darkoz
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December 16th, 2018 at 2:19:03 PM permalink
Using another person's players card with their permission is NOT illegal

Not even in the state of Pennsylvania as previously surmised earlier in this thread

Soopoo your feelings on the subject dont matter. Only the law

Casinos absolutely feel the way you do btw but in the end what casinos feel doesn't matter either

They dont like card counters

They dont like people using other players cards with permission

Too bad. They can go play a violin. But they CANNOT pursue any legal ramifications under the law
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December 16th, 2018 at 5:50:50 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Using another person's players card with their permission is NOT illegal

Not even in the state of Pennsylvania as previously surmised earlier in this thread

Soopoo your feelings on the subject dont matter. Only the law

Casinos absolutely feel the way you do btw but in the end what casinos feel doesn't matter either

They dont like card counters

They dont like people using other players cards with permission

Too bad. They can go play a violin. But they CANNOT pursue any legal ramifications under the law

I don't disagree, however, everyone should do their own research in their own jurisdiction and confirm the laws and regulations.
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billryan
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December 16th, 2018 at 5:53:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't disagree, however, everyone should do their own research in their own jurisdiction and confirm the laws and regulations.



That's just silly. Why research something when there are a gazzilion experts just waiting to be helpful.
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darkoz
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December 16th, 2018 at 6:22:59 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

That's just silly. Why research something when there are a gazzilion experts just waiting to be helpful.
Remember- if it says so on the internet, does anything else matter?



No Axel has a valid point. I certainly have not researched 50 states individual laws. Who knows about backwards locales

I can personally attest that it is not illegal in New York or New Jersey or Pennsylvania at the very least

It doesnt even rate as a misdemeanor
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michael99000
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December 16th, 2018 at 6:54:47 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

No Axel has a valid point. I certainly have not researched 50 states individual laws. Who knows about backwards locales

I can personally attest that it is not illegal in New York or New Jersey or Pennsylvania at the very least

It doesnt even rate as a misdemeanor



Maybe Oklahoma is the only state where you can be arrested for using someone else’s players card
cyberbabble
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December 16th, 2018 at 10:36:43 PM permalink
The casino had the choice to not call in the regular police and file charges. There may be more to the story that caused them to react so harshly. How many cards were involved for example? Apparently the guy took multiple people to the casino and got them to sign up for cards, took the cards and started getting the freeplay. The casino wanted to make an example of him. If the guy had had his card and his wifes card, I doubt they would have made an issue of it.

I won't claim to be an expert on tribal law. All tribes will have some sort of agreement with the regular law enforcement. The tribe needs to be able to deal with actual crimes like cheating, robbery, murder, or whatever. If the tribe wants state charges they can probably find a way to do it. Things like fraud, identity theft, or whatever was used in this case.
darkoz
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December 16th, 2018 at 11:02:33 PM permalink
Quote: cyberbabble

The casino had the choice to not call in the regular police and file charges. There may be more to the story that caused them to react so harshly. How many cards were involved for example? Apparently the guy took multiple people to the casino and got them to sign up for cards, took the cards and started getting the freeplay. The casino wanted to make an example of him. If the guy had had his card and his wifes card, I doubt they would have made an issue of it.

I won't claim to be an expert on tribal law. All tribes will have some sort of agreement with the regular law enforcement. The tribe needs to be able to deal with actual crimes like cheating, robbery, murder, or whatever. If the tribe wants state charges they can probably find a way to do it. Things like fraud, identity theft, or whatever was used in this case.



If he was using cards with permission there was no fraud or theft

Amount of cards doesnt matter. If its not fraudulent to use one friends card its not fraudulent to use ten

I have been caught 3 times in 3 different states with other peoples cards in which I had downloaded offers. Said offers amounting to approximately $200-400 EACH card

One casino confiscated 10 cards
Another 8 cards
And one 24 players cards

You want to know what charges were brought against me in total

Zero!!!!!
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DRich
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December 17th, 2018 at 11:21:32 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz



Too bad. They can go play a violin. But they CANNOT pursue any legal ramifications under the law



That statement is 100% WRONG. They can definitely pursue legal ramifications although they most likely will not be successful.
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darkoz
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December 17th, 2018 at 1:14:14 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

That statement is 100% WRONG. They can definitely pursue legal ramifications although they most likely will not be successful.



I am talking about criminal charges

They cannot pursue those

Casinos dont get to make up laws or crimes

Perhaps they could try some civil proceedings and as you stated they would most likely not be successful
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Keyser
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December 17th, 2018 at 1:21:06 PM permalink
I suspect the original post on this thread was made up or there's missing a great deal of missing information involving the case.

If the story was true, the casino's name should have been brought into the open and if possible the full names of the management and security officers involved. Public pressure is important. You can't let these people hide behind or under rocks or teepees.

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