2016 Election -- Part II
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The Starbucks/BofA violated seem to have been the ones on the block of my former office building, near McPherson Square. The tear gassing was about a quarter mile away, at 12th and K. Both very dismaying and detracting from whatever point the protesters were trying to make (there were over 100 protest permits granted for this weekend; ours is only one of those).
I won't be in DC, I'll be at a sister march. Antarctica did have at least one; those in Europe should be going right now. Sydney, Australia reported 8000 marchers, Christchurch about 2000, haven't seen any other numbers yet. Should be interesting.
Oh, and thanks for granting me permission to exercise my First Amendment rights. Yeesh. Lol...
Quote: beachbumbabsOh, and thanks for granting me permission to exercise my First Amendment rights. Yeesh. Lol...
I am sorry, but that is one of the most stupid and condescending remarks you have written here.
I was talking about protesting in general, not you protesting. I know that you are smart enough to know that yet, you still had to make that kind of a comment because the comment mildly talked about today's event. Realistically, I could give two shits what you do our don't do today. My point was completely about having peaceful protests, peacefully getting arrested if someone feels the need, and not equating criminal behavior with protest.
I encourage EVERYONE to protest if they feel so inclined. The problem with just protesting, for every single protest issue, is that just the protest may not do anything but be a feel good moment. It often comes down to what protest group actually does the hard work for their cause before, during, and after the protest.
Good day.
Quote: NathanI hope that Donald Trump will admit he didn't REALLY expect to win, was just playing in the election and being President is way too daunting for him and step down and say that Hillary Clinton was the one who was really supposed to win and let her be the President.
That is not even remotely possible.
Hillary has held her last government position; she and Bill are done as far as government work. They should work on their legacy through their foundation and other things.
Since many black women have mixed feelings about this march I am going to compare this to what would have happened in white men marched against Obama in 09. Que the media and the all that's missing is the white robes comments.
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/jia-tolentino/the-somehow-controversial-womens-march-on-washington
"You go honey to your little rally with your friends to protest whatever you are protesting. No hurry to come home, in fact why not stay overnight. You deserve it."
Quote: beachbumbabsCrowd in DC tomorrow, which will be bigger, will also be augmented by more than 600 sister marches around the country, and on every continent (not sure about Antarctica). I expect we'll be well over a million, could be even bigger than that. I'm guessing 2 million US, nearly that again in Europe, couple hundred thousand elsewhere.
For example, only 200 buses booked parking at RFK for the Inauguration. More than 1400 have reservations for tomorrow for the march.
This will be showing of the loyal opposition
Americans that love this country so much they feel they have to speak up and protest the government that is supposed to of, by and for the people.
I am sure Trump will miss that, seethe and probably tweet something hateful
I was fine with the tea party DC protests against Obama.
Protesting is an American tradition
Will conservatives be ok with today's protest?
Quote: terapined
Protesting is an American tradition
Will conservatives be ok with today's protest?
As long as they are lawful and peaceful? Yes!
Of course it's all going to turn into riots & looting. CNN & MSNBC is going to be playing footage of these people getting rekt by policemen and they'll be crying because they're not allowing idiots to burn buildings to the ground.
Quote: RS
Of course it's all going to turn into riots & looting. CNN & MSNBC is going to be playing footage of these people getting rekt by policemen and they'll be crying because they're not allowing idiots to burn buildings to the ground.
Watching right now on TV
Its a worldwide event and so far pretty peaceful :-)
Quote: terapinedWill conservatives be ok with today's protest?
Overall, yes. Of course, if they say things people disagree with, people may challenge their views. That is not the same as opposing the act of protesting.
Quote: RonCOverall, yes. Of course, if they say things people disagree with, people may challenge their views. That is not the same as opposing the act of protesting.
I get the feeling Trump opposes the act of protesting Trump
This is the most thin skinned President ever
Can he contain himself on twitter today?
we shall see
Quote: terapinedWatching right now on TV
Its a worldwide event and so far pretty peaceful :-)
Mostly women and Michael Moore. I do hope they get the right to vote they are protesting for.
Melissa: "Uhh, we gotta do something, I just wanna I just wanted to support our rights to....fight for our rights....that sounded so stupid."
Fred: "Uh, enjoying myself. Marching with the women. My wife made me [come out today]."
Ya-el: "Supporting all these great causes and making it known to the president that he can't just ignore our voices."
2 girls who say they didn't watch the inauguration yesterday: "It's about representation you gotta show up to what matters to you and yesterday the inauguration wasn't important as showing up today for civil rights."
Then the reporter ends it off with saying Hillary Clinton won more votes than Trump......and the lady in HQ says "what great interviews".
Ahaahaaa, can't stop laughing at all this.
