2016 Election -- Part II

Quote: ams288

Are you sentencing them to death?

Quote: SanchoPanza

Nothing like the significant sum that Paula Jones won.

Quote: ncfatcat

Yes the unintended? consequence of running Government like a business - get rid of the poor, ill, disabled - in other words if you can't make a profit for your Government "YOU'RE FIRED"

Quote: ams288

I feel like it'd be easy to trick Donald into supporting Single Payer as long as it was just called TrumpCare.

Quote: 777

I'm clueless about what you want express in one sentence. Come on, don't be a coward, just say what you want to say about Clinton. Don't be afraid, Clinton will not sue you for libel (Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer).

Trump is a racist, sexist, and rapist. Just say it.

If Ivana decides to re-litigate the rape charge, then Trump’s chance of conviction in the criminal court would vastly increase if Trump’s sex tape, and his many others public admissions are admissible evidences in court. With all the corroborating evidences, who would the jury believe (assuming Trumpers are not part of the jury panel): Ivana or Trump?

Quote: SanchoPanza

After this morning, Jack Ma might just decide to buy BA.

Quote: 777

Let’s not be confused between the court of law and the court of public opinion, especially the court of public opinion in a politically charged environment.

In the court of public opinion, any political candidate running for office could be one thing to one side and something else to the other based on individual or collective of evidences from public sources, and it is up to the voters to decide. My position of Trump as a racist, sexist, and rapist are based on collection of real evidences, but not the fake news or fabricated evidences. If there are evidences that show that Ivana's and the child's accusations were fabricated by them, then my position on Trump as a rapist will be re-evaluated accordingly.

Quote: SanchoPanza

I'll say what I want to say, thank you. I'll even explain for people who can't recall or deal with recent history. Clinton's sexual escapades incurred court suits, federal investigations, perjury and almost $2 million in penalties, leaviing the family dead broke, according to his spouse.

Quote: SOOPOO

Please cite the reference where he was convicted of such crime? Please cite the reference where any jurisdiction has charged DJT with a sex crime?
If all you have is a buffoon bragging to a loser that he could do to women as he pleases, then yeah, he is a buffoon, but his babbling about it does make it true.
So, ME, if you want to say "anyone who would say what DJT said should not be President", it would be hard to argue with you. But to continually claim he ACTUALLY committed the crime is not necessarily true.

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: 777

Let’s not be confused between the court of law and the court of public opinion, especially the court of public opinion in a politically charged environment.

In the court of public opinion, any political candidate running for office could be one thing to one side and something else to the other based on individual or collective of evidences from public sources, and it is up to the voters to decide. My position of Trump as a racist, sexist, and rapist are based on collection of real evidences, but not the fake news or fabricated evidences. If there are evidences that show that Ivana's and the child's accusations were fabricated by them, then my position on Trump as a rapist will be re-evaluated accordingly.

I will say that Ivana's was a business move. The others are likely a combination of trying to get a rich man's money, and some inappropriate behavior on DJT's part. More likely the former. Nether you nor I can really know which is true. (I am only addressing the rapist part).

I think people throw around the racist word too much. I would like to find a man who is not sexist, depending on how broad you want to make your definition.

Quote: 777

[ For example, as you read through this entire 2016 Election thread, many had convicted Hillary of treason over the email issue, and she was also convicted of murder by many here regarding the Benghazi incident. And hypocritically, these same people demand absolute hard evidence when it comes to Trump's rape accusation.

Quote: MathExtremist

Yes, anyone who would say what DJT has said should not be President. And anyone who gives him a pass for saying that stuff doesn't reflect the values of our country.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Quote: 777

[ For example, as you read through this entire 2016 Election thread, many had convicted Hillary of treason over the email issue, and she was also convicted of murder by many here regarding the Benghazi incident. And hypocritically, these same people demand absolute hard evidence when it comes to Trump's rape accusation.

One major difference between the Trump and Clinton questions is that Clinton was the subject of a major federal criminal investigation that lasted more than a year and involved more than 100 F.B.I. agents. Not so much with the Trump narrative. Yet another false equivalency.

Quote: ams288

Because.... wait for it... they will lose coverage.



What if they can't afford it (please spare me the fantasy examples about them affording iPhones but not insurance)? What if they have a pre-existing condition that prevented them from getting coverage before the ACA?

Are you sentencing them to death?

