2016 Election -- Part II
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Quote: RSI don't understand why the libs think requiring ID to vote is racist. If they think it's because the blacks and Mexicans and other minorities are too poor to get an ID or something like that, then they are, themselves, racists.
So all the research that shows that minorities do not have state issued id in the same proportion as white citizens are nonsense?
First of many such nonsensical claims, I suspect.
Quote: billryanTrump has filed a suit here in Vegas, claiming the decision to leave the polls open to accommodate voters after 8pm was illegal, even though it's tradition that anyone on line at closing can vote.
I just voted here in Michigan.
While waiting in line, I saw there was a "Voters' Rights" sign on the wall that specifically said if you are in line when the polls close, you are allowed to vote.
Quote: MathExtremistIf this estimate is even remotely accurate and carries through the day, the race might be called by early evening. I don't think anyone believes Trump can win without Florida
I'd rather they not call the race early, because of all the disgruntled are disgruntled enough already.
It's not just tradition, it's the law.Quote: billryanTrump has filed a suit here in Vegas, claiming the decision to leave the polls open to accommodate voters after 8pm was illegal, even though it's tradition that anyone on line at closing can vote.
First of many such nonsensical claims, I suspect.
Quote: NRS 293.305 Closing of polls; admission of voters and other persons.
1. If at the hour of closing the polls there are any registered voters waiting to vote, the doors of the polling place must be closed after all such voters have been admitted to the polling place. Voting must continue until those voters have voted.
I, for one, think Florida and NC and Ohio will be very close so it will not be an early call.
You might be trying to impose a New York tradition on your new home. In Vegas they wait in line.Quote: billryanTrump has filed a suit here in Vegas, claiming the decision to leave the polls open to accommodate voters after 8pm was illegal, even though it's tradition that anyone on line at closing can vote.
First of many such nonsensical claims, I suspect.
Quote: JimRockfordYou might be trying to impose a New York tradition on your new home. In Vegas they wait in line.Quote: billryanTrump has filed a suit here in Vegas, claiming the decision to leave the polls open to accommodate voters after 8pm was illegal, even though it's tradition that anyone on line at closing can vote.
First of many such nonsensical claims, I suspect.
Many people say "on" line.
I say "in" line.
Is it a "pop" vs. "soda" type regional thing?
It's pretty much a New York thing.Quote: ams288Quote: JimRockfordYou might be trying to impose a New York tradition on your new home. In Vegas they wait in line.Quote: billryanTrump has filed a suit here in Vegas, claiming the decision to leave the polls open to accommodate voters after 8pm was illegal, even though it's tradition that anyone on line at closing can vote.
First of many such nonsensical claims, I suspect.
Many people say "on" line.
I say "in" line.
Is it a "pop" vs. "soda" type regional thing?
https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_93.html
But that doesn't make it wrong.
They might. None of WA, OR, CA is in doubt for Hillary. If VoteCastr's trends turn out to be accurate, it will be a very quick evening. All seven of the states they're tracking (FL, PA, OH, IA, WI, NH, NV) are currently in Hillary's column, and that means Trump wouldn't even crack 200 EVs -- a bigger win than Obama had over Romney. We'll see very, very soon...Quote: ams288The earliest the networks will call it is 11pm EST, when California's polls close. Even if it becomes clear who will win, they won't call it till one candidate actually gets to 270.
I, for one, think Florida and NC and Ohio will be very close so it will not be an early call.
Quote: JimRockfordIt's pretty much a New York thing.Quote: ams288Quote: JimRockfordYou might be trying to impose a New York tradition on your new home. In Vegas they wait in line.Quote: billryanTrump has filed a suit here in Vegas, claiming the decision to leave the polls open to accommodate voters after 8pm was illegal, even though it's tradition that anyone on line at closing can vote.
First of many such nonsensical claims, I suspect.
Many people say "on" line.
I say "in" line.
Is it a "pop" vs. "soda" type regional thing?
https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_93.html
But that doesn't make it wrong.
Very interesting!
That explains why I've heard so many NY-based media people on TV say "on line" these past few days.
Quote: RonCI am not making predictions, but it is obvious that the polls show that Hillary will win the election. It doesn't exactly make me jump with joy, but we will move on from here and deal with however she governs if that is the case.
I am kind of sad that all those celebrities will not have to carry out their threat to leave the country...I was rather interested in seeing them squirm when asked why they did not keep their promises to get out of town. Such threats are just stupid, and the media paying any attention to them is even more stupid. Heck, countries with enforced immigration regulations might not even let them in!!
I like Bruce Springsteen's music (and many other celebs) but I don't care how he votes; who any celeb votes for is one of the dumbest reasons anyone could ever give for voting for a particular candidate.
Quote: a Virginia RepublicanI personally know many Republicans that won't admit that they are voting for Trump. I don't like admitting it myself.
