billryan
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:16:04 PM permalink
If I give someone a toaster they are free to give it to whomever they want. If I offer a toaster to person A as a reward for something and person B shows up and takes the toaster claiming to be person A, that is something different.
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AxelWolf
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:16:44 PM permalink
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.. the person who misuses thousands of player cards would be on the hook to pay back every penny earned not in his name.



Wrong!

Already had a casino try that.
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Deliberate or not, that's either a misquote or a misread. I did not say that "the person who misuses thousands of player cards would be on the hook to pay back every penny earned not in his name" as his clipped quotation implies - I said that continuing with the DarkOz misuse of rental car analogy (driving a rental car without being on the contract), the corollary would be that "the person who misuses thousands of player cards would be on the hook to pay back every penny earned not in his name."

If he's going to propose these mismatched metaphors or similes then he needs to carry them to their logical conclusion. Or realize that his analogies are misplaced - that driving a rental car with permission while not on the contract is not the same as what he is doing.

In any case, he misquoted me by making it seem like I meant something I did not.


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Ahhh, that was a misread.

Axel misread it also because he agreed with me a post or two later.

I thought you were saying a car lent out would result in the user being in the hook and that IS the same situation with players cards.

That's why I singled out that part of the quote.

I did add dots to show there was more to the quote.

Sorry I misunderstood.
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I don't think I missread anything. I was just pointing out that I didn't disagree on your views regarding this stuff. I don't think there's one simple answer that fits all jurisdictions and situations.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MDawg
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:18:16 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz


Axel misread it also because he agreed with me a post or two later.

I thought you were saying a car lent out would result in the user being in the hook and that IS the same situation with players cards.

That's why I singled out that part of the quote.

I did add dots to show there was more to the quote.

Sorry I misunderstood.
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No problem.

As far as AxelWolf...he has stated that he reads only 20% of what I post, and perhaps this applies to everything on the forum, so...no wonder.
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:23:27 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

In any case, he misquoted me by making it seem like I meant something I did not.

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Ahhh, that was a misread.
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In light of the acknowledgement and apology, can I consider this resolved?
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darkoz
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:25:29 PM permalink
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Quote: MDawg

In any case, he misquoted me by making it seem like I meant something I did not.

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Ahhh, that was a misread.
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In light of the acknowledgement and apology, can I consider this resolved?
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I'm good!!!
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darkoz
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:29:09 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

If I give someone a toaster they are free to give it to whomever they want. If I offer a toaster to person A as a reward for something and person B shows up and takes the toaster claiming to be person A, that is something different.
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Right!

The only difference is you didn't get to smile at the person you wanted too.

End result is the same!

I got the toaster meant for the other guy. Handed directly to him and he gives it to me or he handse his card and I pick.it up.

De facto, his giving me his pin and card is just another way of his picking up the toaster and handing it to me!
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MDawg
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November 24th, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM permalink
Yes, as I said,
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No problem.
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November 24th, 2021 at 1:06:19 PM permalink
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Theoritcally, a player redeeming free play in form of promotional chips, then giving the chips to another individual to play on behalf of them would be the same scenario, except its in the form of a slot or VP machine?
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Yes.

Or even a player getting a free toaster and giving it to someone else in the parking lot.

Or redeeming a free hotel stay and then letting someone else stay in the room.
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I've done that. Check in on behalf of a friend to use the room and most of the free giveaways, I will redeem it and give it away to the employees of the casino.

But the big difference is I have personally claimed the promotion then have given it away. Using someones players card to redeem the promo on behalf of someone else is totally different.
darkoz
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November 24th, 2021 at 1:54:15 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

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Theoritcally, a player redeeming free play in form of promotional chips, then giving the chips to another individual to play on behalf of them would be the same scenario, except its in the form of a slot or VP machine?
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Yes.

Or even a player getting a free toaster and giving it to someone else in the parking lot.

Or redeeming a free hotel stay and then letting someone else stay in the room.
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I've done that. Check in on behalf of a friend to use the room and most of the free giveaways, I will redeem it and give it away to the employees of the casino.

But the big difference is I have personally claimed the promotion then have given it away. Using someones players card to redeem the promo on behalf of someone else is totally different.
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Not legally.

People can "feel" it's different all they want.

My only concern is the law and it's not different.

The law does not address any difference (for use with players permission) between who picks up any given item or uses a players card.
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Hunterhill
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November 24th, 2021 at 1:58:35 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: MDawg

Quote: darkoz

Quote: MDawg

.. the person who misuses thousands of player cards would be on the hook to pay back every penny earned not in his name.



Wrong!

Already had a casino try that.
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Deliberate or not, that's either a misquote or a misread. I did not say that "the person who misuses thousands of player cards would be on the hook to pay back every penny earned not in his name" as his clipped quotation implies - I said that continuing with the DarkOz misuse of rental car analogy (driving a rental car without being on the contract), the corollary would be that "the person who misuses thousands of player cards would be on the hook to pay back every penny earned not in his name."

If he's going to propose these mismatched metaphors or similes then he needs to carry them to their logical conclusion. Or realize that his analogies are misplaced - that driving a rental car with permission while not on the contract is not the same as what he is doing.

In any case, he misquoted me by making it seem like I meant something I did not.


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Ahhh, that was a misread.

Axel misread it also because he agreed with me a post or two later.

I thought you were saying a car lent out would result in the user being in the hook and that IS the same situation with players cards.

That's why I singled out that part of the quote.

I did add dots to show there was more to the quote.

Sorry I misunderstood.
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I also thought thatís what MDawg meant
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