gun show loophole rant
Not the least bit surprised
We live in a country where its very dangerous to send a kid to school
I'm sure we will have another school shooting before school summer vacation starts
Other countries would put a stop to this. Other countries would not tolerate children getting gunned down on a consistent basis year after year
That's why I don't own a gun
I refuse to be a part of the problem
Quote: terapinedAnother school shooting
Being a kid sounds like a nightmare nowadays, what with school shootings, bullying leading to suicide, zero-tolerance policies, and obsession with social media.
Glad I was kid back when all we had to worry about was doing homework and studying for tests.
Quote: terapinedAnother school shooting
GOPers are getting excited:
There's new crop of high schoolers they can smear as Nazis!!!!
Quote: ams288GOPers are getting excited:
There's new crop of high schoolers they can smear as Nazis!!!!
Wait a minute, which political party am I supposed to associate with Nazis now?
It changes every week depending on who is being the bigger idiot....
Thank gawd the NRA has our back.
Quote: TigerWuWait a minute, which political party am I supposed to associate with Nazis now?
It changes every week depending on who is being the bigger idiot....
[/img]Quote: billryanIf only there was something that could be done
Does this happen in Japan?
Does this happen in the UK?
Does this happen in Australia?
These are countries that care about their children. They did something about it.
The world is watching and wondering why we don't give a crap about children getting gunned down and executed
Here is where it gets kind of interesting.
Almost fifteen year ago, a mans aging father moved into a rough neighborhood. He asked his son to loan him a gun for protection. Son came over ,and lent him a pistol and a handgun. The father had a live in girl friend and whenever they were broke they would pawn one or both guns. One day the woman is on the way to the pawn store when she encounters some of her former dealers and they end up trading her drugs for the gun. She tells the man but they agree not to say anything to the son. Meanwhile the dealers rent out the gun and its used in several robberies. Eventually it is traded to someone, it disappears for a decade and turns up in New Jersey .
The original owner claims he did nothing wrong and didn't know the gun was missing. His Dad says he didn't sell the gun so he did nothing wrong. The girlfriend is long gone.
So we have what purports to be a responsible gun owner whose gun, unbeknownst to him, has been used in several crimes , and used in at least one shooting.
At what point is a gun owner responsible for what is done with his weapons. This guy hasn't seen his gun in fifteen years and never tried to see it was secure. The father knew his gun was now in the hands of drug dealers but did nothing.
I honestly don't see why he and his dad are not charged in this.
Quote: ams288GOPers are getting excited:
Where's Lil Hoggy Boy, you just know
he's beside himself with excitement
over this. He's been on pins and needles
waiting to tell the Lefties how to spin
the next shooting.. What would they do
without him.
(hope he leaves the armbands at home
this time)
Quote: billryan
I honestly don't see why he and his dad are not charged in this.
What would they be charged with?
Quote: EvenBobWhere's Lil Hoggy Boy, you just know
he's beside himself with excitement
over this. He's been on pins and needles
waiting to tell the Lefties how to spin
the next shooting.. What would they do
without him.
(hope he leaves the armbands at home
this time)
I don't have the foggiest idea.
Just a high school kid to me
You seem to be his biggest fan
You brought him up. Please fill us in
My suggestion, check Breibart, they are obsessed with him.
Quote: TigerWuWhat would they be charged with?
I'm not sure.
Failure to report a missing weapon? Failure to properly maintain and secure a weapon?. Do you think a gun owner bears no responsibility for what happens with their weapons? The father knew the gun was illegally traded to drug dealers and did nothing about it. Is that ok in your book? We have one legally obtained weapon that turned out to be involved in a half dozen crimes and the attempted execution of a Police Officer. You don't think the guns owner bears any responsibility for this? As far as the government knew, this weapon is safe in the OOs hands, not involved in a crime spree. The guy who provided the gun to the shooter and the guy who sold it to that guy are both being charged in connection with the shooting, even though it was in a different state, months later. Are they all that much more guilty than the guy who let his girlfriend trade the gun for drugs? I think he and she should both be held accountable. She set the wheel in motion and he did nothing to stop it.
Quote: terapinedI don't have the foggiest idea.
Just a high school kid to me
You seem to be his biggest fan
You brought him up. Please fill us in
My suggestion, check Breibart, they are obsessed with him.
Can you imagine if Hillary ran for President with Hogg as her VP?
EvenBob would be on cloud nine... haha...
