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August 25th, 2024 at 2:22:46 PM permalink
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You are welcome to worry about it, if you so desire. As someone who has lost friends and brothers to suicide car bombers, I look at differently from someone afraid the cops might use it on a DUI.
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Those who trade freedom for safety will have neither.
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Those who trade safety for freedom will have neither.
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Ask a former East German if that is true.
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I asked the guys who had freedom from invasive boarding procedures on 9/11 and they all replied they had neither as they died trading their safety for freedom.

I also asked the former East Germans and they said they felt very safe. If someone tried anything the government spies would take care of the interloper.
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You asked the guys from the 9/11 planes? Really?!

I am guessing you prefer HOA neighborhoods?
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August 25th, 2024 at 2:26:28 PM permalink
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The speed limit is considered the maximum safe speed to go in that location.
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Actually that's neither completely true nor actually true.

In my town, the speed limits are posted at 5 mph below the Department of Transportation (DOT) guidelines for max safe speed because our town alderman assert "we know that everyone travels 5 mph above the speed limit" and because "safety is our highest priority."

The DOT guidelines for max safe speed themselves are not based on safety for an average car, but instead are based on a "credible least safe car." Safety analyses are based on cars and pick-up trucks with maximally worn brakes, maximally bald tires and that are assumed to be loaded so as to be top-heavy (think of a pick-up truck piled high.). This is governmental "cover your ass" methodology.

From a traffic engineering point of view, if you are driving a modern well-maintained car most roads are safe at 10mph above the posted speed limit. But more things go into public policy decisions on speed limits than "safety engineering."
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August 25th, 2024 at 2:34:47 PM permalink
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The speed limit is considered the maximum safe speed to go in that location.
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Actually that's neither completely true nor actually true.

In my town, the speed limits are posted at 5 mph below the Department of Transportation (DOT) guidelines for max safe speed because our town alderman assert "we know that everyone travels 5 mph above the speed limit" and because "safety is our highest priority."

The DOT guidelines for max safe speed themselves are not based on safety for an average car, but instead are based on a "credible least safe car." Safety analyses are based on cars and pick-up trucks with maximally worn brakes, maximally bald tires and that are assumed to be loaded so as to be top-heavy (think of a pick-up truck piled high.). This is governmental "cover your ass" methodology.

From a traffic engineering point of view, if you are driving a modern well-maintained car most roads are safe at 10mph above the posted speed limit. But more things go into public policy decisions on speed limits than "safety engineering."
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The NYC speed limit is based on the survival rate with a pedestrian. Collisions above thirty-five are fatal twice as often as ones under thirty.
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August 25th, 2024 at 4:26:54 PM permalink
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If your car does that then it probably also reports the so-called speeding

* the intention of the reporting to some entity in the cloud was not to give your insurance company a report, but the companies are getting hold of these
https://www.carpro.com/blog/special-report-is-your-car-reporting-your-driving-habits-to-your-insurance-company
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.



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August 25th, 2024 at 6:11:17 PM permalink
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There is also a segment of the population that clearly doesn't want it because whenever I am on the highway it seems everyone is speeding.

Ultimately I suspect if it's nor mandated by law, the implementation will be determined by the consumer.



You are 100% correct. It will only work when mandated by law.
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On Autoline podcast they said the percent of people who want it. My thought is the type of people who like living in a HOA want it mandated. I find it the same bad idea the DUI detection mandate is. 90% of drivers will drive at a safe speed. Quit punishing everyone for actions of a few.
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The speed limit is considered the maximum safe speed to go in that location.
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Do you ACTUALLY believe that? The speed limit is just a number at which the government can start collecting money from you if you exceed it.

In actuality, I’d surmise someone figures out a reasonable ‘safe’ speed for a road, then they subtract 10 or 15, figuring EVERYONE speeds. Some amount, at least.
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August 25th, 2024 at 7:36:14 PM permalink
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They should just stop speeding cars with giant magnets.
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Plastic doesn't work with a magnet.
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August 26th, 2024 at 3:58:03 AM permalink
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

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Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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August 26th, 2024 at 4:54:56 AM permalink
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

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Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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Some people will only care when it does affect them. This is how rights are lost. It is rarely all at one time. But as Don Draper said, most people want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything.