Hopefully when I get home tonight, it'll at least still be peaceful. I guess we shall see.
Quote: RSLOL, MSNBC just did some interviews with people in LA protests.
Melissa: "Uhh, we gotta do something, I just wanna I just wanted to support our rights to....fight for our rights....that sounded so stupid."
Fred: "Uh, enjoying myself. Marching with the women. My wife made me [come out today]."
Ya-el: "Supporting all these great causes and making it known to the president that he can't just ignore our voices."
2 girls who say they didn't watch the inauguration yesterday: "It's about representation you gotta show up to what matters to you and yesterday the inauguration wasn't important as showing up today for civil rights."
Then the reporter ends it off with saying Hillary Clinton won more votes than Trump......and the lady in HQ says "what great interviews".
Ahaahaaa, can't stop laughing at all this.
Hopefully when I get home tonight, it'll at least still be peaceful. I guess we shall see.
I think this group will stay peaceful, it's more the young angry hipsters with degrees and no jobs who cause the problems.
Adding to your feedback, CNN is pushing less educated women voted for Trump and the smart ones are out here today.
Honestly I dont think most know what Trump even stands for, only he is an older white man and damn some of these militants are against them.
And please get a dress for the guy who said his wife made him come. Oh wait, they don't wear dresses anymore. What some guys will do for a piece of ass!
What exactly are they protesting?
Do they know that one founder of the march is pro Sharia?
Where were their protests when hundreds of women were sexually attacked and assaulted in Cologne ?
Where are they when Saudi Arabia punished rape victims?
These people are confused and blinded by ignorance. They want to practice their first amendment right but then roll over to their previous fearless leader when he implemented a tax on them for choosing not to purchase a government mandated product (ACA health insurance).
Ohh...and where were they for Hillary's rallies?
Also, the Rothschild, Soros financial elite that are funding these sheep today are the same group that funded the original Russian communists 100 years ago.
On the bright side there are a lot of husbands and boyfriends that get to do what they want today... ;-)
Quote: RSLost my damn post, my computer trynna mess with me now. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z_nBhfpmk4
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/
The glitch in the explanations, is, if the smaller business ISPs aren't in favor of dumping it, it leads me to suspect it is anti-competitive. If it favors big businesses over small, that is anti-competitive. Why would anyone be for getting rid of it? Well, except big business.
Quote: BozAMS and ME are awfully quiet today. I wonder where they could be???
I used to live in Maryland
DC is a great place to get exercise riding my bike
Its especially fun when there is a huge protest in DC
It can be a real fun party with a lot of people regardless of the issue
Its about living life outside a virtual world.
My recommendation, get off the couch :-)
The numbers today are huge
Far larger then any of the small tea party protests lol
Quote: BozAMS and ME are awfully quiet today. I wonder where they could be???
I was at Greektown casino in Detroit.
While I am so proud of all the millions of women protesting today, hell would literally have to freeze over before I ever join in a protest of any kind. That's just not my cup of tea.
Quote: mcallister3200Any irony in the guy who talks about the people at protests not having jobs to go to sitting on the Internet almost all the time just being a condescending troll?
Care to quote whoever it is, that you are implying is a "condescending troll"? Otherwise, it appears that you might be trolling.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/21/ashley-judd-says-donald-trump-has-wet-dreams-about-his-daughter-video/#ixzz4WQnQ9YBK
Wow. I listened to her whole speech. She is one disgusting individual. It was kind of funny how disgusting she was while criticizing behavior that she considered disgusting by Trump.
The other thing I noted was how prominent Jabba the Hut was in the festivities. I would have thought that women would have been in all of the visible positions in a women's march.
Many other speeches in other locations were much better...
Quote: MaxPenCare to quote whoever it is, that you are implying is a "condescending troll"? Otherwise, it appears that you might be trolling.
Not talking about you. Should be super obvious for anyone that doesn't have their right/left only blinders on.
Yeah I know he allegedly owns a business, but considering own use of time it should be obvious that people can find free time if they want to, to do whatever worthless things they want.
Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump accuses media of lying about inauguration crowds, wrongly says crowd reached Washington monument
Care to defend your President's delusional lie, righties?
Quote: mcallister3200Not talking about you. Should be super obvious for anyone that doesn't have their right/left only blinders on.
Get a set of balls and call out who you are calling "trolling ". Trust me, I'm a big boy and can take it if you are talking about me. And if you not, I'm sure the person you are talking about can also handle it. Why is it only trolling when talking about left. Those who bash Trump are just doing a public service?
Quote: ams288I was at Greektown casino in Detroit.
While I am so proud of all the millions of women protesting today, hell would literally have to freeze over before I ever join in a protest of any kind. That's just not my cup of tea.
Well I hope you won. And I'm with you. I get the right but also love my right to complain about it.