GOP insiders: Polls don't capture secret Trump vote
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-shy-voters-polls-gop-insiders-230411
Don't give up too soon because of a lying factor in polling. I personally know one "undecided" on-line person who won't admit that he/she is a Trumper.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-shy-voters-polls-gop-insiders-230411
http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/11/google-searches-for-who-taylor-swift-is-voting-for-spike.html
https://twitter.com/taylorswift13?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/08/people-asking-google-who-my-ballot-who-taylor-swift-voting/93469618/
Quote: GreasyjohnIt's 7:45 am. I just went to my polling place ad the line is a half hour wait--I'll go back later.
Without early voting, the line would have been much longer. Don't give up!
Quote: billryanSo all the research that shows that minorities do not have state issued id in the same proportion as white citizens are nonsense?
Something can be both true and racist. I don't know if the research you're talking about is accurate or not and I'm not disputing it. There may be other reasons why someone doesn't have an ID.
I just think it's a bit ridiculous that liberals would claim "blacks are better than Asians at football" or "whites are better than blacks at hockey/swimming" is racist......but then think it's not racist to say "blacks/Mexicans/minorities don't have an ID because they're poor".
(IMO, if it's true it isn't racist. Liberals only think something is racist if it's making someone else look bad, but think it's not racist if it benefits them.)
Quote: MathExtremistIt's not just tradition, it's the law.
Trump and his people know that
They are claiming people that got in line after the deadline were allowed to vote
Its probably going nowhere because I don't think they have any evidence.
Quote: terapinedTrump and his people know that
They are claiming people that got in line after the deadline were allowed to vote
Its probably going nowhere because I don't think they have any evidence.
The judge basically just laughed Trump's lawyer out of court.
Quote: RS
I just think it's a bit ridiculous that liberals would claim "blacks are better than Asians at football" or "whites are better than blacks at hockey/swimming" is racist......but then think it's not racist to say "blacks/Mexicans/minorities don't have an ID because they're poor".
Asian Islanders won gold in Rugby 7's in Rio
Simone Manuel (black) is a gold medal swimmer in an individual event
Quote: MathExtremistThey might. None of WA, OR, CA is in doubt for Hillary. If VoteCastr's trends turn out to be accurate, it will be a very quick evening. All seven of the states they're tracking (FL, PA, OH, IA, WI, NH, NV) are currently in Hillary's column, and that means Trump wouldn't even crack 200 EVs -- a bigger win than Obama had over Romney. We'll see very, very soon...
Do you like their model for obtaining results?
That is different from liking the results from their model....
I switched to a Nevada ID recently, and was convinced voter IDs are bad. It was a YUGE pain. They wanted a birth certificate or passport, which a lot of people don't have laying around, official mail addressed to me (also, not likely to be laying around if, say, you rent a room in someone else's house) and some other stuff. And it cost $40.
Basically, you have to pick your poison. Either make it too easy to obtain an ID, or let people vote without them.
It'd be nice if those numbers were real, but I'm skeptical.
They had Jill Stein at 1.7% in NV earlier... (Jill Stein isn't on the ballot in NV).
Quote: RigondeauxTwo Florida poll workers have been escorted from their jobs by the police. See some claims on Twitter that Trump's got Florida, though I don't have time to see how credible they are. Hang on to your hats!
I switched to a Nevada ID recently, and was convinced voter IDs are bad. It was a YUGE pain. They wanted a birth certificate or passport, which a lot of people don't have laying around, official mail addressed to me (also, not likely to be laying around if, say, you rent a room in someone else's house) and some other stuff. And it cost $40.
Basically, you have to pick your poison. Either make it too easy to obtain an ID, or let people vote without them.
I don't know the source of the info you cited. But if I have to make a guess ... it must be from WoV's MaxPen.
Vote fraud is a fantasy made up by certain insecure group of the electorate, namely the GOP.
Quote: RS(IMO, if it's true it isn't racist. Liberals only think something is racist if it's making someone else look bad, but think it's not racist if it benefits them.)
Okay, how about this: "No Blacks allowed." Was a true statement, but racist.
I would just note, it's not always that simple.
Quote: MaxPenWhere's the exit polling. Ha. Media must not like what they are hearing. There is usually a ton of exit data being hyped by this time.
Exit polling always starts coming out at 5pm EST.
Quote: MaxPenWhere's the exit polling. Ha. Media must not like what they are hearing. There is usually a ton of exit data being hyped by this time.
I predict Trump will win big due to lack of reporting on exit polling.
Quote: terapinedAsian Islanders won gold in Rugby 7's in Rio
Simone Manuel (black) is a gold medal swimmer in an individual event
What's your point?
Quote: ams288It appears that Donald Trump had to make sure Melania didn't copy off of Michelle Obama again:
Trump is right handed, albeit small (per Rubio) but can throw a powerful punch.