Your car has a speed limiter on it. You think it is a good thing and does not affect you. Well, such a limiter means they can disable your car a will. Anyone who understands car mechanics in the least should get this. Remember how they tried to limit travel in 2020? Think they would not hesitate to disable your car to keep you at home? Think again.
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August 26th, 2024 at 5:38:06 AM permalink
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

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Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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Some people will only care when it does affect them. This is how rights are lost. It is rarely all at one time. But as Don Draper said, most people want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything.

Your car has a speed limiter on it. You think it is a good thing and does not affect you. Well, such a limiter means they can disable your car a will. Anyone who understands car mechanics in the least should get this. Remember how they tried to limit travel in 2020? Think they would not hesitate to disable your car to keep you at home? Think again.
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A lot of this really depends on how the limiter works.
I think the threshold for "reckless driving" usually kicks in at +20mph. If the system simply doesn't allow acceleration beyond that point, a lot of people will object less than if it hits the brakes if you're going 61 in a 60 zone.
If the speed limit is detected onboard, and doesn't require a data connection to operate... again, less objectionable. "They" can't lock out your car Gattaca style if it doesn't have a remote impound feature.
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August 26th, 2024 at 6:32:26 AM permalink
I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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August 26th, 2024 at 6:43:39 AM permalink
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

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Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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Which ones don't affect you?
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August 26th, 2024 at 7:20:54 AM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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I’ve heard of such a thing. It’s called “Pay as you go.” Such as when they had pay toliets.
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August 26th, 2024 at 8:09:56 AM permalink
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

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Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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Some people will only care when it does affect them. This is how rights are lost. It is rarely all at one time. But as Don Draper said, most people want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything.

Your car has a speed limiter on it. You think it is a good thing and does not affect you. Well, such a limiter means they can disable your car a will. Anyone who understands car mechanics in the least should get this. Remember how they tried to limit travel in 2020? Think they would not hesitate to disable your car to keep you at home? Think again.
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A lot of this really depends on how the limiter works.
I think the threshold for "reckless driving" usually kicks in at +20mph. If the system simply doesn't allow acceleration beyond that point, a lot of people will object less than if it hits the brakes if you're going 61 in a 60 zone.
If the speed limit is detected onboard, and doesn't require a data connection to operate... again, less objectionable. "They" can't lock out your car Gattaca style if it doesn't have a remote impound feature.
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If they can limit your speed they can get to the fuel pump. If they can get lots that they can disable.
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August 26th, 2024 at 9:05:30 AM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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I’ve heard of such a thing. It’s called “Pay as you go.” Such as when they had pay toliets.
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rxwine,

Technically, pay toilets are pay BEFORE you go... Your way would be very messy 😂

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August 26th, 2024 at 4:15:57 PM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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You may be on to something, and some states are already looking at this in lieu of a gas tax. EVs don't use gasoline, don't pay gas taxes and don't pay for road use. So we're going to need alternative ways to pay for our roads, other than a gas tax.
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August 26th, 2024 at 4:42:39 PM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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You may be on to something, and some states are already looking at this in lieu of a gas tax. EVs don't use gasoline, don't pay gas taxes and don't pay for road use. So we're going to need alternative ways to pay for our roads, other than a gas tax.
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I never considered the gas tax aspect. I would be fine with the number of miles driven to be taxed annually.
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August 26th, 2024 at 5:52:23 PM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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You may be on to something, and some states are already looking at this in lieu of a gas tax. EVs don't use gasoline, don't pay gas taxes and don't pay for road use. So we're going to need alternative ways to pay for our roads, other than a gas tax.
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I never considered the gas tax aspect. I would be fine with the number of miles driven to be taxed annually.
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I would add a surcharge to every kWh used from public changing station (Tesla, Electrify America, ChargePoint, etc). I would also figure out a way to collect a surcharge from home chargers without looking like Big Brother is watching. Then we need to make it palatable to the EV buying public. CA is thinking about charging all motorists per mile, instead of at the pump.

