2016 Election -- Part II
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Properly bankrolled, competent litigators can really dig up the dirt and do serious damage to a party's reputation with it.
Got to think that the dems and perhaps the tea party guys are throwing serious money at the plaintiff's legal team.
Ah, justice.
Don't smear real conservatives by attributing to them that nonsense. I know actual conservatives and many are very good friends from college. They're intelligent, thoughtful people who happen to have a different view on the role of the state in society than I do, but it's easy to have a policy debate because they're respectful.Quote: terapinedTranslation
I cant prove my position because nobody is crazy enough or has the guts to prove my position.
???????
Only from a conservative :-)
In a normal world, perhaps, but I think Trump will simply claim it was just a branding/franchise deal and he had nothing to do with it. I have only skimmed the details of that scam, and they're pretty bad, but nothing else Trump has done in the past seems to have come back to haunt him so I don't see why this will.Quote: MrVTrump's detractors would seem to have a golden opportunity to try to undermine if not destroy Trump with the pending Trump Univ. litigation.
Quote: MathExtremistIn a normal world, perhaps, but I think Trump will simply claim it was just a branding/franchise deal and he had nothing to do with it. I have only skimmed the details of that scam, and they're pretty bad, but nothing else Trump has done in the past seems to have come back to haunt him so I don't see why this will.
Yep he's the Teflon candidate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4m24zv/i_am_an_artificial_hive_mind_called_unu_i/
http://go.unu.ai/r/42004
Quote: rxwineUni predicts on Hillary server issue -- This link is replay of the computation.
http://go.unu.ai/r/42004
I'd give it incredible odds then. How about -1,000,000 Uni?
Quote: RigondeauxI'd give it incredible odds then. How about -1,000,000 Uni?
DOES NOT COMPUTE
Quote: MathExtremistThey're intelligent, thoughtful people who happen to have a different view on the role of the state in society than I do, but it's easy to have a policy debate because they're respectful.
That we know of. She probably doesn't even really like men.Quote: MathExtremistHillary Clinton never had an affair while Donald Trump has admitted to several.
I'm not sure who would want to have an affair with her anyways. Perhaps a lesbian looking for a "man".
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#Go Trump!!!
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Quote: AxelWolfThat we know of. She probably doesn't even really like men.
I'm not sure who would want to have an affair with her anyways. Perhaps a lesbian looking for a "man".
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#Go Trump!!!
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I nailed Hilary, I believe every woman deserves a little love and who am I to deny them of that.
Quote: AZDuffmanI guess if you don't think having a target on your back and being assumed to be in the wrong when someone complains "unaffected."
Some things have been scientifically proven. Slavery only started because blacks could handle the hot work better than whites. It was genetic. Same gene that causes sickle cell anemia. Blacks are more predisposed to high blood pressure than whites. Muscle structure is different, which accounts for blacks being better at sports that require short bursts of speed and strength but as that need flattens out the advantage fades. So why not in other things? I have brought up how stereotypes are usually based in some kind of reality, but just get shouted down. If a person dares say one group might be predisposed for something in our society that person will be called a "racist," Studies will be geared to show "we are all the same" rather than an open mind to see if maybe just maybe one group is more intelligent as a group. And if one group tests low then the test itself gets attacked,
As to the radio host, he is just a guy who has experienced black culture and white culture and is reporting on it. He is calling out what most are afraid to call out. Things like how a white staffed fast-food place in the suburbs almost always has better service and better behaved customers than a black staffed one more in the city. He also calls out how culturally blacks are the architects of most of their own problems. His videos go a little long for me to watch all of them, but he is interesting to listen to so I just check for the titles.
Give him a listen if you like. "Science" is not needed see what is going on. I have said here before, black society in the USA has basically collapsed. I have also said that does not mean every last black is helpless. But he is a guy who looks at the behavior of and who that culture makes into heroes and says, "the hell with all this!" Discrimination and racism are not causing most of the problems, behavior is. If the behavior was not what it is, then the discrimination you claim would vanish for the most part,
Yeah, this entire post is laughable, but the part that got me snorting milk and cheerios was the "Muscle structure. .. " bolded above. This explains why Kenyans and other Africans have completely dominated the world Marathon racing top tier for more than 3 decades now. Not.
