Is Tebow for real?
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Quote: thecesspitMiami, if they don't get Alex Smith. Possibly. Otherwise, he stays put. Is my guess.
Miami just signed Garrard, cut by the Jaguars last season. I don't know whether they'd want Tebow or Smith, but I don't think they can afford them.
Quote:And why would you think manning would take a while to get done? It's been full speed for a couple of weeks. That sort of player wasn't going to mince around like LeBron did.
Because it was an important decision. Because ever more teams expressed interest. And because it was good ratings for the sports network news shows. The yearly Favre watch nearly consumed threee off seasons.
Manning's signing was need relatively fast, as there was a lot of moving pieces that depended on where he went. He's good, but there are teams who wouldn't have held on for a long time for him. But your right, previous form suggests there would be a long wait, but as soon as he visited 3 clubs in a week, I was pretty sure something would get done by this Friday.
My first vote would have been very wrong, and my second also quite wrong. As would have my third guess :)
Traded for two draft picks (4th and 6th) from the jets and the Broncos give up Tebow and 7th round pick. For a former first rounder.
Quote: thecesspitTebow is now a Jet.
Traded for two draft picks (4th and 6th) from the jets and the Broncos give up Tebow and 7th round pick. For a former first rounder.
He's going to NY??? The NY media will crucify him!
Quote: thecesspitTebow is now a Jet.
Traded for two draft picks (4th and 6th) from the jets and the Broncos give up Tebow and 7th round pick. For a former first rounder.
That seems like a low price given last season's Tebowmania, doesn't it? It seems like the Broncos couldn't get rid of him fast enough, but none wanted him bad enough.
Well, do you suppose Tebow will wind up as backup to Mark Sanchez, or is he a means to pressure Sanchez into shaping up? Either way a QB with a winning record and real NFL experience is worth something.
Quote: DrJohnHe's going to NY??? The NY media will crucify him!
Irony intended? :)
After a few hours of contemplating this news, I'm still not sure how I feel about the move. We just signed Sanchez to a contract extension, so he would seem to be our guy. The only thing that makes sense to me is that Tebow will help us out on goal-line packages and as the occasional change of pace quarterback to run a pseudo-wildcat formation. We'll see how it plays out, but from everything I've seen and read, Sanchez is the man at QB for the time being.
That may be wishful thinking...
Quote: duckmankillaThe only thing that makes sense to me is that Tebow will help us out on goal-line packages and as the occasional change of pace quarterback to run a pseudo-wildcat formation. We'll see how it plays out, but from everything I've seen and read, Sanchez is the man at QB for the time being.
You know what would make perfect sense is to have Tebow as a running back. He'd be a double threat, as he could run the ball or pass it. But how do the Jets feel about gadget palys? Specifically how does Rex Ryan feel? The Steelers liked them well enough under Cowher and Wisenhunt, but not afterwards under Tomlin and Arians.
The other objection is that the quarterback is seen as the king of the offense. No QB who has started more htan two games would appreciate the demotion. Ask Kordell "Slash" Stewart.
I'm content to wait and see.
On bigger news, the Saints will have to make do without Sean Payton for next season. He's been suspended for a year due to the "bounty" scandal developing there. As far as I'm concerned, this writes New Orleans off for serious Super Bowl contention. And if it doesn't, then a certain Mr. Payton will be looking for a job come February 2013.
Quote: DanMahownyDoes this mean God will hate the Broncos?
judging by tebows numbers i think it's safe to say "god" wasnt listening much anyway
"Who's that guy?"
TEBOWMANIA!!
"Tim will be our starter next season"
"Get off my team! I have Payton the Manning!!!"
Quote: NareedBut how do the Jets feel about gadget palys? Specifically how does Rex Ryan feel?
I see I missed the fact that the Jets hired Tony Sparano as offensive coordinator.
So I was more right than I knew. Tebow is the new Wildcat ;)
He's selling merchandise, and there's a new JETS-15 license plate in our neighborhood 3 states away from where the Jets play, so he's "for real" in non-football ways.
Quote: FarFromVegasUsually we just donate them to The United Way.
That's the first I've heard of -EV donations ;)
Quote:He's selling merchandise, and there's a new JETS-15 license plate in our neighborhood 3 states away from where the Jets play, so he's "for real" in non-football ways.
Oh, lots of players have been for real that way. Remember Brian Bossworth? Ickey Woods?
On the other hand, perhaps the Tebow trade is a sign that the Jets have finally quit trying to replace Joe Namath...