Or just at a surcharge to EV purchases or registrations. Texans who own or purchase electric vehicles will pay up to $400 to register their “clean vehicles” and $200 every time they renew their registrations.
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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You may be on to something, and some states are already looking at this in lieu of a gas tax. EVs don't use gasoline, don't pay gas taxes and don't pay for road use. So we're going to need alternative ways to pay for our roads, other than a gas tax.
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I never considered the gas tax aspect. I would be fine with the number of miles driven to be taxed annually.
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I would add a surcharge to every kWh used from public changing station (Tesla, Electrify America, ChargePoint, etc). I would also figure out a way to collect a surcharge from home chargers without looking like Big Brother is watching. Then we need to make it palatable to the EV buying public.
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Why add an EV tax if you are charging everybody for every mile driven?
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August 26th, 2024 at 5:57:50 PM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
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You may be on to something, and some states are already looking at this in lieu of a gas tax. EVs don't use gasoline, don't pay gas taxes and don't pay for road use. So we're going to need alternative ways to pay for our roads, other than a gas tax.
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I never considered the gas tax aspect. I would be fine with the number of miles driven to be taxed annually.
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I would add a surcharge to every kWh used from public changing station (Tesla, Electrify America, ChargePoint, etc). I would also figure out a way to collect a surcharge from home chargers without looking like Big Brother is watching. Then we need to make it palatable to the EV buying public.
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Why add an EV tax if you are charging everybody for every mile driven?
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Well, tax one or the other.
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August 26th, 2024 at 6:49:50 PM permalink
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Or just at a surcharge to EV purchases or registrations. Texans who own or purchase electric vehicles will pay up to $400 to register their “clean vehicles” and $200 every time they renew their registrations.
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Surely this leads to venue shopping.
Suddenly, savvy EV owners will transfer ownership to an LLC in a less costly state.
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August 26th, 2024 at 6:52:02 PM permalink
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

link to original post



Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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Some people will only care when it does affect them. This is how rights are lost. It is rarely all at one time. But as Don Draper said, most people want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything.

Your car has a speed limiter on it. You think it is a good thing and does not affect you. Well, such a limiter means they can disable your car a will. Anyone who understands car mechanics in the least should get this. Remember how they tried to limit travel in 2020? Think they would not hesitate to disable your car to keep you at home? Think again.
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A lot of this really depends on how the limiter works.
I think the threshold for "reckless driving" usually kicks in at +20mph. If the system simply doesn't allow acceleration beyond that point, a lot of people will object less than if it hits the brakes if you're going 61 in a 60 zone.
If the speed limit is detected onboard, and doesn't require a data connection to operate... again, less objectionable. "They" can't lock out your car Gattaca style if it doesn't have a remote impound feature.
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If they can limit your speed they can get to the fuel pump. If they can get lots that they can disable.
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This depends strongly on how the limiter works.
It may be part of the V2X system I'm starting to hear about.
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August 27th, 2024 at 4:03:37 AM permalink
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads.

Driving down US 11 for 25 miles? Your car will transmit that information to the DOT and they will charge your bank account a certain fee.

Similarly, driving on State Road 411? Ka-ching! Your car will inform the State, and money will flow out of your bank account into the State's coffers.
link to original post



You may be on to something, and some states are already looking at this in lieu of a gas tax. EVs don't use gasoline, don't pay gas taxes and don't pay for road use. So we're going to need alternative ways to pay for our roads, other than a gas tax.
link to original post



I never considered the gas tax aspect. I would be fine with the number of miles driven to be taxed annually.
link to original post



I would add a surcharge to every kWh used from public changing station (Tesla, Electrify America, ChargePoint, etc). I would also figure out a way to collect a surcharge from home chargers without looking like Big Brother is watching. Then we need to make it palatable to the EV buying public.
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Why add an EV tax if you are charging everybody for every mile driven?
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Well, tax one or the other.
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Tax both. In fact, they should combine the two and add a tax on top of it.
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August 27th, 2024 at 4:10:33 AM permalink
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Or just at a surcharge to EV purchases or registrations. Texans who own or purchase electric vehicles will pay up to $400 to register their “clean vehicles” and $200 every time they renew their registrations.
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Surely this leads to venue shopping.
Suddenly, savvy EV owners will transfer ownership to an LLC in a less costly state.
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A few might try. But states do look out for this sort of thing. AZ patrols parking lots of office parks and leaves a note saying, "Welcome to AZ, you need to register your vehicle here" to cars with out of state plates. Every transplant ends up with a few since nobody rushes to register as it is costly. This also means you need a drop-box location for a mailing address.