Quote: 777

Since Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3,000,000 ballots, it is comfortable to know that majority of American people still maintain a common decency, and the values of our country, although severely damage by Trumpers, are still embraced by majority of the American people.

Quote: terapined

I see republicans are desperate to dig up dirt on Streep
The latest
They are accusing her of clapping at an awards show regarding Roman Polanski
They are accusing her of supporting a child molester.
HMM
Jack Nicholson actually starred in Chinatown that Roman directed
lol
Is the right gonna go after Jack and so they are not hypocrites
Be careful righties, Jack is a pretty cool guy

Quote: MaxPen

Time to stop whining and get something accomplished.

Quote: MaxPen

Time to stop whining and get something accomplished.

Quote: ams288

I feel like it'd be easy to trick Donald into supporting Single Payer as long as it was just called TrumpCare.

Quote: MathExtremist

I'm not making the claim. These women are making the claim:

Quote: Boz

They never will stop. Trump threatens their belief that Americans need liberal policies to survive. And you could never make it without them.

Quote: RS

"Public opinion" doesn't make someone a rapist or not.

Quote: MaxPen

Watching the Trump haters continuing to grasp at straws is becoming inherently difficult to deal with. It is sad to realize how many are part of the problem. There are numerous people who have apparently been deceived, beyond comprehension. If one isn't capable of seeing the previous 8 years of damage from the predecessor, who accepted the presidency illegally I might add, they have lost all credibility in the intelligence department.

Quote: ams288

How did he accept the Presidency illegally?

I can't wait to hear this load of B.S.!

Quote: Donald J. Trump

Obama was born in the United States. Period.

Quote: Boz

Just calling a her overrated old hag will work too. She looks like Hillary and never had a box office hit.

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Just like ME, the Hollywood elite have no clue how most of America feels.

Quote: lilredrooster

This is off the subject, and I'm not saying anything about Trump and these charges. But what is totally incredible to me is that the a great % of the public will forgive a celebrity who has been convicted of rape or other sexual assault charges. It's as if people have stars in their eyes. Mike Tyson, a convicted rapist recently had a broadway show. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin. After that was exposed he was still much loved in the U.S. Chuck Berry did jail time for traveling with a 14 year old girl. People still love him. Ben Rothlisberger was was twice accused of sexual assault and although never charged he apologized to one of the victims. Ben is a great hero in steeltown. Famous director Roman Polanski raped a child and couldn't be extradited and they love him in Europe. There are so many other examples. IT'S INCREDIBLE.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Democrat operatives bursting forth at the height of the campaign for their five minutes. Never to be heard from again. Not very substantive and totally not corroborated.

Quote: 777

I’m all for redemption and 2nd chance. Time heals all wounds, and people can change and be reformed, and we should allow those who made mistakes rebuild their lives to be productive in society. Yes, a pedophile, rapist, and Trump deserves a second chance and can be forgiven in due course, but we normally don’t let a pedophile or rapist work with children or be close to Aimee.

It is reasonable to have one normal standard for ordinary citizens, and a much higher standard for those who can have great impact to the society, or can influence the lives of hundreds of millions. Time heals all wounds, and with time Trump’s bad conducts can be forgiven, but allowing a racist, sexist, and rapist Trump to be in a position of power, and to destroy our common decency is a great mistake. It is hard to imagine that a racist, sexist, and rapist Trump is now president-elect. IT'S INCREDIBLE.

Quote: MathExtremist

Oh, so you didn't bother to read the articles, then? Several of those accusations were made long before Trump ran for president, and Trump himself has corroborated some of them. Openly, boastfully, and on tape.

Quote: MathExtremist

Do you think that constantly deflecting to Clinton's sexual escapades over 20 years ago makes Trump's actions somehow forgivable? Does it make you feel better?

Quote: RogerKint

Well it happened. Just continue venting your hatred here. I'd hate for you to do something horrific in real life like other haters have done.

Quote: RogerKint

Well it happened. Just continue venting your hatred here. I'd hate for you to do something horrific in real life like other haters have done.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Quote: MathExtremist

Oh, so you didn't bother to read the articles, then? Several of those accusations were made long before Trump ran for president, and Trump himself has corroborated some of them. Openly, boastfully, and on tape.

The absence of even a single citation is noted.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Seeing as how most of the accusations against Trump supposedly involve incidents from 20 or so years ago, it appears, unsurprisingly, that the proverbial double standard is once again being invoked. It is more than safe to say that such a ploy would not be tolerated in fields like, say, chemistry or mathematics.

