AlanMendelson
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November 23rd, 2021 at 12:20:40 AM permalink
We've had this debate before.

To the best of my knowledge all casinos say player club cards cannot be used by others.

And to the best of my knowledge I dont know of any law saying using another's casino card is a crime.

This can easily be resolved. If you believe it's a crime cite the law.

I remember checking the Nevada Gaming Regulations and I found nothing about using someone else's card to be a crime or even a violation.

Again, casinos can have their own club rules.
AxelWolf
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November 23rd, 2021 at 1:35:24 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

We've had this debate before.

To the best of my knowledge all casinos say player club cards cannot be used by others.

And to the best of my knowledge I dont know of any law saying using another's casino card is a crime.

This can easily be resolved. If you believe it's a crime cite the law.

I remember checking the Nevada Gaming Regulations and I found nothing about using someone else's card to be a crime or even a violation.

Again, casinos can have their own club rules.
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In other states people have been arrested for using other peoples cards with that person's permission and had significant legal bills. I don't know if anyone has ever been prosecuted. From what I know it's always been settled, dropped, or pleased down.
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AxelWolf
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November 23rd, 2021 at 1:35:29 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

We've had this debate before.

To the best of my knowledge all casinos say player club cards cannot be used by others.

And to the best of my knowledge I dont know of any law saying using another's casino card is a crime.

This can easily be resolved. If you believe it's a crime cite the law.

I remember checking the Nevada Gaming Regulations and I found nothing about using someone else's card to be a crime or even a violation.

Again, casinos can have their own club rules.
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In other states people have been arrested for using other peoples cards with that person's permission and had significant legal bills. I don't know if anyone has ever been prosecuted. From what I know it's always been settled, dropped, or pleased down.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Marcusclark66
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November 23rd, 2021 at 2:36:16 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

We've had this debate before.

To the best of my knowledge all casinos say player club cards cannot be used by others.

And to the best of my knowledge I dont know of any law saying using another's casino card is a crime.

This can easily be resolved. If you believe it's a crime cite the law.

I remember checking the Nevada Gaming Regulations and I found nothing about using someone else's card to be a crime or even a violation.

Again, casinos can have their own club rules.
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Yes, you are correct as far as I know and every been told or read by memo from corporate council and management. I would really like to see any state criminal law statute cited defining the crime.
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darkoz
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November 23rd, 2021 at 6:16:49 AM permalink
The "crime" usually is grouped under state laws called "Access Device" and is described as any device such as a card or pin activated mechanism whereby a company entitles a customer to temporary access to their electronic systems.

This groups credit cards with shoppers club cards and with casino cards.

These laws usually state that it IS a crime for anyone who is NOT authorized by the lending company to use the access device WITHOUT the express permission of the person authorized to use the access device.

The wording is usually something similar to that

Translation:. It's illegal to use someone else's player's card WITHOUT their permission!

Translation: It's NOT illegal to use it WITH their permission.
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darkoz
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November 23rd, 2021 at 6:23:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: AlanMendelson

We've had this debate before.

To the best of my knowledge all casinos say player club cards cannot be used by others.

And to the best of my knowledge I dont know of any law saying using another's casino card is a crime.

This can easily be resolved. If you believe it's a crime cite the law.

I remember checking the Nevada Gaming Regulations and I found nothing about using someone else's card to be a crime or even a violation.

Again, casinos can have their own club rules.
link to original post

In other states people have been arrested for using other peoples cards with that person's permission and had significant legal bills. I don't know if anyone has ever been prosecuted. From what I know it's always been settled, dropped, or pleased down.
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I haven't been in every state but I know Pennsylvania was a state of contention at one point.

A group of people were arrested and charged with using other people's cards. This came PRIOR to my own backroom at a Pennsylvania casino and once I proved I had the players permission was released same day with no arrest.

The people who did get arrested in the Pennsylvania case either were doing something different (uploading freeplay from employees or stealing pins) or didn't have the support of the players(that is the people whose cards they used didn't admit to giving permission to use the cards).
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Dieter
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November 23rd, 2021 at 6:36:20 AM permalink
"Not illegal" doesn't mean you won't experience a pain in the neck hassle from the ensuing ordeal.
May the cards fall in your favor.
darkoz
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November 23rd, 2021 at 8:04:11 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

"Not illegal" doesn't mean you won't experience a pain in the neck hassle from the ensuing ordeal.
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Even a dream vacation can become a pain in the neck ordeal.

Comps being turned off and sudden backrooms are part of the AP experience. I know what to expect and how to handle them.

Police officers may get shot in the line of duty. Soldiers in our army may get sent off to wars to return maimed or in body bags. Football players may get career cut short by broken bones.

You pick your career and deal with the consequences.

In my case the worst is a backroom, trespassing and offers I worked hard to obtain denied by the casino.

It's all baked in
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billryan
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November 23rd, 2021 at 8:13:27 AM permalink
I suppose when one makes $20,000 a week, one must put up with the minor inconveniences.
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SOOPOO
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November 23rd, 2021 at 8:26:28 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I suppose when one makes $20,000 a week, one must put up with the minor inconveniences.
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Exactly. DarkOz has found a lucrative career, but it is not all roses. Some of it is the thorns attached. My career had 24 hour shifts. Not as bad as being backroomed, but it sucked.

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