Edit: Wrote this before reading TomG's response to AZD post. I defer to his better-written dissection. :)
Quote: beachbumbabs
Yeah, this entire post is laughable, but the part that got me snorting milk and cheerios was the "Muscle structure. .. " bolded above. This explains why Kenyans and other Africans have completely dominated the world Marathon racing top tier for more than 3 decades now. Not.
I was reading a science magazine a year or two ago, something like Discover or Scientific American, and they did an article about how different "races" are good at different sports. I don't recall what studies they were referring to, but it basically boiled down to self-perpetuating stereotypes, i.e., "black people are good at basketball because black people are supposed to be good at basketball." They did stuff like trace the history of basketball, back when it was mostly white people, and then why black people started getting into it, and why black people got "better" at it, yada yada yada, and now it's a stereotype that black people play basketball, white people play hockey, etc.
I don't recall if running was specifically mentioned, but I'm sure there are also environmental factors in play there and why Africans are so good at it.
Slavery by any other name, http://theantimedia.org/walmart-gap-hm-called-out-for-global-worker-exploitation-and-abuse/
Quote: AZDuffmanI am hardly 0 for 2. I am educated on the subject. You are the one who needs to read with more critical thinking.
Sorry to break it to you, but blacks being able to handle the hot weather was a major factor in it taking hold. There were plenty of indentured servants prior to slavery, but the Africans could work the hot fields better, especially the rice fields.
Your PC views are clouding common sense thinking.
Blacks handle hot weather better than whites. I have both read it and seen it happen.[
I believe melanin protects one from skin cancer/sunburning; it doesn't make you FEEL cooler in the heat.
NextUp : Crooked Hillary
I personally think it's exactly in line with my stance on military, foreign policy ,and my main misgivings about Trump, for what that's worth.
Quote: AZDuffmanI am talking about any future study you will see. If a study proves differences rather than sameness, the people who ran said study will get blacklisted from any of the colleges or professional begging organizations where a person who is afraid of the real world depends on to make their livelyhood. Say one race may differ from another and all hell breaks loose. The PC world just cannot handle it.Quote: TomGWhat "studies" are you referring to? The very first humans came from Africa and had dark skin. Which means that there is as much biodiversity within the world's black population as there is between blacks and other ethnic groups.
No need to argue with that logic, it pretty much defeats itself
Trump has no political experience, and most of his "bad ideas" would never be able to be put into law. It is all rhetoric.
Clinton has the ability to make changes, that makes her dangerous for that point alone. Clinton is a sellout to all sorts of foreign and domestic interests (banks, GCC states). Trump may appear more unstable based on rhetoric, but Clinton is more unstable if you look at her positions and her donors.
The fact that Trump may be incompetent and incapable of accomplishing much of anything is actually a point in his favor. Because generally the less a President changes, the better.
I really don't want to get into a debate if Trump is racist or not, but I do not believe that he is. Wanting to keep out illegal immigrants is not racist, and Trump is far from the first who proposed a wall (again not racist many countries have firm walls on their border).
Quote: beachbumbabsHillary just made an astounding foreign policy speech in San Diego. I would encourage people on all sides to listen through it, though it's about 45 minutes, whether to argue against it or agree with it. It deserves more than just waiting for sound byte clips from elsewhere.
I personally think it's exactly in line with my stance on military, foreign policy ,and my main misgivings about Trump, for what that's worth.
Hillary's foreign policy is war for corporate profit. She follows Henry Kissinger. Their philosophy is a perversion of a school of thought, in international relations, called political realism. The idea behind realism is that international relations are a domain of lawlessness that ultimately reduces to a naked power struggle. I think they take it a step further by pursuing the interests of the wealthy and corporations in that domain rather than a collective "national" interest.
I'm not sure why anybody would support that, if they were not extremely wealthy and a borderline psychopath. Have you ever had a combat vet tell you about their experiences in Iraq? Have you ever seen the birth defects Hillary helped inflict on Iraqi kids? You're comfortable with that happening for no reason? Or do you still think Saddam was involved with 9/11 and/or terrorism?