The mileage tax is a sticky one. If you have state inspection all you need to do is have it recorded as part of said inspection. Or you just write it on your renewal. But this is not good enough for some pols who want monitoring of each and every car. Same divide as always. HOA-lovers love it, say it prevents cheating. Other side realizes how much bad can come of this. Sadly, anyone who has ever lived in a HOA knows how it ends up.
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The particular system I'm dealing with is not manufacturer integrated with the vehicle. I have no idea if it's phoning home to the insurance company.

I believe I have heard talk of mandating automatic emergency braking systems on new vehicles.

link to original post



Kelley Blue Book article on same thing

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/your-car-may-snitch-on-your-driving-raise-your-insurance-costs/

as regards "what do I care, I don't break the law" .... I'll remind everybody that you can go down the entire Bill of Rights and say on each one " I don't care if they get rid of this one, I don't break the law, or it doesn't affect me [etc] "
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Some people will only care when it does affect them. This is how rights are lost. It is rarely all at one time. But as Don Draper said, most people want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything.

Your car has a speed limiter on it. You think it is a good thing and does not affect you. Well, such a limiter means they can disable your car a will. Anyone who understands car mechanics in the least should get this. Remember how they tried to limit travel in 2020? Think they would not hesitate to disable your car to keep you at home? Think again.
link to original post



A lot of this really depends on how the limiter works.
I think the threshold for "reckless driving" usually kicks in at +20mph. If the system simply doesn't allow acceleration beyond that point, a lot of people will object less than if it hits the brakes if you're going 61 in a 60 zone.
If the speed limit is detected onboard, and doesn't require a data connection to operate... again, less objectionable. "They" can't lock out your car Gattaca style if it doesn't have a remote impound feature.
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If they can limit your speed they can get to the fuel pump. If they can get lots that they can disable.
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This depends strongly on how the limiter works.
It may be part of the V2X system I'm starting to hear about.
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It does not matter if it works at the fuel pump or shuts off cylinders or anything else. If they have access and can limit speed they can limit the speed to 0. No thanks.
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Two Henderson, Nevada, men have been indicted and are set to face trial for allegedly damaging ancient rock formations at Lake Mead.

Payden David Guy Cosper and Wyatt Clifford Fain were arraigned on Friday and both men pleaded not guilty to one count of injury and depredation of government property.

According to allegations in the indictment and a statement from the US Attorney’s Office, on April 7, 2024, the men pushed chunks of ancient rock formations over the edge of a cliff near the Redstone Dunes Trail at the Lake Mead National Recreation Area, causing damage in excess of $1,000.

“There were no signs posted at the entrance prohibiting pushing rocks or that it was a federally a protected site,” said Ross Goodman, an attorney representing Cosper.

“Mr. Cosper did not have any knowledge that pushing a boulder was unlawful until the US Marshalls showed up [at] his house four months later,” Goodman said in a statement to CNN.

Brian Pugh, the attorney representing Fain, said, “The justice system presumes that all accused of a crime are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise in a court of law. This applies to Mr. Fain.”

A jury trial is set for October 8, 2024. The defendants could each face up to 10 years in prison, if convicted, according to a release from the US Attorney’s Office, District of Nevada.

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Don Schlesinger, author of one of the great bj books "Blackjack Attack" spent his career as a high level options trader and later an Executive

trading options is not for me but I find the strategies very interesting

on another forum I asked him this question and got this answer

the most interesting quote - "the simple secret to options is selling them. the only thing you ought to do with an option is sell it or don't sell it"

this makes perfect sense - trying to take advantage of those who buy options hoping a stock will go way up

he said he sold "strangles" - I didn't know what that was so I looked it up :

"A strangle is an options strategy in which the investor holds a position in both a call and a put option with different strike prices, but with the same expiration date and underlying asset."



"Don, I'm curious if I might ask - as a Proprietary Trader and Options Strategist at Morgan Stanley did you have a set goal for your trading?"