Quote: terapinedAnother school shooting
Not the least bit surprised
We live in a country where its very dangerous to send a kid to school
I'm sure we will have another school shooting before school summer vacation starts
Other countries would put a stop to this. Other countries would not tolerate children getting gunned down on a consistent basis year after year
That's why I don't own a gun
I refuse to be a part of the problem
What problem would you be a part of if you owned a gun? I certainly hope you're not saying if you had a gun that you'd go on a shooting spree. I'm not insinuating that's what you're saying or that you'd do that, either. I'm just confused why you think you'd be part of the problem if you owned a gun.
"The shooter, a 17-year-old former student, was believed to have a tiny penis, and often took frequent bathroom breaks to change his adult diapers, which he only wore for fun. He is said to have spent his spare time hanging out in the boys locker room and writing love letters to his cousins."
And then there's this tool... Haha....
Quote: RSQuote: terapinedAnother school shooting
Not the least bit surprised
We live in a country where its very dangerous to send a kid to school
I'm sure we will have another school shooting before school summer vacation starts
Other countries would put a stop to this. Other countries would not tolerate children getting gunned down on a consistent basis year after year
That's why I don't own a gun
I refuse to be a part of the problem
What problem would you be a part of if you owned a gun? I certainly hope you're not saying if you had a gun that you'd go on a shooting spree. I'm not insinuating that's what you're saying or that you'd do that, either. I'm just confused why you think you'd be part of the problem if you owned a gun.
I simply don't want to support gun manufacturers with my hard earned money
I believe they are behind the effort to weaken background check laws using money to buy congress
Quote: billryanJust look at the NRA and follow the money. Bring your passport as much of it comes from Russia and Eastern Europe.
What does the NRA have to do with anything?
Quote: ams288GOPers are getting excited:
There's new crop of high schoolers they can smear as Nazis!!!!
Are you for real or just attempting a horrible joke?
Quote: TigerWuThe media just needs to start absolutely ridiculing these shooters, so no one will want to ever do it again
The media "needs to" stop mentioning their names.
"Police soon took the shooter, Total Bastard Terrorist Murderer, into custody."
I remember one time when CNN refused to name the shooter - then interviewed somebody who didn't get the memo and named him. You would think CNN would have a seven-second delay for something like this.
Besides, ridiculing the shooters doesn't work very well with the ones that "turn the guns on themselves."
Quote: ThatDonGuyThe media "needs to" stop mentioning their names.
I doubt it is that simple.
We should hope that the criminologists at the FBI have been studying the issue. Like those guys on "Mindhunter." What are the common threads among the shooters? That is the question. What are the warning signs? We need to do better than having incompetent and unqualified teachers calling the cops because a kid makes a gun of Legos and says "BANG!"
Being famous might be a contributing factor, but has to be more to it.
I've seen, the power of it brought tears
to my eyes.
Quote: djatcAre you for real or just attempting a horrible joke?
I'm for real.
And I was clearly correct. Did you not see EB's response to my post mentioning David Hogg wearing an "armband?"
Deplorable.
Quote: ams288GOPers are getting excited:
There's new crop of high schoolers they can smear as Nazis!!!!
Pathetic, even for you. But not shocked.
I guess it’s ok for me to then say SOME liberals looked at the shooting with sadness, but also considered it a needed part of the quest to eliminate guns. But even that was tempered with disappointment when they heard it wasn’t an assult rifle.
Quote: BozI guess it’s ok for me to then say SOME liberals looked at the shooting with sadness, but also considered it a needed part of the quest to eliminate guns. But even that was tempered with disappointment when they heard it wasn’t an assult rifle.
It's always ok to say what's on your mind.
Quote: rxwineIf the Founders showed up today and saw what was going on, they'd probably offer to rewrite the second amendment.
I agree, When they saw how many gun grabbers there are they would strike the part about a militia and just say the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Even more surprisingly, it happens to align perfectly with whatever your chosen political bent is.
I have a feeling we would all be more that a little disappointed if we were to actually travel back in time and see what flawed and possibly scummy politicians the founding fathers actually were....
Quote: rxwineIf the Founders showed up today and saw what was going on, they'd probably offer to rewrite the second amendment.
If our founding fathers showed up today, they'd have a stroke once they see the amount of uneducated citizens that are walking the streets today who are more focused on what celebrities are doing and being glued to their phones every second of the day, who have no understanding of history and the corruption of governments and that a country can be so influenced by what the media tells them and influences them with on the daily. Then they'd proceed to roll back into their casket after they realized they fought so hard for no reason at all, including a Revolution, all for our rights that society today doesn't even understand and appreciate, let alone know how to enforce them.
