself if you thought you could hide that info.
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:00:53 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

Not easy: deterministic. Either you both advance, one advances, or no one advances. In every case, you know who picked what. Since someone is going to be tracking it, why not just make it public? You would be fooling yourself if you thought you could hide that info.



The conversations leading up to the decision are what I find interesting. It is too bad that we cannot reveal what has been shared via PM. Maybe after the whole thing is done, we can agree to publish and dissect.
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:11:18 AM permalink
The current policy is that only the actual choices made by PM will be posted. However, anybody may waive their right to the confidentiality of PMs for purpose of the game.
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:39:15 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The current policy is that only the actual choices made by PM will be posted. However, anybody may waive their right to the confidentiality of PMs for purpose of the game.



Maybe we should just do all negotiating within this thread (for all to see) and only use PM's for split/steal decisions?
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:41:20 AM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

Maybe we should just do all negotiating within this thread (for all to see) and only use PM's for split/steal decisions?



But then everyone will know that I'm a lying ra...er...I mean...
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November 12th, 2012 at 12:00:52 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

But then everyone will know that I'm a lying ra...er...I mean...




Hey, we already knew that. LOL
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November 12th, 2012 at 12:08:04 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Hey, we already knew that. LOL



Thanks, Buzz. You're such a nice guy! (see what I did there?) :-)
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November 12th, 2012 at 12:25:02 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

(see what I did there?)


Yeah. LOL
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November 12th, 2012 at 12:35:58 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Thanks, Buzz. You're such a nice guy! (see what I did there?) :-)




I already knew that, too.
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November 12th, 2012 at 4:24:05 PM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

Maybe we should just do all negotiating within this thread (for all to see) and only use PM's for split/steal decisions?



Funny how you publicly state that you think we should negotiate in the thread yet you refuse to answer my PM's about negotiating.
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November 12th, 2012 at 5:14:18 PM permalink
Quote: winmonkeyspit3

Funny how you publicly state that you think we should negotiate in the thread yet you refuse to answer my PM's about negotiating.



OK, what the hell, let's SHARE and see if we go beyond round2.

We have nothing to lose.
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November 12th, 2012 at 5:35:34 PM permalink
My secret inner sanctum decision has been submitted
via PM. No, I won't answer any Exit Polling questions !
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November 12th, 2012 at 7:20:03 PM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

OK, what the hell, let's SHARE and see if we go beyond round2.

We have nothing to lose.



I said from the beginning that I would do whatever you want to do. If you are to steal then I'm going to take us both out, if you are going to share I will happily share and move along with you
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November 12th, 2012 at 8:06:37 PM permalink
12 hours to go in round 1. 7 players have yet to submit their choices.
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November 12th, 2012 at 11:47:45 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Did it say anywhere that the way we act will be made public?



Yup, first page...
Quote: Wizard

Yes, all decisions will be made public



So... you might want to consider my offer.
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November 13th, 2012 at 5:03:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

12 hours to go in round 1. 7 players have yet to submit their choices.


Less than 3 hour to go now. I predict 7 people choose steal.
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November 13th, 2012 at 5:56:46 AM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

OK, what the hell, let's SHARE and see if we go beyond round2.

We have nothing to lose.



Unless you sent your pm to the Wiz that says steal, and you are setting winmonkey up for a quick ouster.....
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November 13th, 2012 at 7:56:15 AM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:13:07 AM permalink
Here are the round 1 results. Round 2 matchups to follow shortly.

Player 1 Choice Player 2 Choice
JohnnyQ Split paisiello Split
AxiomOfChoice Steal PlayYourCardsRight Steal
CrystalMath Split avargov Split
darnits Split miplet Split
DJTeddyBear Steal MonkeyMonkey Split
FinsRule Split Mission146 Split
MidwestAP Steal SOOPOO Steal
mwalz9 Steal vendman1 Split
odiousgambit Steal strictlyAP Steal
rainman Steal slyther Steal
RaleighCraps Split Ayecarumba Split
rdw4potus Steal EdCollins Steal
rebelaccountant No response TIMSPEED Split
ShiftyRicky Split bigfoot66 Split
thecesspit Split WongBo Split
winmonkeyspit3 Steal MakingBook Steal


Here is the summary:

Split: 17
Steal: 14
No response: 1
Total: 32

So, of the actual responses the share rate was 54.8%. Interesting, most teams picked the same way. Here are the matchups totals:

Split-split: 7
Steal-stea:l 6
Split-steal: 2
No response: 1
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:16:20 AM permalink
Dang it!!! I was so ready to rant and rave about getting lied to this morning and screwed out of my riches! I am glad that my opponent is both a gentleman and a scholar! lol
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:27:16 AM permalink
Quote: avargov

Dang it!!! I was so ready to rant and rave about getting lied to this morning and screwed out of my riches! I am glad that my opponent is both a gentleman and a scholar! lol



Thank you. Now, we need to plot and lie together.
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:28:18 AM permalink
it is all going according to plan MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:31:31 AM permalink
Round 2 Matchups

Team 1 Team 2
Mission146 + FinsRule thecesspit + WongBo
TIMSPEED JohnnyQ + paisiello
mwalz9 avargov + CrystalMath
DJTeddyBear ShiftyRicky + bigfoot66
darnits + miplet RaleighCraps + Ayecarumba


For the sharing teams in round 2, the player listed first was randomly chosen to be the team leader. Only that player may submit the team response, but is encouraged to consider the wishes of the other player.

Deadline to sumbit round 2 responses shall be 8:00 AM, Thursday, Nov 15, Pacific time.
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:31:59 AM permalink
Only two successful steals... so eliminate those two folks, an d we can split the rest amongst the remaining cooperatives.
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:36:11 AM permalink
EDIT: I am not a complete buffoon. I was working on my post while Wiz's post came in............ Real time forums...


So, if I am reading this right, 10 of the original 16 'teams' are still alive.
I am assuming TIMSPEED's SPLIT vote won him the whole share since his foe did not vote.

Full share owners are:
DJTeddyBear
mwalz9
TIMSPEED

1/2 share owners are:
JohhnyQ - paisiello
CrystalMath - avargov
darnits - miplet
FinsRule - Mission146
RaleighCraps - Ayecarumba
ShiftyRicky - bigfoot66
thecesspit - WongBo

So, now my share to charity is now worth $10. Once again, I will be voting split, since $10 to charity is better than $0. And once again, may I remind my fellow players that STEALing from me, is like stealing money from a charity.
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:41:27 AM permalink
Can I re-buy? :)
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:51:21 AM permalink
I must admit that I didn't understand the team concept until I read Mike's post about the Round 2 matchups.

That changes my thinking and strategy.....
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:52:44 AM permalink
Sorry, I messed up the table. There is no reason for anybody to get a bye. I hope nobody will mind that I busted a couple posts noting my errors. No need to confuse anybody.
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:53:01 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I must admit that I didn't understand the team concept until I read Mike's post about the Round 2 matchups.

That changes my thinking and strategy.....



Don't change.....keep stealing!
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November 13th, 2012 at 8:56:12 AM permalink
I never stole anything in my life, so I decided I would steal throughout.

winmonkeyspit3 is too sharp, and would have none of it. RESPECT.
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November 13th, 2012 at 9:01:37 AM permalink
Wiz:

Can the PMing option be overided if both parties agree beforehand that their respective choices be selected randomly instead? i.e. can both parties pick thier balls (excuse the expression) without looking at the contents first?
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November 13th, 2012 at 9:15:21 AM permalink
Quote: paisiello

Can the PMing option be overided if both parties agree beforehand that their respective choices be selected randomly instead? i.e. can both parties pick thier balls (excuse the expression) without looking at the contents first?



No. I will only accept share and steal choices. If you choose randomly on your own end that is fine. It makes no difference to me how the choice is made, although I prefer an end with two steals so I can keep my money.
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November 13th, 2012 at 9:19:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

It makes no difference to me how the choice is made, although I prefer this end with two steals so I can keep my money.



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November 13th, 2012 at 9:27:34 AM permalink
I was under the impression that team leaders were going to be randomly selected as a part of round two.
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November 13th, 2012 at 9:34:26 AM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

I never stole anything in my life, so I decided I would steal throughout.

winmonkeyspit3 is too sharp, and would have none of it. RESPECT.



Thanks for the compliment? Would have rather lived to fight another round though
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November 13th, 2012 at 9:38:42 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

I was under the impression that team leaders were going to be randomly selected as a part of round two.



They were:
Quote: Wizard

For the sharing teams in round 2, the player listed first was randomly chosen to be the team leader. Only that player may submit the team response, but is encouraged to consider the wishes of the other player.

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November 13th, 2012 at 9:48:27 AM permalink
Oh thanks, I missed that line.
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