Quote: MathExtremist

Quote: SanchoPanza

Quote: MathExtremist

Oh, so you didn't bother to read the articles, then? Several of those accusations were made long before Trump ran for president, and Trump himself has corroborated some of them. Openly, boastfully, and on tape.

The absence of even a single citation is noted.

And incorrectly so: there were plenty of citations in the articles you didn't read. Here's the New Yorker link again. Maybe you'll click on it this time:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-and-the-truth-the-sexual-assault-allegations
You can lead a horse to water but apparently you can't make him stop drinking the Kool-Aid. If you can't be bothered to read his own words when they impugn his decency, blame yourself. Maybe it makes you feel better to think that Trump isn't a sexual pervert or liar, but he's on the record demonstrating otherwise.

Quote: terapined

??????????
Twitter was not around 20 years ago
All the latest mocking is due to his tweets
I follow him on twitter due to the comedy :-)

Quote: MathExtremist

How many movies have you been in that grossed $100M? She's been in six, and her films have a lifetime gross of over $2 billion dollars. That puts her in the top 100 all time, just above Anthony Hopkins, and ahead of both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Alan Rickman (RIP). Criticize the woman for her looks if you will (Trump does it, why shouldn't you?) but don't pretend for a second that she's not a fabulously successful actress.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=merylstreep.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/?view=Actor&pagenum=2&sort=sumgross&order=DESC&&p=.htm



I know how you and a lot of Trump supporters feel. Jubilant, hopeful, and defiant. Angry and emphatic.

That will give way to despair and disappointment in about six months. You've elected a man whose policies will financially benefit me and not you, yet ironically, you support that and I don't.

Some chess players can see several moves ahead and know that they're going to lose long before the first check is given. Other players are too focused on their last favorable exchange to see what's coming in the bigger picture, but that won't stop them from losing.

Electing Trump has made us all losers. You just can't see it yet. Our king will fall shortly, that's a given. What I don't know is who's playing the other side.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Walking backstage at beauty pageants in no way constitutes corroboration of accusations of sexual harassment. The desperation is noted.

Quote: Boz

Lots quoted there but I feel very confident I will also do just fine under President Trump. If you feel so bad about benefiting from it, perhaps you should consider changing fields. After all money isn't everything. Why not give it all up and join a charity? Oh wait, I forgot, we need you to us how to live our lives.

Quote: MathExtremist

It'll be really interesting once foreign governments realize that all they have to do to grind our administration to a halt is hire a few high-profile propagandists to constantly criticize Trump on Twitter. He'll spend all his time responding and will have none left to run the country.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs: "Sir, a small Russian infantry division has crossed the border from Mexicali and is currently occupying El Centro. How shall we respond?"
Trump: "Never mind that, I'm on Twitter. Alec Baldwin said a nasty thing about me, and then I have to reply to Bruce Springsteen and Madonna. Those losers."

Quote: AxelWolf

At least he wouldn't be too sick or tired to respond at all.

Quote: RogerKint

Well it happened. Just continue venting your hatred here. I'd hate for you to do something horrific in real life like other haters have done.

Quote: MathExtremist

You clearly aren't a father of daughters. If you were a father of girls, the thought of a rich older man leering at your naked, teenaged daughter in a beauty pageant dressing room would skeeve you out. But I'm sure you think it was just fine that he walked in on a girl's dressing room as the owner of a beauty pageant, just like you think it's just fine that he talks about dating his daughter or stiffs his contractors or promises if elected to investigate Hillary and then says "just kidding" after he's elected. In your eyes, the man can do no wrong. Got it.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Once again, your wildly baseless assumption and perverted scenarios serve only to deflect from the real question about corroboration.

Quote: Howard Stern and Donald Trump

Co-host Robin Quivers then asked Trump if sleeping with the contestants could be construed as a conflict of interest.
"It could be a conflict of interest," Trump said. "But, you know, it's the kind of thing you worry about later, you tend to think about the conflict a little bit later on."
Stern then put on a fake foreign accent, saying that "some of these foreign girls" say hello "with vagina."
"Well, what you could also say is that, as the owner of the pageant, it's your obligation to do that," Trump said, before discussing how he got away with going backstage when the contestants were naked.
"Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it," Trump said. "You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good."
"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good," he added.