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DJTeddyBear
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June 21st, 2011 at 7:25:37 AM permalink
You're right. Donating to a money pit is typical, not radical.

Yeah, since I live and work not far from the Meadolands, the #1 location in any of the gambling-outside-AC discussions, I too would welcome something more radical.
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hook3670
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June 21st, 2011 at 8:01:29 AM permalink
I live in Baltimore and drive to A/C somewhat regularly(10-12 times a year) for the weekend. I am part of the evil empire club and used to get free rooms at the drop of a hat, now not so much however they are still somewhat reasonable, free Fridays $99-$159 Saturdays on season and acutally really cheap off or still free off season. We have done day trips to Harrah's Chester and yes the are is obviously a dump with a lovely view of a lake and a prison on either side. A/C is losing money and play like crazy to the Philly area casinos. We actually went to Sugar House recently and they were packed on a Sunday afternoon. For the Philly casinos it is relatively cheap to stay in Philly and get to them easily, Sugar House has three different free daily shuttles throughout the Philly area to pickup and drop customers off from noon to midnight every day. They run 3 different routes and each bus has about 10 stops to pick up and drop off passangers. The day we took the shuttle it was crowded going and coming.
pacomartin
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June 22nd, 2011 at 5:07:58 AM permalink
Although poker is not a huge part of the revenue of a casino, Pennsylvania seems to indicate that it is far more profitable to have poker within easy driving distance than to put it in a resort. While no doubt there are people that make poker a centerpiece of overnight stays, the PA poker tables make nearly double the per day average of those in Atlantic City, NJ. Overall take in poker is also higher in PA compared to NJ despite having fewer tables.

Even if NJ does not want to undermine the fragility of Atlantic City by opening slot parlors in the northern part of the state, they need to concede that they are losing poker players to the shorter drive to Pennsylvania. In at least this one area of gaming they should relent and open a first rate card club in NJ that most of the population can drive to in 45 minutes or less.

It is my understanding that people have been lobbying for poker at the Meadowlands for some time.

New Jersey Tables Per table day Pennsylvania Tables Per table day
Borgata 85 $621 SANDS BETHLEHEM 23 $1,123
Trump Taj Mahal 54 $482 HARRAH'S CHESTER DOWNS 35 $879
Bally 26 $408 PARX 50 $841
Harrahs 40 $400 MOUNT AIRY 11 $811
Ceasars 32 $361 PENN NATIONAL 16 $798
Tropicana 34 $317 THE RIVERS 30 $736
Showboat 24 $278 MOHEGAN SUN 18 $639
Hilton 2 $178 THE MEADOWS 20 $540
Total 297 $454 Total 203 $811


AC Hilton cut back to 4 poker tables in November 2008. At some point they reduced to 2 tables. I am not sure why they don't discontinue entirely.
pacomartin
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July 18th, 2011 at 11:17:54 PM permalink
Pennsylvania finally published the table games results for June and for the first full year of table games in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania took in just over $1/2 billion for the full year at all casinos. Meaning it is still a distant second to New Jersey (although it is leading in poker).

The hotel at Bethlehem Sands seems to have secured them second place in Pennsylvania (ahead of the racino in Harrah's Chester), but it didn't make nearly the increase as I thought it would. The June increase was a mere 0.35% better than March.

It does look like table game players prefer a resort environment as opposed to a drive up local casino

PA and NJ table games for 12 months July 1 2010 to June 30 2011
Pennsylvania Table Games New Jersey Table Games
Borgata $237,743,872
Bally's $159,808,335
Caesars $155,106,762
Taj Mahal $145,947,243
Harrah's $103,016,156
Tropicana $102,218,742
PARX $90,616,757
SANDS BETHLEHEM $73,121,094
HARRAH'S CHESTER DOWNS $70,929,125
THE RIVERS $57,692,101
SUGARHOUSE * $52,554,279
* in low $60's if open all year
MOHEGAN SUN $38,580,345 Trump $58,563,929
MOUNT AIRY $37,738,361 Showboat $55,631,307
PENN NATIONAL $34,669,240 Hilton $47,148,030
THE MEADOWS $32,032,157 Resorts $41,903,093
PRESQUE ISLE $20,053,468 Golden Nugget $37,809,679
TOTAL $507,986,927 $1,144,897,148
pacomartin
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August 17th, 2011 at 5:34:04 PM permalink
For July 2011 Pennsylvania greatly improved their table games getting to 60% of New Jersey. Sands Bethlehem broke $10 million and came close to the high for the state. The hotel appears to be a solid success.