"No, nothing like that. Never had the slightest idea what requirements were for taking the positions we did. Everything was handled by the back office. So, there was no notion of a ROI or ROE. We did primarily index options and futures (arbitrage) trading. Just sat there all day, doing absolutely anything I wanted to, trying to make money in as a responsible way as possible. Each trader had his own book and, therefore, his own personal P&L that contributed to the group's overall P&L. Marked to market everyday, meaning you made or lost REAL money every day, contrary to what you discussed above.

At the end of the year, you had a bottom line. I never had close to a losing year. We made millions. The simple secret to options is selling them. It's what all the pros do. I used to have a motto: The only thing you ever ought to do with an option is sell it or don't sell it! For the most part, I sold strangles, but of course fooled around with all different kinds of spreads -- always hedged. Rarely had a directional opinion.

Anyway, because of my former background as a teacher, I eventually left the desk to become director of worldwide equity derivatives training and education. And I traveled all over the world delivering the conferences. Exciting times!"

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September 3rd, 2024 at 12:07:23 PM permalink
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Don Schlesinger, author of one of the great bj books "Blackjack Attack" spent his career as a high level options trader and later an Executive

trading options is not for me but I find the strategies very interesting

on another forum I asked him this question and got this answer

the most interesting quote - "the simple secret to options is selling them. the only thing you ought to do with an option is sell it or don't sell it"

this makes perfect sense - trying to take advantage of those who buy options hoping a stock will go way up

he said he sold "strangles" - I didn't know what that was so I looked it up :

"A strangle is an options strategy in which the investor holds a position in both a call and a put option with different strike prices, but with the same expiration date and underlying asset."




Somewhere around 90% of options will expire worthless. Calls and puts at the same price mean 50% will right there assuming equal numbers of calls and puts are written.

I am talking about this in the thread I just started. If you can find an option with very low theta and decent daily range you buy the call and put right before closing on wed or thursday before expiration. Then at open you hope for a good pop up or down, then sell. Then hold the other the rest of the day waiting for reversal as most stocks will be up or down at some point on most days.

Covered calls make money steadily but are like watching reports on Taylor Swift's antics.
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QR code scams? Saw this mentioned.

What appears to be a parking ticket is on your vehicle. It references a QR code to scan. You scan it and lose your house, wife, children and dog.

I didn’t really read the details. What can happen? Pirate ware to steal your id? Or what?
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QR code scams? Saw this mentioned.

What appears to be a parking ticket is on your vehicle. It references a QR code to scan. You scan it and lose your house, wife, children and dog.

I didn’t really read the details. What can happen? Pirate ware to steal your id? Or what?
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Your payment goes to the crooks, and the ticket remains unpaid, increasing in cost as penalties and interest pile up.
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September 9th, 2024 at 6:05:02 AM permalink
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QR code scams? Saw this mentioned.

What appears to be a parking ticket is on your vehicle. It references a QR code to scan. You scan it and lose your house, wife, children and dog.

I didn’t really read the details. What can happen? Pirate ware to steal your id? Or what?
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Your payment goes to the crooks, and the ticket remains unpaid, increasing in cost as penalties and interest pile up.
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But the ticket isn't real. That's the scam. There's no "unpaid" ticket, because there was never one to begin with, so there are no associated costs or penalties piling up.
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a murder happened just about 100 yards from where I live
a man has been arrested for killing his sister
it's a very safe neighborhood - nothing like this has ever happened since I've been here - a very long time
of course, I'm aware that we live in a violent world
still, when it happens this close to you - it's upsetting

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a murder happened just about 100 yards from where I live
a man has been arrested for killing his sister
it's a very safe neighborhood - nothing like this has ever happened since I've been here - a very long time
of course, I'm aware that we live in a violent world
still, when it happens this close to you - it's upsetting

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Most homicides are like that. Someone the victim knows. Random killings are rare.
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a murder happened just about 100 yards from where I live
a man has been arrested for killing his sister
it's a very safe neighborhood - nothing like this has ever happened since I've been here - a very long time
of course, I'm aware that we live in a violent world
still, when it happens this close to you - it's upsetting

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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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Where on earth do you live and why haven't you left already....None of that is even remotely normal. I would have been out of there decades ago. What is keeping you there?
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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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Where on earth do you live and why haven't you left already....None of that is even remotely normal. I would have been out of there decades ago. What is keeping you there?
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I would have to abandon my parents. Parents refuse to leave city. I lawnmow and clean many lots we own and maintenance for city contractor offices. Mom still has legal authority until dementia. Then I would need to sue her for mental incapacity and sell assets.

