darkoz
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December 17th, 2018 at 11:13:39 PM permalink
When using another players card one has to ask who is the victim

When someone uses your credit card without authorization what do you say?

"I was the victim of credit card fraud. I was the victim of identity theft"

You dont say "someone stole my identity and credit card. The bank was the victim of credit card fraud"

The person whose name is on the card is the victim. They are the one who notifies police and fills out reports and complaints.

Naturally the bank is a co-victim but as the card holder you are the victim

And this is where casinos have a problem when their cards are used by other people with the cardholders permission

Those people are not victims. They will not testify for the casino they were victims (in fact all my people would be called on my behalf if it ever went to court)

Basically the casino now has to tell the judge and jury their customers were victimizing them by accepting their free gifts and letting someone else obtain them

Sorry but the victim simply is not the casino. They are giving offers. The players are saying they want to give them to others. The offers were "purchased" through past play.

In fact imo the casinos steal from thosr players by reneging on offers they promised. Essentially taking money with promises of hotels and gifts and then stealing by not delivering what was promised

I know they wont see it that way but casinos often have skewed views of reality so there you go
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December 18th, 2018 at 5:53:31 PM permalink
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I am talking about criminal charges

They cannot pursue those

Casinos dont get to make up laws or crimes

Perhaps they could try some civil proceedings and as you stated they would most likely not be successful



Partially correct.

CASINOS cannot make up laws or crimes.... BUT.... TRIBES can. When you are on a Reservation or Rancheria, you legally leave the State and go onto sovereign territory. The laws there can and will be very different than what they are outside the Rez.

Caveat Emptor.
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December 18th, 2018 at 6:14:12 PM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

Partially correct.

CASINOS cannot make up laws or crimes.... BUT.... TRIBES can. When you are on a Reservation or Rancheria, you legally leave the State and go onto sovereign territory. The laws there can and will be very different than what they are outside the Rez.

Caveat Emptor.



Yeah tribal casinos are tricky

Even Nersessian says stay away

Casinos outside the US are also exempt from my above comments

Probably my fault for being USA centric
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December 19th, 2018 at 2:10:28 AM permalink
It's simple. Just have the original owner of the card verbally tell the Player's Club Worker that he wants to allow his friend to use his Player's Card. A simple,"Hi, I'm Bill, this is my Player's Card, and here is my friend Tom. I want to allow Tom to use my Player's Card," is all there is to it. There is the possibility that the PC will say something like,"No, Sir, that's against Casino Rules and Regulations," and at that point it's a no go, but it wouldn't hurt to try to verbally say you want to allow a friend to use the card.
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December 19th, 2018 at 3:00:27 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

It's simple. Just have the original owner of the card verbally tell the Player's Club Worker that he wants to allow his friend to use his Player's Card. A simple,"Hi, I'm Bill, this is my Player's Card, and here is my friend Tom. I want to allow Tom to use my Player's Card," is all there is to it. There is the possibility that the PC will say something like,"No, Sir, that's against Casino Rules and Regulations," and at that point it's a no go, but it wouldn't hurt to try to verbally say you want to allow a friend to use the card.



Sage advice

Dont forget to mention you can also count down a double deck of cards in 6 seconds flat and are well respected in the Blackjack community. Is it okay if you wong out occasionally and do the Hi-lo count
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December 19th, 2018 at 9:08:09 AM permalink
Simple solutions for simple people. You could also ask the dealer to slow down. Explain that you are counting and he is too fast. If they object, go over their head. Casinos paramount reason for existing is to give their valued patrons a positive experience.
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December 19th, 2018 at 11:13:15 AM permalink
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Yeah tribal casinos are tricky

Even Nersessian says stay away

Casinos outside the US are also exempt from my above comments

Probably my fault for being USA centric



I believe the OP was about a casino in Oklahoma. 100% tribal. They have the ability to arrest, detain, and even try someone for what they consider is a crime on their territory.
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December 19th, 2018 at 11:17:42 AM permalink
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I believe the OP was about a casino in Oklahoma. 100% tribal. They have the ability to arrest, detain, and even try someone for what they consider is a crime on their territory.


There has to be some sort of state or federal imposed limitations?

They canít give someone a life sentence for spitting on sacred ground, correct?
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December 19th, 2018 at 11:22:56 AM permalink
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There has to be some sort of state or federal imposed limitations?

They canít give someone a life sentence for spitting on sacred ground, correct?



They have to be able to compete in the free market. If their laws are too restrictive (AKA something out of a Star Trek episode) then nobody will patronize their establishment.

As far as gaming is concerned, they have to adhere to a compact that they negotiate with the state.

As far as non-gaming is concerned, it gets murkier. I am not sure any tribe has tried to offer legalized prostitution for example.

This is taken from https://system.uslegal.com/tribal-governments/

Generally, states do not interfere with tribal governments. Congress, however, has the power to pass laws that govern Indian tribes and their members. Congress tries to make laws that help American Indians, while respecting each tribe's authority to pass its own laws and govern itself.
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December 19th, 2018 at 11:42:28 AM permalink
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They have to be able to compete in the free market. If their laws are too restrictive (AKA something out of a Star Trek episode) then nobody will patronize their establishment.

As far as gaming is concerned, they have to adhere to a compact that they negotiate with the state.

As far as non-gaming is concerned, it gets murkier. I am not sure any tribe has tried to offer legalized prostitution for example.

This is taken from https://system.uslegal.com/tribal-governments/

Generally, states do not interfere with tribal governments. Congress, however, has the power to pass laws that govern Indian tribes and their members. Congress tries to make laws that help American Indians, while respecting each tribe's authority to pass its own laws and govern itself.



Sounds like AP'ing a tribal casino is a real gamble :)
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