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pacomartin
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:16:04 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Also obviously I restrict myself to games that have the lowest possible house edge like blackjack, video poker, and craps (yes, I believe in dice setting which I've come to find out is as controversial as God's existence).



I think you can reasonably count on the majority of people on this thread to envision reasonable gambling as an interesting diversion for a priest. I imaging many priests are fairly scholarly and the details of probability are an interesting intellectual exercise. You should read "Beat the Dealer" from the 1960's, mostly for Professor Edward Thorpe's first hand account of scientifically developing advantage play for blackjack. Even though the principals are now well known, the first hand account is exciting.

My mother hates dice in particular, because my grandfather left his three children to be raised in abject poverty while he ran up gambling debts playing dice with the mob in the 1930's and 1940's. As far as she is concerned losing at gambling makes you angry, and winning at gambling makes you greedy and neither outcome is desirable. She is not going to be budged by any discussions of intellectual fascination.

My little brother is a minister in UCC and he finds dice fascinating. He enjoys winning.

It's obviously a difficult position to worry about your parishioners views of the world.
EvenBob
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:17:58 PM permalink
Quote: ItsCalledSoccer

But FWIW, my understanding of the saying is that you CAN do anything, but SHOULD you?



The key word in the quote is 'edify'. In this context,
it means 'does it instruct and improve' others. Gambling
does the polar opposite of instructing and improving
others.
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:30:09 PM permalink
Why are you asking us? Why not ask your god? If he says it's okay, then it's okay. If he doesn't answer, maybe he's not even there.
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boymimbo
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:39:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Actually, the religion of which he is a major player in,
says this:

'And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has” (Luke 12:42-44).

Thats a parable from Jesus himself. Being a wise steward of your money does not include squandering it away in a casino.



Wow, EvenBob. That is quite the quote. Excellent.

I don't think a priest should gamble. They are supposed to be representing God and living a moral life. There are enough problem gamblers out there, enough money being taken away from old people, that I don't think a priest should be encouraging that behavior. Inotherwords, there will likely be a few members of your congregation that are suffering from some sort of gambling problem, and as a leader of your community, you shouldn't be encouraging that behavior by betting 0 on a roulette spin with members of your congregation.

On the other hand, I think everyone should have their vices. Priests have it tough enough. Gambling is not a sin, but it can be seen as "squandering". My advice: if you must gamble, do it online, or do it far away from home.

On a third hand, plenty of churches host casino nights as a form of fundraiser, so you're sort of encouraging gambling.

So, my final thought: you're human, you're not sinning, other churches do it, but I would keep your habit far away from your congregation.
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ItsCalledSoccer
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:44:34 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The key word in the quote is 'edify'. In this context,
it means 'does it instruct and improve' others. Gambling
does the polar opposite of instructing and improving
others.



I think gambling is amoral, and that any amoral thing can be turned into a vice when it's overdone.

But if you're right and gambling truly does the polar opposite of instruct and improve, that begs the question why you have become such a major contributor to a gambling website.

I don't ask that in a "gotcha" sense, but the question does present itself as it seems like a pretty major disconnect.
EvenBob
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:48:43 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

On the other hand, I think everyone should have their vices. Priests have it tough enough.



Having it tough is rather the point, isn't it. All of the
Apostles died horrible deaths for their religion. Abstaining
from casino gambling is nothing by comparison.
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EvenBob
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:52:24 PM permalink
Quote: ItsCalledSoccer

I don't ask that in a "gotcha" sense, but the question does present itself as it seems like a pretty major disconnect.



I never gamble. I never play unless I know I'm
going to win. My wife's the gambler in the family.
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heather
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:57:54 PM permalink
There is a story, certainly apocryphal but sometimes presented as fact, that Roulette was invented by a priest or a monk who was trying to raise money for his church/monastery. He was successful in what I suppose may have been the very first Casino Night fundraiser (a tradition that my local Catholic churches seem to be interested in maintaining, FWIW, albeit without games as expensive to set up as roulette, and always with terrible table limits). The cleric then became obsessed with beating the wheel, and spent the rest of his life trying to come up with a system that would allow him to do so, possibly at the expense of his own reputation. Incidentally, this is how we know the story is apocryphal; as the cleric himself would have been the House, he would have already had a system guaranteed to leave him ahead built right into the game in the form of HE.
AlanRRT
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September 12th, 2011 at 11:02:26 PM permalink
Gambling is evil. Especially if you split 5s, don't take odds, play a 6/5 game or draw to an inside straight.
rxwine
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September 12th, 2011 at 11:02:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I never gamble. I never play unless I know I'm
going to win. My wife's the gambler in the family.



Assuming you don't have your wife tied up, sounds like a losing system to me.
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