Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
my vote for the greatest female vocalist of all time (modern music - not considering opera) is Ella Fitzgerald
I don't at all like her scat singing for example in "Lady be Good"
but in other songs especially in "Summertime" and "Let's Do It - Let's Fall in Love" she's literally amazing
her vocals are deep and rich and multi layered - nobody can touch her imho - to me she's a Queen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2bigf337aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYKGL6MgKM
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my vote for the greatest female vocalist of all time (modern music - not considering opera) is Ella Fitzgerald
I don't at all like her scat singing for example in "Lady be Good"
but in other songs especially in "Summertime" and "Let's Do It - Let's Fall in Love" she's literally amazing
Etta James
Mavis Staples (seen her live several times)
"Feeling Good"_____________Nina Simone
oh yeaaaaaaah___________________________I'm feelin' good too when I here this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHs98TEYecM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
my vote for the greatest female vocalist of all time (modern music - not considering opera) is Ella Fitzgerald
I don't at all like her scat singing for example in "Lady be Good"
but in other songs especially in "Summertime" and "Let's Do It - Let's Fall in Love" she's literally amazing
her vocals are deep and rich and multi layered - nobody can touch her imho - to me she's a Queen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2bigf337aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYKGL6MgKM
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I'll take Carmen McRae, please.
There are a few modern singers doing standards; they're usually worth a listen.
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she's fantastically popular
I googled and she's already sold 46.6 million albums
the Beatles have the record with 183 million units sold - 2nd is Garth Brooks with 157 million - and then Elvis with 139 million
but she has many, many years ahead to catch them
like her or not her popularity is really astonishing
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I neither like nor dislike her. She is simply there. I dont get what people want at for tickets to her but I don’t get that for anyone either.
Beatles are more impressive for album sales as there were like 3 billion fewer people in the world then and far more were locked out of the market due to poverty or communism. Otoh people don’t buy albums now like they did then. So I just will go with hard to compare by numbers alone.
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I'm impressed by the "re-recording" she's doing to make better money on future music sales.
She sings OK. Some songs are catchy, but I doubt I could name any or sing along.
The daughters and ex-girlfriends seem to like her.
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She skews more female audience than anything I can remember. At least since Cyndi Lauper. The whole thing is fun to watch and learn from. Well, I have not learned anything from it but it is fun to watch I guess. She is what I would call "junk food media" as far as I am concerned. Something to give the tabloids something to write about. Lucky for me nobody at my office seems to care about her.
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The medics put me under anesthesia today.
They said Taylor Swift was the music they had on.
It was utterly forgettable.
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I have never heard one of her songs that I know of. I could barely pick her out of a lineup and that's only because I saw her when the Super Bowl was on. She has a net worth of over a billion dollars, yet she seems to have no talent except showing off her body. She's like the group KISS, she has merchandise and her name in every conceivable category she makes money from a hundred different directions. I never liked KISS either and cannot name a single song they ever did. Yet thanks to Gene Simmons they still make millions every year because he's a merchandising genius.
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It is impossible that you have never heard "I Want to Rock and Roll All Night."
Impossible.
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I don't have cable and I never it listen to my car radio. If I heard it I didn't know what it was and paid no attention to it but I doubt if I did. I'm very recluse when it comes to what's going on in modern culture, even most of the movies I watch now are from the 1940s and '50s. So many good movies that I've never even heard of before.
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If your bar had a jukebox you had to have heard it many times.
Quote: DieterThere are a few modern singers doing standards; they're usually worth a listen.
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Arpi Alto's cover of "The Girl from Ipanema" is much better imo than the original from Astrud Gilberto - it's very, very impressive
if you have a minute take a listen and tell me what you think -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kumXca0CQPg
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https://youtu.be/dOWpZtnoVZI?si=3NpkZ6pSD58Hrm6e
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LOL! Appreciate the comic relief, I had a good laugh.. Nobody could really mean such silliness.
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A truly empty post with EB's moronic "LOL."
So, what exactly is your take on "comic relief"? And, specifically, what "silliness"? Your over generalizations are meaningless because you know you have no clue as to what is performing talent.