Quote: BozGet a set of balls and call out who you are calling "trolling ". Trust me, I'm a big boy and can take it if you are talking about me. And if you not, I'm sure the person you are talking about can also handle it. Why is it only trolling when talking about left. Those who bash Trump are just doing a public service?
In his mind, he can't because then he would be suspended for violating site rules...lol
Maybe he really thinks, he didn't personally insult you, by calling you a "condescending troll". But yep, sure enough did.
It appears to be acceptable to call some members trolls depending on which side of an issue you appear.
Quote: RonCWow. I listened to her whole speech. .
Good for you. I guess you don't understand irony from your response.
Quote:It was kind of funny how disgusting she was while criticizing behavior that she considered disgusting by Trump.
Quote: MaxPenIn his mind, he can't because then he would be suspended for violating site rules...lol
Maybe he really thinks, he didn't personally insult you, by calling you a "condescending troll". But yep, sure enough did.
It appears to be acceptable to call some members trolls depending on which side of an issue you appear.
The difference is I/We can take it and don't go crying about suspensions.
Quote: BozThe difference is I/We can take it and don't go crying about suspensions.
Yeah, I'm all about giving him a pass as well. All one has to do is tune into CNN and take a look at the reporters eyes and facial expressions. These types are clearly shell shocked.
I can relate.
Quote: rxwineGood for you. I guess you don't understand irony from your response.
I understand irony; I just didn't see her speech as being good or furthering the cause (as many of them did).
Nothing much new got said here in this thread, so not much to respond to. You are who you are.
My rally was a small one, a little less than 1000 people. But a lot of people went to a couple larger marches a couple hours away. Same messages as the headliners at the big rallies, got signed up for more activism, instructions on what else needs to be done.
Nice numbers, huh? Preliminary estimates for Wash DC are over half a million, Chicago over 150k, NYC over 250k. Still being evaluated everywhere. Washington ended up being a rally, not a march, because the crowd filled virtually the entire 2 mile march route. How many people does it take to fill 4 to 6 lane streets for 2MILES?
Be sure to continue to ignore and disparage what's all around you. More fuel for the fire as we continue to get organized and energized. So far, that's what Trump has done; we'll see how that works out.
And the men who supported this are not manginas. They're men who are trying to raise a family, have special needs children, are offended by Trump's objectifying women (and yes, leching after his own daughter), care about losing Obamacare, do not like the Republican platform rolling back hard-won civil rights, want to stay married to the person they love, and/or a dozen other reasons.
Not any one reason to be there for most people. But a lot of good reasons that crystallized into one big activist response, especially by those under 30, who took a lot of their rights for granted before the election.
Should be an interesting 4 years. This is reminding me of my childhood and the rise of activism in the 60s.
When someone starts the conversation with that statement, it makes it hard to think they'll have anything worthwhile to say after that.
I hope exactly the same thing today as I did eight years ago--I hope the duly elected President does a good job, works well with others, and gets things done. We'll see what happens.
The interesting thing is that BOTH crowds were similar in one way--the crowds looked very white.
Quote: RonCI hope exactly the same thing today as I did eight years ago--I hope the duly elected President does a good job, works well with others, and gets things done. We'll see what happens.
Partly depends on whether the Republicans do the same thing they complained about. Try to pass partisan legislation.
You were one of the ones who specifically complained about the Democrats not passing everything when they had the most control, and I can guarantee if the Republicans do exactly that, it will not be harmonious.
So, what do you want? Republicans to pass partisan legislation or work with the other side?
If you're interested, the organization is tracking the Sister marches here:
https://www.womensmarch.com/sisters
I genuinely don't know how they're counting, but supposedly they're compiling on-site reports, pictures, and official estimates from around the world.
This is very heartening, I must say.
Quote: RonCI think the march today had many more attendees than the crowd yesterday.
The interesting thing is that BOTH crowds were similar in one way--the crowds looked very white.
Not sure what pictures you're looking at, but the march pix I'm seeing are very mixed race, and where I went was majority - minorities. The inauguration, otoh, you're definitely right - lily white.
Quote: rxwine
So, what do you want? Republicans to pass partisan legislation or work with the other side?
I want them to work with the other side. When one party has all 3 branches it worries me. In this particular case it might not be as bad as possible, because Trump is not really a Republican. I think on many issues a few 'regular' Republican Senators and Congressmen might side with the Democrat minority. With Obama, for the very short time he had all 3, no Democrat would go against him, hence the passage of the ACA.
New press secretary Spicer just came out and yelled at the media for reporting on the marchers and the crowd sizes. His first press briefing, petty whining about reporting the truth, refused to take questions. Nice. Starting out very badly.
Wow: the Greek writer Aristophanes really understood people, even if it was almost 2500 years ago.