Quote: ZenKinGIf our founding fathers showed up today, they'd have a stroke once they see the amount of uneducated drones that are walking the streets today that have no understanding of history and the corruption of governments and that a country can be so influenced by what the media tells them and influences them with on the daily.
I have a feeling the average person in the 18th century was waaay less educated than the average person nowadays....
If anything, the founding fathers would probably be like, "Guys, we wrote this thing with a 1780's mindset. Why on Earth are you still following our exact rules for your society that is 240 years more advanced?"
Just imagine if we wrote a Constitution now, in 2018, then traveled to the future to the 2250's, and started immediately criticizing everyone for not adhering to the way that WE did things, 240 years in the past. How stupid would that be?
We have hundreds of years of more data to work with -- history, science, politics, countless discoveries -- than people did in the 18th century. We need to stop obsessing over what they thought and how they ran things because so much of it is irrelevant nowadays. Even with regards to the Constitution.
Quote: ZenKinGIf our founding fathers showed up today, they'd have a stroke once they see the amount of uneducated drones that are walking the streets today that have no understanding of history and the corruption of governments and that a country can be so influenced by what the media tells them and influences them with on the daily. Then they'd proceed to roll back into their casket after they realized they fought so hard for no reason at all, including a Revolution, all for our rights that society today doesn't even understand and appreciate, let alone know how to enforce them.
And they would damn sure not allow Chinese cards to be used in American Casinos!
Quote: ZenKinGIf our founding fathers showed up today, they'd have a stroke once they see the amount of uneducated citizens that are walking the streets today that have no understanding of history and the corruption of governments and that its citizens can be so influenced by what the media tells them and influences them with on the daily. Then they'd proceed to roll back into their casket after they realized they fought so hard, including a Revolution, all for our rights that society today doesn't even understand and appreciate, let alone know how to enforce them.
I think they would appreciate that the 1st amendment had worked out pretty well even though many would be aghast at some of the free speech.
And they would probably see the unintended effects of the second Amendment. Why they would side with the idea that breathing is the only requirement to own a gun after surveying the situation, is unfathomable. If anything, they only insured that accessing a gun for purposes of maintaining a well-regulated militia is the only guarantee, none of the rest.
Quote: TigerWuI have a feeling the average person in the 18th century was waaay less educated than the average person nowadays....
Wrong. Completely wrong and you writing what you just wrote simply shows your ignorance of our history, which many today have since our educational system has failed us. Also please go ahead and define what 'educated' means to you because what I see today is not education in the slightest, but indoctrination and people not being able to think for themselves one bit.
Our founding fathers were some of the smartest men our country has ever seen. Go read the Federalist Papers and Madison's Notes for a start and you can see how brilliant they truly were. Back then, there were no distractions such as TV, video games, casinos, celebrity garbage gossip. The people back wasted their whole days understanding what is going on around them and understanding the history of corrupt governments and how to prevent this from ever happening again and then proceeding to form to the best they possibly can a system in place to cause the least possibility of corruption, which was our great Constitution.
Quote: TigerWu
If anything, the founding fathers would probably be like, "Guys, we wrote this thing with a 1780's mindset. Why on Earth are you still following our exact rules for your society that is 240 years more advanced?"
But they did make it amendable. Which is my answer to anyone who claims they planned for it to be unchanging. That's provably wrong.
These are the questions you need to ask yourselves. People need to start thinking for themselves. Critical thinking is not being taught enough in our schools anymore. People are completely indoctrinated and all the way up from grade school are TOLD what and what not to do. Major problem in society.
Quote: rxwineBut they did make it amendable. Which is my answer to anyone who claims they planned for it to be unchanging. That's provably wrong.
Amendments might be amendable, but it's not easy to do and this wasn't done by coincidence. This prevents any corruption from inside forces to easily change away with anything they don't like. With that being said, the original clauses in the constitution cannot be amended and no amendment can contradict them.
Quote: rxwineAlso any pro-gunner who suggests the Second should remove the militia apart is clearly admitting what is obvious. 2nd doesn't say what they want it to say.
No, we are saying that the right is not subject to being in a militia, is is absolute. That is what it means but the wording is bad.
Being able to defend yourself against the government was not the purpose. Not having a standing army, and instead having a militia, was supposed to take care of not having too much power in the government that could be used against the people.