I wanted to move away since 1989. This year, I have come to a realization it may become worse. This year, I tried to tell her to move. I'm seeing a ramp up of activity (break ins, trespassing, shootings, cars, etc etc). But I do have a place in another city that I frequent.

2008, two medical doctors and a doctorate said that I will die of a cerebral stroke even under meds and to quit working for Dad. I should have ran away in 1989. My neighbor's son left to Germany as a high school teacher and never came back. He decided not to attend his dad's funeral.
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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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Where on earth do you live and why haven't you left already....None of that is even remotely normal. I would have been out of there decades ago. What is keeping you there?
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Parents refuse to leave city. Lawn mow and clean many lots we own and maintenance for city contractor offices. Mom still has legal authority until dementia. Then I would need to sue her for mental incapacity and sell assets.

I wanted to move away since 1989. This year, I have come to a realization it may become worse. This year, I tried to tell her to move. I'm seeing a ramp up of activity (break ins, trespassing, shootings, cars, etc etc). But I do have a place in another city that I frequent.

2008, two medical doctors and a doctorate said that I will die of a cerebral stroke even under meds and to quit working for Dad. I should have ran away in 1989. My neighbor's son left to Germany as a high school teacher and never came back. He decided not to attend his dad's funeral.
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Have you said somewhere what city you live in. It sounds like Chicago or St Louis.
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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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Where on earth do you live and why haven't you left already....None of that is even remotely normal. I would have been out of there decades ago. What is keeping you there?
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Parents refuse to leave city. Lawn mow and clean many lots we own and maintenance for city contractor offices. Mom still has legal authority until dementia. Then I would need to sue her for mental incapacity and sell assets.

I wanted to move away since 1989. This year, I have come to a realization it may become worse. This year, I tried to tell her to move. I'm seeing a ramp up of activity (break ins, trespassing, shootings, cars, etc etc). But I do have a place in another city that I frequent.

2008, two medical doctors and a doctorate said that I will die of a cerebral stroke even under meds and to quit working for Dad. I should have ran away in 1989. My neighbor's son left to Germany as a high school teacher and never came back. He decided not to attend his dad's funeral.
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Have you said somewhere what city you live in. It sounds like Chicago or St Louis.
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I left out alot of info and stories.
I will most likely move to another city after mom decides to go into an assisted living. I found a possible assisted living outside our hometown. She wants to stay home. It's a money pit. And needs new siding.
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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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Where on earth do you live and why haven't you left already....None of that is even remotely normal. I would have been out of there decades ago. What is keeping you there?
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Sorry man, but this situation is like one of those old Dear Abby letters, where everyone who reads it goes wtf. I'd question anyone who made me stay in that situation, whether they really cared about me or not. Harsh I guess.




Parents refuse to leave city. Lawn mow and clean many lots we own and maintenance for city contractor offices. Mom still has legal authority until dementia. Then I would need to sue her for mental incapacity and sell assets.

I wanted to move away since 1989. This year, I have come to a realization it may become worse. This year, I tried to tell her to move. I'm seeing a ramp up of activity (break ins, trespassing, shootings, cars, etc etc). But I do have a place in another city that I frequent.

2008, two medical doctors and a doctorate said that I will die of a cerebral stroke even under meds and to quit working for Dad. I should have ran away in 1989. My neighbor's son left to Germany as a high school teacher and never came back. He decided not to attend his dad's funeral.
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Have you said somewhere what city you live in. It sounds like Chicago or St Louis.
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I left out alot of info and stories.
I will most likely move to another city after mom decides to go into an assisted living. I found a possible assisted living outside our hometown. She wants to stay home. It's a money pit. And needs new siding.
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You've certainly found the recipe for destroying your own health.
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My bro sister and two nieces were murdered by gunshot in the 1990's. I'm the last decendant. We have no criminal history or motive. Cops have on day one said in person and newspaper as suicides. In the 70's, the hometown was number one dangerous city in the US. We are now number 7 according to a source. I've been mugged 10 times since 2006. Death threats. 2006, a man wearing a mask hanging out a window driving next to me. There is more I could say since 1984. 1984 was first attempt. Mom doesn't want to talk about why Dad wanted to leave in the early 70's. He made up his mind to leave. But was convinced by a family member to stay.