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I could. Sinatra, Martin, and Nelson were pretty much one dimensional. They just sang although Nelson could play guitar.
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Willie Nelson is widely considered one of the greatest Country singers and songwriters of all time and has released 75 albums in his career. I'm not sure what else you would want him to do for you to consider him "talented."
Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin "just sang?"
Okay.
Rembrandt "just painted."
Daniel Day Lewis "just acted."
Michael Jordan "just played basketball."
What a bunch of one-dimensional no-talent hacks.
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Based on the post above, I am confident that you, Tiger, have never witnessed a Sinatra or Martin concert and perhaps a Nelson concert. You are probably too young, however, to be clear from my perspective, those guys were NOT showmen. Elvis was just a singer, but what a showman with great abilities put his audience "in the palm of his hand" and create excitement.
As far as the rest of your post, you posted it, I did not.
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Quote: tuttigym
Based on the post above, I am confident that you, Tiger, have never witnessed a Sinatra or Martin concert and perhaps a Nelson concert.
Live and in-person? No, I have not. I have seen and heard numerous recordings of them, though. You said yourself you only saw Sinatra live once, and a sample size of one is not much to go on. But that is all irrelevant to the discussion.
Quote:You are probably too young, however, to be clear from my perspective, those guys were NOT showmen.
We're not talking about "showmanship." We're talking about talent. Those are two very different things. You don't need showmanship to be talented. And just to clarify, are you implying that the Rat Pack in their heyday were not "showmen?"
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my vote for the greatest female vocalist of all time (modern music - not considering opera) is Ella Fitzgerald
I don't at all like her scat singing for example in "Lady be Good"
but in other songs especially in "Summertime" and "Let's Do It - Let's Fall in Love" she's literally amazing
Etta James
Mavis Staples (seen her live several times)
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I saw Eartha Kitt at a quaint little dinner show in NYC. Maybe 100 people in attendance.
This is the kind of Sinatra song Big was talking about. Misery loves company..
Quote: EvenBobArguing about music is just about as stupid as arguing about religion.
I concur. Let's all just agree that all music is just noise.
Well, Ella is hard to argue with, those videos that lilredrooster posted were superb. I do also like Etta James and Nina Simone a lot. But Barbara Steisand has to be in the conversation as well. My favorite current female singer is Adele.
Taylor Swift first came to popularity as someone whose song-writing appealed to young audiences. Most of the older folks who are posting on this topic, including me, are not in her target audience.
I do agree that Sinatra and Dean Martin were both superb vocalists.
As for a current vocal group, I would advocate for Pentatonix.
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I do agree that Sinatra and Dean Martin were both superb vocalists.
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Here's some trivia. For years in Japanese classes that taught English to Japanese Frank Sinatra's songs were used because he's the only American singer that pronounced every word exactly as it should be pronounced. He didn't screw it up, he didn't shorten it or slur it or mess around with it in any way. He did it so well it was a big aid in teaching Japanese how to speak proper English.
My favorite Frank trivia is probably that he always carried nothing but $100 bills, a roll of them. And he would always tip the waiter, or the waitress, or the car valet, or hotel room service, or the doorman, anybody he tipped would get $100 bill. So this of course made him very popular everywhere he went. He didn't do it because he was so generous, which he actually was. He did it because he learned from his Mafia friends when he was really young that tipping in large bills set you apart from the Riff Raff. It gave you Instant respect, it said I'm way up here and you're way down there and just so you don't forget it here's a hundred bucks for doing nothing. It worked because it's always worked and probably will always work.
Quote: ChumpChangeThe next episode was the Redd Foxx look-a-like contest that Sanford needed to win so he could pay his tax bill.
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That turned out to be quite ironic.
2 astronauts are stuck in space at the International Space Station
the spaceship that they are supposed to return in has multiple problems
when and how they will return to earth is unclear
it must be a horrible feeling
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/boeings-starliner-leaves-astronauts-stuck-but-safe-in-space/
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I'm not gonna say he's one of the greatest singers but omg did he crush this tune
this is YT's better version
the live version got 98 million views -
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Quote:Kansas City Chiefs Travis Kelce's new contract is worth $34 million, or as Taylor Swift calls it, ‘gum money', Can you imagine being in a relationship where you make $34 million and you're still the broke boyfriend?"