What about the Libya disaster? What FP decisions has Hillary made that haven't been absolute catastrophes, involving massive suffering? (Assuming you aren't in the bomb making business)
Assuming he is 1)not as foolish as he pretends and 2)not a total phony, I'd STRONGLY favor Trump on FP. While he is much more bellicose than I am, he at least believes in a real national interest. That is, FP decisions should factor in the interests of you, me, the members of the military, etc. Not just arms dealers and oil companies.
Quote: TigerWuI was reading a science magazine a year or two ago, something like Discover or Scientific American, and they did an article about how different "races" are good at different sports. I don't recall what studies they were referring to, but it basically boiled down to self-perpetuating stereotypes, i.e., "black people are good at basketball because black people are supposed to be good at basketball." They did stuff like trace the history of basketball, back when it was mostly white people, and then why black people started getting into it, and why black people got "better" at it, yada yada yada, and now it's a stereotype that black people play basketball, white people play hockey, etc.
I don't recall if running was specifically mentioned, but I'm sure there are also environmental factors in play there and why Africans are so good at it.
I think this must be the liberal version of not believing in global warming. OK, not THAT extreme. But come on.
Even white athletes training in, say, Nazi Germany, had it in their heads that they could not run as fast as blacks, and this made them run significantly slower? And this happened, specifically to sprinters, but not as much to middle distance runners, etc.
I'm sure we are influenced by these stereotypes. A young black athlete might decide to focus on basketball, while a young white athlete might chose baseball and so forth, but these stereotypes did not come from thin air.
Quote: Rigondeaux
I'm sure we are influenced by these stereotypes. A young black athlete might decide to focus on basketball, while a young white athlete might chose baseball and so forth, but these stereotypes did not come from thin air.
Well, like I said this was a couple of years ago that I read this, so I'm almost certainly forgetting some important details. That was the gist of the article, though. I wish I could remember what the magazine was, and the specific issue, so I could tell you what it was. I don't have an opinion either way, and really I don't care that much. I'll leave the debate to people who are much smarter than I am.
We need some more non-troll gambling talk, I think. Getting too drawn in to the politics.
" Donald Trump supporters leaving the presidential candidate's rally in San Jose were pounced on by protesters, some of whom threw punches and eggs."
...and this was said:
"Mayor Sam Liccardo, a Democrat and Hillary Clinton supporter, criticized Trump for coming to cities and igniting problems that local police departments had to deal with.
"At some point Donald Trump needs to take responsibility for the irresponsible behavior of his campaign," Liccardo told The Associated Press by phone."
http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Protesters-punch-throw-eggs-at-Trump-supporters-7960914.php
Idiot Democrat trying to blame the victim. I'm betting some of the Democrats are even buying it.
If a Trump supporter punches a Trump protester, it is Trump's fault.
If a Trump protester punches a Trump supporter, it is Trump's fault.
...and Democrats claim moral and intellectual superiority!
Quote: RonCIdiot Democrat trying to blame the victim. I'm betting some of the Democrats are even buying it.
Maybe "some"
but
I stand with the majority of democrats that are against violence regardless of what side the violence starts on.
Quote: terapinedMaybe "some"
but
I stand with the majority of democrats that are against violence regardless of what side the violence starts on.
I believe that you do. You are a stand up guy.
Quote: RonC
If a Trump protester punches a Trump supporter, it is Trump's fault.
Your candidate is the only one of three left who has said maybe protesters should be roughed up.
Also said this if BLM protestors disrupted his event.
Quote:"I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself, or if other people will," Trump said then
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/
Quote: terapinedMaybe "some"
but
I stand with the majority of democrats that are against violence regardless of what side the violence starts on.
I don't have cable. Has Hillary or Bernie come out and condemned the rioters?
Quote: AZDuffmanI don't have cable. Has Hillary or Bernie come out and condemned the rioters?
Hillary Clinton says she wants violence at Donald Trump's rallies to stop
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-clinton-violence-1464990284-htmlstory.html
Quote: terapinedHillary Clinton says she wants violence at Donald Trump's rallies to stop
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-clinton-violence-1464990284-htmlstory.html
I would not exactly say she condemned the rioters:
Quote: HillaryHe set a bad example, Clinton said in an interview on CNN. He created an environment in which it seemed to be acceptable for someone running for president to be inciting violence, to be encouraging his supporters. Now we are seeing people who are against it respond in kind.
