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MDawg
July 9th, 2019 at 7:36:08 AM permalink
Getting this thread back on topic. Generally speaking, if I got up early at a casino and wanted to play more, I would maybe rathole the chips I came in with and play with your winnings. If you lose that, you break even. I had this happen to me at a BJ table recently where I bought in for $200 and built it up to around $800. I pocketed 5 black chips and played with the other $300. If, I lost it, I was still up $300.

That all said, you have to have the discipline to know when to walk away. IMO, there is no worse feeling walking out of a casino with no money when you were up in a particular session
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July 9th, 2019 at 8:25:42 AM permalink
I used to set win goals. It was amazing how often I'd get to about 95-98% of my intended stop point and then lose. Now I secretly cut my goal by ten percent so when the machines think I'm still below my goal, I have actually reached my secret goal and can quit.
Have a plan, then develop a secret plan. Do this, and properly hydrate and life is good.
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July 9th, 2019 at 8:47:32 AM permalink
I've wondered about that. Say you're down and you get to within $200. of even, and all you want to do is get even and leave. Next thing you know you're down eight grand.

Or, your goal is to get up ten K, and you're at 9800, next thing you know you just dumped four grand, and now you "need" 4200 not 200 to get to your goal.

I think it has to do with that your play sometimes isn't right when you get close to goals. Either you're being too careful as you get close and selling yourself short, or too reckless as you slip away from the goal that you were JUST about to hit and try to press bets to catch up quickly when the card flow may not necessarily justify such big catch up bets. At least, that's all I can think of. That you're thinking too much about "I gotta get this" since you're so close, versus playing / betting based solely on the cards.

During my more recent play as I've gotten close to goals I've tried to be aware of this, that my play might tend to be off if I'm being blinded by the goal, and it has worked out better. Also, with my more recent play I haven't really worried much about setting winning goals. Just win, whatever amount. But yeah - when you're down, there is no way to get around that the absolute goal of getting back to even is there. Can't ignore that goal.
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July 9th, 2019 at 11:33:54 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I've wondered about that. Say you're down and you get to within $200. of even, and all you want to do is get even and leave. Next thing you know you're down eight grand.



I always do it the opposite way. In the example above, the player can either win back $200, or lose $8,000. How I do it, which is so much better, is to either lose $200 and get back to even, or win $8,000.
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July 9th, 2019 at 11:49:07 AM permalink
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I used to set win goals. It was amazing how often I'd get to about 95-98% of my intended stop point and then lose. Now I secretly cut my goal by ten percent so when the machines think I'm still below my goal, I have actually reached my secret goal and can quit.




You're funny. :-)
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July 9th, 2019 at 12:52:34 PM permalink
I'm grasping the issue here. We're not taking into account the machines' goals. The machines, unbeknownst to us, probably have their own stop losses and win goals.

I don't know if you've noticed, but machines have oodles of discipline.
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:14:56 PM permalink
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I'm grasping the issue here. We're not taking into account the machines' goals. The machines, unbeknownst to us, probably have their own stop losses and win goals.

I don't know if you've noticed, but machines have oodles of discipline.



Only until you discover their sweet spot and take it to the zone.
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:41:30 PM permalink
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Only until you discover their sweet spot and take it to the zone.

Shhhhh. Loose lips sink ships. Don't let the machines know that we know that they know what we know. Some of those machines might be on the internet, poring over every word we post.
$:o)
Also, I find it's best if I don't let my subconscious and conscious minds know what the other has planned.
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MDawg
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July 9th, 2019 at 2:44:39 PM permalink
The solution is this browser extension app I found that lets you program certain words into it and inserts a LARGE Bozo the Clown emoji over these words.

Then I just ignore the content to the right of each emoji.

Best solution I found so far.

Life is much smoother.
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July 9th, 2019 at 3:23:01 PM permalink
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Redietz ... of course use my retort as you want.
Others.... either you believe MDawg was/now still is a big gambler playing thousands a hand or you donít. I donít know but Iíll guess there are at least thousands and more likely tens of thousands of Ďwhalesí that have put through a billion in play over any given decade. It would not be stunning if one of them found this forum. I tend not to believe him because his understanding of basic EV concepts seems lacking. But it is possible many whales donít have that knowledge. So my jury is still out.

If the bestest anesthesiologist in the world manages to grace us with his presence, I see no reason why the bestest gambler in the world can't be gracing us with his presence as well.

Oh sh*t, I almost forgot, even the most feared well known secretive bus ridding East Coast AP has LOTS of time for us.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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