Quote: NareedThat's the first I've heard of -EV donations ;)
We live in Redskins territory, so it's hard to offload preseason Jets' seats. But I was able to sell NASCAR seats I won for 15 bucks over face value. You gotta know your target audience, I guess...
Could have sworn it isn't for the Seahawks, I'll have to ask some friends.
Quote: ahiromuPreseason tickets are optional for the Jets? Is it this way for the entire NFL?
Could have sworn it isn't for the Seahawks, I'll have to ask some friends.
No, they are not optional. We've tried to sell them in previous years, then gave up and just donated them. I'm just wondering if Tebowmania will cause some of the curious to shell out for preseason tickets to check him out.
Quote: FarFromVegasI'm just wondering if Tebowmania will cause some of the curious to shell out for preseason tickets to check him out.
There are bound to be a few.
Here's a thought: when there's a big news tiem about Tebow, offer the tickets for sale.
Quote: FarFromVegasNo, they are not optional. We've tried to sell them in previous years, then gave up and just donated them. I'm just wondering if Tebowmania will cause some of the curious to shell out for preseason tickets to check him out.
I'm sorry I skimmed and misread your post, thanks for the info.
And the poor Jets are still looking for the next Joe Namath.
There is one slight problem with the whole scenario though... he's not a better tight end than any starting tight end in the NFL. Probably not better than any backup. He could possibly have a slim chance at being a slot receiver, but he supposedly doesn't have much talent at catching the ball.
I'd say he ends up in the Arena Football League or Canada as a QB.
ZCore13
Without that chance, we may never know.
Full disclosure: Both of my daughters are graduates from the University of Florida, Go Gators!
Quote: Zcore13I don't think he's refused anything. He's an employee of whatever team he plays for. If his employee tells him to do something he either does it or he probably doesn't work there anymore. Does he want to switch positions? Probably not. Will he if he is asked/told to? I bet he will.
There is one slight problem with the whole scenario though... he's not a better tight end than any starting tight end in the NFL. Probably not better than any backup. He could possibly have a slim chance at being a slot receiver, but he supposedly doesn't have much talent at catching the ball.
I'd say he ends up in the Arena Football League or Canada as a QB.
ZCore13
I think you're over-simplifying it. He's not an employee of any team, right now. It is probable that many teams' GMs have called his agent, said "hey, we're interested in signing your client, but only if he's open to changing positions" and his agent's response (after asking Tebow) has been, "Thanks, but no thanks."
Have these conversations actually taken place? Who knows, but I would bet on it (given the right odds, of course).
I'd say the chances are more likely that very few, if any GM's are interested in him and unless there is a pre-season injury, he will not be in the NFL this year.
We'll see...
ZCore13
It's up to him if he will take less money and settle for a backup or rare situation role.
Quote: Zcore13I've read multiple articles with a total of about half a dozen GM's saying they have no interest in him. He's not a good enough player at any position to have the circus that comes with him.
I'd say the chances are more likely that very few, if any GM's are interested in him and unless there is a pre-season injury, he will not be in the NFL this year.
We'll see...
ZCore13
There are 32 GMs. The fact that 6 of them have gone on record saying they don't want him doesn't mean that some number of the other 26 haven't kicked the tires, possibly asking him to change positions in the process.
It all comes down to your opinion/perception of how NFL GMs perceive Tebow. I think he was successful enough in his brief starting stint with the Broncos in 2011 for someone to be interested. The Jets certainly fucked him over though, that's for sure.
Quote: chickenmanThe J-E-T-S kicked him to the curb - what a classless and clueless organization. Waited until all likely QB slots drafted up and then dumped him. Just sick, with their arrogant coach, know nothing GM and useless owner falling all over themselves to sign The Sanchise to an extension so he could stink up all of New Jersey and then tempting Tebow to come to town so they could shit on him. Really poor...
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The Jets have now replaced the Steelers as the team I most hate, and I never cared one way or another about Tim Tebow, previously.
Quote: MoscaTheir explanation was that they didn't want to release him before the draft because they were hoping to get an offer of a pick for him. In my opinion, the fact that no one would even offer a 7th round pick means that it makes no difference one way or the other, no one wanted the guy regardless. His situation would be unchanged no matter when he was released.