It should all stop, she said. It is not acceptable.
She is blaming Trump, not the rioters. Blame the victim!
Quote: rxwineYour candidate is the only one of three left who has said maybe protesters should be roughed up.
Also said this if BLM protestors disrupted his event.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/
Your not addressing the current issue; that is par for the course.
The current issue is Trump supporters getting attacked by Trump protesters.
Do you support that and blame Trump or not?
I've already told you that he was not "my candidate" and that I don't like him; I just like Hillary even less...and I also feel that he should be called out when HE incites or favors bad behavior.
I got it, though, blame Trump for everything. Hell, he probably helped set up Hillary's email server!
Quote: AZDuffmanI would not exactly say she condemned the rioters:
Quote: HillaryHe set a bad example, Clinton said in an interview on CNN. He created an environment in which it seemed to be acceptable for someone running for president to be inciting violence, to be encouraging his supporters. Now we are seeing people who are against it respond in kind.
It should all stop, she said. It is not acceptable.
She is blaming Trump, not the rioters. Blame the victim!
She'd be whining like crazy if someone blamed or for something caused by Trump people.
Quote: RonC
She'd be whining like crazy if someone blamed or for something caused by Trump people.
I would love for a reporter to do their job and ask Hillary if it is racist for Mexicans to burn the American Flag.
Quote: AZDuffmanI would love for a reporter to do their job and ask Hillary if it is racist for Mexicans to burn the American Flag.
I would love for a reporter to do their job and ask John Miller if it is racist to attack a federal judge born and raised in Indiana simply because his parents are from Mexico
Quote: billryanHow is burning the flag racists?
Trump is called a racist for not being in favor of illegal immigration so I am wondering if Mexicans showing such disrespect is not considered racist.
Do you think the mexicans were being racist or not?
Quote: AZDuffmanTrump is called a racist for not being in favor of illegal immigration so I am wondering if Mexicans showing such disrespect is not considered racist.
Do you think the mexicans were being racist or not?
He's a racist because the judge born and raised in Indiana is an AMERICAN, not a Mexican
"He's a Mexican" said John Miller
Quote: AZDuffmanTrump is called a racist for not being in favor of illegal immigration so I am wondering if Mexicans showing such disrespect is not considered racist.
Do you think the mexicans were being racist or not?
I think there were people being hoodlums and I hope the ones who broke the law are id'd and charged .
I saw a lot of thuggish behavior, but I don't know that everyone doing it was Mexican, and I don't think burning an American Flag is racist.
Quote: billryanI think there were people being hoodlums and I hope the ones who broke the law are id'd and charged .
I saw a lot of thuggish behavior, but I don't know that everyone doing it was Mexican, and I don't think burning an American Flag is racist.
Is Trump racist for wanting to protect the border in your opinion?
What if someone used a Mexican flag to shine their shoes? Would that be racist?
Quote: RonCYour not addressing the current issue; that is par for the course.
The current issue is Trump supporters getting attacked by Trump protesters.
Do you support that and blame Trump or not?
I don't support people getting beaten on either side.
Let's see, Trump did blame the victims. But Hillary blamed trump as a leader who sets the tone. She called for the violence to end. She did not blame the victims.
What part of the latter is wrong on the facts?
And don't embarrass yourself with the intellectual and moral superiority comment again.
Quote: AZDuffmanIs Trump racist for wanting to protect the border in your opinion?
What if someone used a Mexican flag to shine their shoes? Would that be racist?
Trump is racist for saying Mexicans are rapist and drug dealers.
As for the rest, in my short time here I've seen enough of your posts to realize there's no point in attempting a discussion.
Not much chance of that occurring, seeing as how the civil authority of the jurisdiction has blamed the victims and has refrained from criticism of the perpetrators. The mayor, and by extension the governor, have demonstrated that they are willing to handcuff law enforcement in order to allow violent mobs to create havoc as long as those mobs agree with their agendas. Just like Baltimore. And San Jose deserves the same fate.Quote: billryanI think there were people being hoodlums and I hope the ones who broke the law are id'd and charged.
Quote: AZDuffmanTrump is called a racist for not being in favor of illegal immigration so I am wondering if Mexicans showing such disrespect is not considered racist.