Tomorrow if you see Melania with a bruised on her left eye then it would be safe to conclude that she voted for Hillary.
Quote: 777I don't know the source of the info you cited. But if I have to make a guess ... it must be from WoV's MaxPen.
Vote fraud is a fantasy made up by certain insecure group of the electorate, namely the GOP.
Just looking at what comes up when you search "Florida" on Twitter. The story about the poll workers was reported by CNN.
More recent reports say it was just a physical altercation, nothing to do with tampering.
Hillary is now -300 in Fla on Bet online.
Quote: rxwineTonight I'm tuning into Fox News.
I am not sure how big of a deal it will be if Hillary wins (as predicted). Most of them were already saying that was the likely conclusion last night, at least in the hour or two I watched. I don't think that someone will have a little white board and go nuts. It is clear that they favor Trump on most shows, but they were not pushing the victory narrative last night.
Mixed drinks 13.00
wine 13.00
Imported beer 11.00
Domestic beer 10.00
soft drinks 7.00
With that pricing, it appears they're trying to get the crowd really drunk, really fast.Quote: terapinedHilton NY where the Trump party is taking place tonight
Mixed drinks 13.00
wine 13.00
Imported beer 11.00
Domestic beer 10.00
soft drinks 7.00
I'm not sure. It sounds decent in theory but I'll have to see whether it's accurate in practice. Of course, we won't know that until later tonight. But as a measurement exercise, it's a worthwhile one to tackle. In many respects, it's not unlike tracking bets at a table game. It's easy to do for electronic systems with transactional auditing but for felt table games, you have to eyeball it during the day and then count the till at the end of the night. Several companies have tried electronic systems for chip tracking but it was never cost effective. We could enable real-time transactional auditing of elections too -- many voting sites use electronic machines rather than paper ballots, and even paper can be scanned and tallied in real-time -- but I don't see that happening at any point in the near future.Quote: RonCDo you like their model for obtaining results?
In the meanwhile, it's given me something to click "refresh" on during the day...
Quote: MaxPenQuote: ams288Quote: MaxPenQuote: ams288This is my prediction for what the final map looks like:
Ohio, NC, and that one district in Maine are the biggest question marks for me.
The colors for Florida, North Carolina, Michigan, Nevada, and possibly Pennsylvania are wrong.
No use arguing now. We'll know soon enough.
I was being kind and not asking you to change the color of New Hampshire and Wisconsin. :-)
New Hampshire called for Trump and the race is underway. ;-)
Hey man, still too easy for my taste.
Quote: MaxPenQuote: MaxPenQuote: ams288Quote: MaxPenQuote: ams288This is my prediction for what the final map looks like:
Ohio, NC, and that one district in Maine are the biggest question marks for me.
The colors for Florida, North Carolina, Michigan, Nevada, and possibly Pennsylvania are wrong.
No use arguing now. We'll know soon enough.
I was being kind and not asking you to change the color of New Hampshire and Wisconsin. :-)
New Hampshire called for Trump and the race is underway. ;-)
Where are you getting New Hampshire was called for Trump? They've counted like 57 ballots.
Quote: TwirdmanQuote: MaxPenQuote: MaxPenQuote: ams288Quote: MaxPenQuote: ams288This is my prediction for what the final map looks like:
Ohio, NC, and that one district in Maine are the biggest question marks for me.
The colors for Florida, North Carolina, Michigan, Nevada, and possibly Pennsylvania are wrong.
No use arguing now. We'll know soon enough.
I was being kind and not asking you to change the color of New Hampshire and Wisconsin. :-)
New Hampshire called for Trump and the race is underway. ;-)
Where are you getting New Hampshire was called for Trump? They've counted like 57 ballots.
Yup, NH still has just counted those few midnight ballots as of 731pm
The race to watch is Florida, results pouring in.
30% in Clinton leading
43% in Trump leading
That was before Broward county started coming in. As of this instant, Clinton is ahead in FL by about 200k votes overall.Quote: terapinedThe race to watch is Florida, results pouring in.
30% in Clinton leading
43% in Trump leading
Quote: MathExtremistThat was before Broward county started coming in. As of this instant, Clinton is ahead in FL by about 200k votes overall.
FL 78% in, Clinton up by 50k, getting close
Quote: RSIn 3.5 years I'm moving to Florida for political purposes.
I moved from Md (my vote was meaningless) to Florida (my vote is important)
Shouldn't be this way but its reality.
Quote: terapinedFL 78% in, Clinton up by 50k, getting close
81% in, lead back up to over 100k
edit
84% in, lead down to 50k
85% in lead down to 16k
OMG
86% in tie
Trump leads in FL with 86% in. wow
What a race, 87% in and Clinton ahead 1.5k
88% in, Clinton by 28 votes. wow
You heard it here first.
Quote: RSFlorida will end in a dead tie.
You heard it here first.
WILL that include any hanging chads?