I've always wondered why women haven't torn a page out of his "Lysistrata" play book?
Ladies, if you REALLY want to change the world and make men do your bidding, it's simple: "no nookie 4U til you guys come around to our way of thinking."
Quote: beachbumbabsNot sure what pictures you're looking at, but the march pix I'm seeing are very mixed race, and where I went was majority - minorities. The inauguration, otoh, you're definitely right - lily white.
I saw color in both crowds, thank you, but not what I would consider enough in either.
I watched MSNBC and Fox for a couple of hours and the crowds did not look all that different in color, but they did in gender.
I did not see photos from every location, but I saw what I saw.
Quote: mcallister3200If I really need to spell it out and name names we can add stupid to the list too. Like I give a shit if I'm suspended. I just took a huge dump in a trash can outside some dumpy dive bar with craft beers and pizza in the armpit of America known as eastern PA, just because Im am American and yes I can.
Not going to suspend you at this point, but I am going to warn you. Ad hominem attacks of a personal insult nature are not ok. Argue the substance of the post as vigorously (non-profanely) as you need to, but don't insult the member. Thank you.
Quote: MrVI really enjoyed one particular college course: "Greek and Roman comedy in translation."
Wow: the Greek writer Aristophanes really understood people, even if it was almost 2500 years ago.
I've always wondered why women haven't torn a page out of his "Lysistrata" play book?
Ladies, if you REALLY want to change the world and make men do your bidding, it's simple: "no nookie 4U til you guys come around to our way of thinking."
I've been avoiding mentioning this particular reference. I appreciate that you did, however.
Quote: beachbumbabsNew press secretary Spicer just came out and yelled at the media for reporting on the marchers and the crowd sizes. His first press briefing, petty whining about reporting the truth, refused to take questions. Nice. Starting out very badly.
Do you really expect the Trump team to stop attacking the press when they feel the press has lied?
Honestly, I am not sure that the truth isn't somewhere in the middle regarding crowd size. I think that some outlets (mostly googled national press stuff) is underestimating today's crowds. For DC, at least, it became easier to have inaccurate info once the Park Service stopped estimating crowd sizes officially (any figures from them are not official, unless something changed very recently).
I also believe that the pictures used did not portray the actual crowd yesterday accurately. The look like crowd shots earlier in the day when I was wondering where the crowd was, too. Seems like screening slowed things down, based on both observation and reports from folks I know who either worked the event or attended it.
Quote: beachbumbabsI've been avoiding mentioning this particular reference. I appreciate that you did, however.
Why would you avoid it?
The "sex urge" is pretty much always there with men: women know this.
Hello, 800 pound gorilla in the corner.
Quote: beachbumbabsNot going to suspend you at this point, but I am going to warn you. Ad hominem attacks of a personal insult nature are not ok. Argue the substance of the post as vigorously (non-profanely) as you need to, but don't insult the member. Thank you.
Thanks Babs and I know you have to follow the rules but I can take it. Granted most don't dump in the trash can but I've had a few that peed outside. I still got their money either way, then I throw them permanently and move on.
That's the great thing about America, everyone has the right to build their business any way they want. If you work hard, make the right choices and have a product people want, you will do fine. And if you don't, you will fail and you live with the results.
I always tell applicants and employees I can't teach you common sense or work ethic. Bring those 2 things and there is nothing I can't teach you. Not bragging but I have 5 former employees who now own their own restaurants they either purchased off me or I helped them open. And all are still open and doing ok. Some better than other because some rested on their laurels and don't work as hard as they used to. Sometimes it's human nature and others still do the 60-70 hours a week it takes.
I see success and failure everyday and in almost every case it comes down to those 2 things, work ethic and common sense. I may have oversimplified things and yes there are some things a higher education is needed for, I get it. But there is so much opportunity out there that many don't see. Much easier to blame the government or someone else. And that happens on both sides of the political spectrum in America.
Long rant, but either way I have a thick skin and can take it and give it just the same. If something thinks calling my business a dump and my home area an armpit is going to hurt me, they need to read a little deeper.
Quote: RonCDo you really expect the Trump team to stop attacking the press when they feel the press has lied?
Huh? You're giving the Trump team waaaaay too much credit.
They know the crowd sizes were accurately reported yesterday. They were tiny compared to previous inaugurations.
Spicer's embarrassing little press conference had one purpose: stroke Donald's bruised ego.
He actually said this:
"That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period. Both in person and around the globe."
THAT IS A LIE. It's not up for a debate. If the press points out that is a blatant lie and the Trump team gets mad.... too damn bad.
It's why us lefties kept pointing out the crowd size and mocking it yesterday: it was obvious that this is where we'd end up, with the trump team blatantly lying about it.