Do you think the mexicans were being racist or not?
Trump condemned an entire race of people by calling Mexicans coming over rapist and drug dealers and saying a judge born and raised in the US cannot properly preside over his trial because he is of Mexican heritage. Those are the actions of a racist.
Burning the flag has no explicit racial overtones. It is a form of protest against the US and it's government. Do you think that Vietnam era protesters were racist because they burned the American flag even though most of them were white people born in the US. Do you simply think everything done by none white people is racially motivated. Seriously what about burning a US flag seems racist to you?
Quote: billryanTrump is racist for saying Mexicans are rapist and drug dealers.
This was not what I asked. I asked if you think protecting the border is racist. Is wanting to protect the border racist? (I am tired tonight but maybe another time can explain Mexican drug cartels and get some stats on how many illegals are in prison for drug and rape charges.) Do you consider disrespecting the Mexican flag racist?
Quote:As for the rest, in my short time here I've seen enough of your posts to realize there's no point in attempting a discussion.
If all you are going to do is give liberal talking points then probably not. If you want an intelligent debate to challenge yourself you might want to try. I tell it like it is.
Quote: TwirdmanTrump condemned an entire race of people by calling Mexicans coming over rapist and drug dealers and saying a judge born and raised in the US cannot properly preside over his trial because he is of Mexican heritage. Those are the actions of a racist.
No, he condemned a subgroup of criminals. I am guessing you have not heard of what the cartels are doing? Landowners cannot go on their own ranches and oil pipelines cannot be worked on. It is a dangerous place. As to the judge, who really cares. People try to get judges recused all the time.
Quote:Burning the flag has no explicit racial overtones. It is a form of protest against the US and it's government. Do you think that Vietnam era protesters were racist because they burned the American flag even though most of them were white people born in the US. Do you simply think everything done by none white people is racially motivated. Seriously what about burning a US flag seems racist to you?
Sorry, but burning a US flag while waving a Mexican one on US soil and at the same time calling it Mexican soil has absolute racial overtones. If you cannot see that I really cannot explain it. As to the part about nonwhite vs white, I am just responding in kind to what liberals and minorities always do when a white person does something they do not like. If it was whites attacking a bunch of black Obama supporters the cries of "racism" would be deafening, But in the USA a white attacks a black at a rally and ii is a hate crime, blacks and Mexicans attack whites and the victims get blamed.
Quote: AZDuffmanSorry, but burning a US flag while waving a Mexican one on US soil and at the same time calling it Mexican soil has absolute racial overtones. .
What if it was a Canadian burning a US flag while waving a Canadian flag and calling it Canadian soil?
(other than a contentious hockey game what would that be?)
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, he condemned a subgroup of criminals. I am guessing you have not heard of what the cartels are doing? Landowners cannot go on their own ranches and oil pipelines cannot be worked on. It is a dangerous place. As to the judge, who really cares. People try to get judges recused all the time.
His quote wasn't just talking about cartels though.
Quote: TrumpWhen Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
That looks like he is talking about the majority of Mexicans coming over. Also everyone does it is not an excuse to use racist rhetoric to get a judge removed from court.
Quote: AZDuffmanSorry, but burning a US flag while waving a Mexican one on US soil and at the same time calling it Mexican soil has absolute racial overtones. If you cannot see that I really cannot explain it. As to the part about nonwhite vs white, I am just responding in kind to what liberals and minorities always do when a white person does something they do not like. If it was whites attacking a bunch of black Obama supporters the cries of "racism" would be deafening, But in the USA a white attacks a black at a rally and ii is a hate crime, blacks and Mexicans attack whites and the victims get blamed.
How is it racist? Flag burning is not racist. Plenty of non racial protest use flag burning. Even calling it Mexican soil doesn't make it racist. It is an anti-American protest. It is a protest calling into question current American borders, but it is not racist.
Quote: rxwineWhat if it was a Canadian burning a US flag while waving a Canadian flag and calling it Canadian soil?
(other than a contentious hockey game what would that be?)
It would be a guy pocking his teeth up off the ground.
I would think the same of it.
I thought Canada was going to have the illegal alien problem when all the omegas flee POTUS Trump.
I am very curious how all the lefties will call Trump a racist but not these Mexicans in San Jose.