I respectfully disagree with that, it may just mean that nobody wanted to use that pick on a QB whose weaknesses are already known to compete for a third-stringers spot when you might be able to use that pick on a guy to compete for a third-stringers spot who may surprise you. Perhaps there would have been a team that said, "We don't want to use a pick to get another quarterback for spring training, but if we must use a pick, we'll use it on someone else...or maybe someone with the potential to start for this team in the future." Had Tebow been released earlier, then a team may have just picked him up and used that 7th Round Pick (or whatever pick with which they ultimately took a QB) to draft someone of a different position.
Quote: Mission146I respectfully disagree with that, it may just mean that nobody wanted to use that pick on a QB whose weaknesses are already known to compete for a third-stringers spot when you might be able to use that pick on a guy to compete for a third-stringers spot who may surprise you. Perhaps there would have been a team that said, "We don't want to use a pick to get another quarterback for spring training, but if we must use a pick, we'll use it on someone else...or maybe someone with the potential to start for this team in the future." Had Tebow been released earlier, then a team may have just picked him up and used that 7th Round Pick (or whatever pick with which they ultimately took a QB) to draft someone of a different position.
I understand, but that team can still sign Tebow as a FA. Holding on to him until now was the only way the Jets could have received any value at all. And it's not like the rest of the NFL didn't know he was going to be available. The Jets put the word out. No one wanted him enough to compete with another team for him, is what it meant. Because that is why you would trade a pick, even a low one.
ZCore13
Quote: spc623At the end of the day, New England will benefit; Tebow jerseys will be flying off the shelves. This debate will always be up for discussion, but unlike in New York, Tebow can play as well as he wants and still not get the starting job. Not the best decision for his career down the road. I think Belichick will utilize him better than Rex. I just dread the day when "Tebowing" surrounds the media.
I think being in the stronger organization will help him. I like having him around if for no other reason how it drives the haters crazy.
I hope he's used the last 6 weeks to work on his throwing motion and accuracy. I hope he makes the team. But this 3 day mini camp is a LONG way from making the final roster.
ZCore13
I listen to Adam Carolla daily and while not exactly a tactical football genius, he had an interesting idea...make Tebow your punter for anything under 4th-and-5. He's athletic enough that I bet he can punt 75% or 80% as well as an NFL punter. Just have him punt the first few times, then have him take off every now and then. The defense will be in constant fear...well apprehension at least. Makes it harder to set up the return effectively, and you might even bring your return man up to play D, and then you've basically got a free punt if you want it!
My secondary beef* with the NFL is that it's very boring and vanilla...college is so much more exciting and has more variety. IMO it doesn't have to be this way, there is statistical weight behind going for it more often on 4th down for one thing. As much as I hate the Patriots, Belichick thinks outside the box and does it mostly effectively (again IMO).
*Primary beef is the more and more ridiculous rules favoring the offense. PI is a joke, roughing the quarterback is a farce at this point. Just give the QB a red jersey and say you can't touch him and be done with it.
Tebow connected with Demaryius Thomas on an electrifying 80-yard touchdown pass on the first play of overtime and the Broncos defeated the stunned Pittsburgh Steelers 29-23 in the AFC wild-card game.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI'm honestly excited/intrigued to see what Belichick has in store for Tebow (assuming he makes the team).
I listen to Adam Carolla daily and while not exactly a tactical football genius, he had an interesting idea...make Tebow your punter for anything under 4th-and-5. He's athletic enough that I bet he can punt 75% or 80% as well as an NFL punter. Just have him punt the first few times, then have him take off every now and then. The defense will be in constant fear...well apprehension at least. Makes it harder to set up the return effectively, and you might even bring your return man up to play D, and then you've basically got a free punt if you want it!
My secondary beef* with the NFL is that it's very boring and vanilla...college is so much more exciting and has more variety. IMO it doesn't have to be this way, there is statistical weight behind going for it more often on 4th down for one thing. As much as I hate the Patriots, Belichick thinks outside the box and does it mostly effectively (again IMO).
*Primary beef is the more and more ridiculous rules favoring the offense. PI is a joke, roughing the quarterback is a farce at this point. Just give the QB a red jersey and say you can't touch him and be done with it.
+1. Most so for boring NFL and rules favoring offense. Let those with an attention spam too short to appreciate a 13-10 chess match of a game watch the NBA.
Jack Lambert "Quarterbacks should wear a dress."
Quote: BuzzardTebow connected with Demaryius Thomas on an electrifying 80-yard touchdown pass on the first play of overtime and the Broncos defeated the stunned Pittsburgh Steelers 29-23 in the AFC wild-card game.
You don't keep a player because he got lucky once :P
You especially don't keep Tim Tebow when you can get Peyton Manning.