Past week, I've researched other states and countries to live. English above 50%, Peace index (war), safety (crime), price level (conversion rate), gun control, filtered internet, transportation system (sidewalk subway safety), police brutality (corruption).

Waymo may solve transportation safety.
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Where on earth do you live and why haven't you left already....None of that is even remotely normal. I would have been out of there decades ago. What is keeping you there?
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Parents refuse to leave city. Lawn mow and clean many lots we own and maintenance for city contractor offices. Mom still has legal authority until dementia. Then I would need to sue her for mental incapacity and sell assets.

I wanted to move away since 1989. This year, I have come to a realization it may become worse. This year, I tried to tell her to move. I'm seeing a ramp up of activity (break ins, trespassing, shootings, cars, etc etc). But I do have a place in another city that I frequent.

2008, two medical doctors and a doctorate said that I will die of a cerebral stroke even under meds and to quit working for Dad. I should have ran away in 1989. My neighbor's son left to Germany as a high school teacher and never came back. He decided not to attend his dad's funeral.
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Have you said somewhere what city you live in. It sounds like Chicago or St Louis.
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Good you don't know what city. We don't want this to become a racial thread.
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September 13th, 2024 at 7:18:27 PM permalink
I believe in the past you have said you are in the Houston area., always read your posts and remember you saying your parents own a restaurant.
I have friends who had a restaurant in Houston and they sold it . They are trying to leave because the crime is so bad.
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I believe in the past you have said you are in the Houston area., always read your posts and remember you saying your parents own a restaurant.
I have friends who had a restaurant in Houston and they sold it . They are trying to leave because the crime is so bad.
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I never would have guessed Texas because I never think about Texas. I was there once 45 years ago I thought I was going to die it was so hot and humid so I guess I erased it from my memory.
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I believe our future will involve monetizing roads - converting what are now free roads into toll roads..
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Cameras and laser curtains are already in place in Manhattan to do that. Congestion pricing was supposed to begin on June 30th, but the Governor postponed it.

Any car traveling in Manhattan below 60th street was going to be charged $15 for the day. Trucks would pay more.
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I believe in the past you have said you are in the Houston area., always read your posts and remember you saying your parents own a restaurant.
I have friends who had a restaurant in Houston and they sold it . They are trying to leave because the crime is so bad.
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I never would have guessed Texas because I never think about Texas. I was there once 45 years ago I thought I was going to die it was so hot and humid so I guess I erased it from my memory.
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Sources have drasticly different rankings depending on the source.
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Your car has a speed limiter on it.
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Audi, BMW and Mercedes have been limited to 155 mph for years now, with Mercedes I believe being the first among the German manufacturers.
Porches and Italian sports cars are not.

However, this may be changing and it will be a big blow for Porsche and the likes of Ferrari Lamborghini etc. Maybe they will get around it for cars sold to the U.S. market.

MANDATORY SPEED LIMITERS TO BE INTRODUCED TO ALL NEW CARS IN THE E.U.

It’s only been a matter of months since new cars had to warn drivers when they were driving over the speed limit by regulatory mandate. As of 7th July 2024, however, that warning system will be joined by an outright speed limiter.

Happily, there will also be an off switch, at least initially, which even regulators admit is a move to aid acceptance of the system.

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I can tell you that 155 mph is plenty fast. It has been years since I have taken any car beyond that, and even then only maybe 10 mph beyond that, and at anywhere near that speed all the other cars on the freeway (which ideally, you want to do this when there are no other cars on the freeway), look like they are parked.
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Why would you give this to your wife. Or did she give it to you because she thought it looked like you.
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Why would you give this to your wife. Or did she give it to you because she thought it looked like you.
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We always buy each other one silly gift and it will look good in the pool.
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One of the wife's birthday presents.


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Why would you give this to your wife. Or did she give it to you because she thought it looked like you.
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We always buy each other one silly gift and it will look good in the pool.
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One of the wife's birthday presents.


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Why would you give this to your wife. Or did she give it to you because she thought it looked like you.
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We always buy each other one silly gift and it will look good in the pool.
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She is not going to outdo you on silly anytime soon.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
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