We obviously have a large standing army now, both in terms of how much we spend on it as a percentage of our own budget, and when spending is compared against all other nations in the world.
Having a large standing army is in conflict with one of the ideas behind the second amendment.
The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Why? Because "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." Why? Because the intention was not to have a standing army.
Work backwards from there. We have a standing army. So a well regulated militia is not necessary for the security of our free state. So the right of the people to keep and bear arms can be infringed. Not without changing the constitution, though. The law is the law. I am just saying we are not living by the original intent of the amendment.
Quote: BozAnd they would damn sure not allow Chinese cards to be used in American Casinos!
Have you worked with Gemaco cards before? Would rather have chinese cards
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, we are saying that the right is not subject to being in a militia, is is absolute. That is what it means but the wording is bad.
The writing AND the context of the events of that time suggests it is not absolute. Think Shay’s and Whiskey Rebellion. The 2A was used in the exact opposite way by our fathers in which gun rights advocates claimed it was designed for.
Quote: Dalex64The purpose for mentioning a militia in the second amendment is because the founding fathers did not want to have a standing army, but wanted to be able to call up an effective militia for the defense of the country. To be able to have an effective, well armed (that's what well regulated refers to) militia made up of ordinary citizens (redundant, as that is what militia basically means), because there was to be no standing army, the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Being able to defend yourself against the government was not the purpose. Not having a standing army, and instead having a militia, was supposed to take care of not having too much power in the government that could be used against the people.
We obviously have a large standing army now, both in terms of how much we spend on it as a percentage of our own budget, and when spending is compared against all other nations in the world.
Having a large standing army is in conflict with one of the ideas behind the second amendment.
The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Why? Because "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." Why? Because the intention was not to have a standing army.
Work backwards from there. We have a standing army. So a well regulated militia is not necessary for the security of our free state. So the right of the people to keep and bear arms can be infringed. Not without changing the constitution, though. The law is the law. I am just saying we are not living by the original intent of the amendment.
Bingo.
I hope they do it. They will see how few people care that they do not show up.
Quote: AZDuffmanObama’s education secretary: Let’s boycott school until gun laws change.
I hope they do it. They will see how few people care that they do not show up.
So is it safe to assume Shotguns and Pistols are now on the agenda to ban by the anti gun fanatics?
Oh wait, they already were, they just use the Assault Rifles as cover to get the ball rolling. They make it so easy to see right through their games.
Quote: Boz
So is it safe to assume Shotguns and Pistols are now on the agenda to ban by the anti gun fanatics?
Who cares about extremist fanatics?
There are extremists on both sides
Alex Jones on the right believes Sandy Hook was faked but that has nothing to do with how Boz views Sandy Hook
Just as
I believe in strong background checks but the views of anti gun nut extremists has nothing to do with my views
Quote: terapinedWho cares about extremist fanatics?
There are extremists on both sides
Alex Jones on the right believes Sandy Hook was faked but that has nothing to do with how Boz views Sandy Hook
Just as
I believe in strong background checks but the views of anti gun nut extremists has nothing to do with my views
My issue what could have been done legally to stop this shooting? Short of arresting the father, of which we need more details, or banning shotguns, why is this the breaking point.
The mob mentality says we need to stop school shootings and everyone agrees. But what will it actually take and who is actually willing to make those sacrifices. Much easier to go after AR’s than pistols and shotguns.
And yes, Alex Jones is a nut with the Sandy Hook garbage.
Quote: Boz
The mob mentality says we need to stop school shootings and everyone agrees. But what will it actually take and who is actually willing to make those sacrifices. Much easier to go after AR’s than pistols and shotguns.
We could do it, if we made every school somewhat like a maximum security prison. But there would still be violence and drugs in the schools. Just no shootings.
Does anyone really want our schools to be like this? Can we imagine what kind of adults would be turned out by this kind of system? Total security is an illusion.
#FREEEVENBOB
Quote: terapined
I believe in strong background checks
I love Ed, but I HATE anyone who keeps spouting the NONSENSE about "background checks" unless they tell me EXACTLY what in the check will disqualify someone from owning a firearm.
1. History of depression?
2. History of felony DWI conviction?
3. History of domestic assault without use of a weapon?
4. History of conviction for selling marijuana?
5. History (not present) of schizophrenia?
6. Recent travel to known terrorist training site?
7. Legally blind?
8. Parkinson's disease?