In a rather surprise jump, New Jersey exceeded Pennsylvania by 12% in slots.
pacomartin
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September 21st, 2011 at 6:29:24 AM permalink
For August 2011 Bethlehem Sands once again took in the most money in table games. With the plans in for a shopping mall and a convention center and 2500 seat entertainment pavilion, they seem poised to be the solid leader in table games for Pennsylvania.

However, generally in Pennsylvania gaming does not seem to be growing like it did in NJ in the 1980's. Slots are almost immediately flat, and table games are still showing limited growth except for PARX and SANDS.

The hometown casino concept seems to meet a need, but does not necessarily result in growth.
DJTeddyBear
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September 21st, 2011 at 7:17:29 AM permalink
I'm not so sure about that.

Each time I've been to the Sands, at the hight of the day it seemed quite crowded. Although there were always slots available, it didn't have the elbow room / breathing space that would make it inviting. I.E. Although there were more slots available, I'd describe it as "at capacity". Of course, the tables were overcrowded, beyond capacity.

I.E. If Sands were to expand, I think you'll see their numbers jump to match the new capacity.
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
FleaStiff
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January 19th, 2012 at 5:08:14 AM permalink
From Bethelehem patch.com:
The Sands closed out 2011 setting a monthly table games record: grossed $11.7 million in revenue. Combined with slots revenue of $23.4 million, the Sands brought in more than $35 million in revenue in December. The casino’s total revenue for the year was $377 million. In December, Sands table revenues alone netted the state $1.6 million in tax revenue and $234,000 in local share taxes.
Niblick
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January 21st, 2012 at 8:25:17 AM permalink
I was in the Sands for the first time yesterday; they openly cater to the Asian market (there is a lot of bus traffic out of NY).

I was taken by the amount of table games in play. It seemed that one could combine Harrington, Dover, Mount Airy and still not come with what I saw at Sands.

I pass the Sands daily (on my way to craps class--which, by the way, is going well); I can't seem to shake the ambivalent feeling that the venue was once Bethlehem Steel, former paragon of American Industry (and testimony to the effects of corporate excess along with antagonistic labor/management relations), maker of the Golden Gate, Waldorf Astoria, George Washington Bridge, WWII battleships, etc. and it's now a casino. FWIW Once upon a time, I lived in Allentown during the time of Bethlehem Steel. If one was out looking for distaff companionship, the magic words were, "I work at Bethlehem Steel" and the effect was successful and instantaneous.

And now, I repeat, it's a casino.

I can't get over it.

I know there's a message in there somewhere but I don't know what it is.

Clearly though, the fact that PA is now second to Nevada is evidence of a dysfunctional legislature that lacks the political will to address the two largest problems extant in PA: 1. How to pay for education 2. The fact that there are 2467 municipalities in PA (the next closest is California with 800 something). We are talking about a legislature that took 3 years to enact a texting law. If they are unable to address low hanging fruit like anti texting, how are they going to address the larger, more esoteric issues?

Their answer?

More casinos.

Funny thing, it's easier to get a building permit in PA for a casino than it is for a three bedroom/two bath house.

Oh, well.
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DJTeddyBear
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January 21st, 2012 at 8:55:01 AM permalink
Quote: Niblick

I pass the Sands daily (on my way to craps class--which, by the way, is going well); I can't seem to shake the ambivalent feeling that the venue was once Bethlehem Steel, ....

Don't try to shake it. You're absoltely right.

Did you notice that orange ring around the bad in the middle of the casino?

It's a huge coil of steel that they found on the site. The bar is called "Coil."
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗

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