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Based on the post above, I am confident that you, Tiger, have never witnessed a Sinatra or Martin concert and perhaps a Nelson concert.
Live and in-person? No, I have not. I have seen and heard numerous recordings of them, though. You said yourself you only saw Sinatra live once, and a sample size of one is not much to go on. But that is all irrelevant to the discussion.
Quote:You are probably too young, however, to be clear from my perspective, those guys were NOT showmen.
We're not talking about "showmanship." We're talking about talent. Those are two very different things. You don't need showmanship to be talented. And just to clarify, are you implying that the Rat Pack in their heyday were not "showmen?"
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First, your "quote" that I saw Sinatra "once" is inaccurate. I stated that I saw him at a dinner show.
Second, listening to Sinatra on a recording or a u tube video is all one gets, which for me, is pretty much ho hum. His real talent for me was his acting, and there is wide agreement of that plus an academy award.
The "Rat Pack" indeed were showmen when they appeared together. In fact, I attended Nancy Sinatra's graduation (H.S.) party where they put on a show for over 6 hours. It might have been the most fantastic concert ever performed. Imagine, Sinatra, Martin, Davis, Jr., Bishop, Louie Prima and Keely Smith, and Lawford carrying on nonstop trying to outdo one another.
At the end of the day, "talent" is subjective and so varied as to be almost indefinable. The original premise of this conversation was for EB to give us HIS subjective view which, of course, was quite limited and kind of a nothing burger.
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Quote: rxwineStolen Taylor Swift joke.
Quote:Kansas City Chiefs Travis Kelce's new contract is worth $34 million, or as Taylor Swift calls it, ‘gum money', Can you imagine being in a relationship where you make $34 million and you're still the broke boyfriend?"
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I wrote a better Taylor joke.
When she dumps Travis, her next hit will be "I had to 86 number 87"
Quote: gordonm888Greatest female vocalist?
Well, Ella is hard to argue with, those videos that lilredrooster posted were superb. I do also like Etta James and Nina Simone a lot. But Barbara Steisand has to be in the conversation as well. My favorite current female singer is Adele.
Taylor Swift first came to popularity as someone whose song-writing appealed to young audiences. Most of the older folks who are posting on this topic, including me, are not in her target audience.
I do agree that Sinatra and Dean Martin were both superb vocalists.
As for a current vocal group, I would advocate for Pentatonix.
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Hey Gordon, if you have a chance, check out the acapella vocal group HOME FREE. For my money, they are a step above Pentatonix. One of their members, a male, has a vocal range of, I believe, six octaves. He has the lowest base range I have ever heard. Their versions of "Avira" and "Ring of Fire" are jaw dropping.
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the Loretto Chapel is famous for a spectacular staircase that is called a master work of carpentry - it was built in between 1877 and 1881 without modern tools
from Wiki:
"The staircase is built mostly out of wood and is held together by wooden pegs, no glue, nails or other hardware used. The exact wood used to build the staircase has been confirmed to be a type of spruce which is not native to New Mexico and scientifically not identified anywhere in the world."
the Washington Post quoted a carpenter who said:
"It is a magnificent work of art that humbles me as a master carpenter. To create a staircase like this using modern tools would be a feat. It's mind boggling to think about constructing such a marvel with crude hand tools, no electricity and minimal resources"
some believe it was divinely inspired and it's often called "The Miraculous Stair"
according to a Discovery Channel report that I saw the carpenter was never paid for the work - he disappeared after it was finished
a much better pic is at the link but too big to post:
https://5c26f95c4e95f2e8ae9e.cdn6.editmysite.com/uploads/b/5c26f95c4e95f2e8ae9ed703f1fcb153ac2f08c24583e959656804536ece7071/Stair-About-Us_1619826527.jpg?width=2400&optimize=medium
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Greatest female vocalist?
Well, Ella is hard to argue with, those videos that lilredrooster posted were superb. I do also like Etta James and Nina Simone a lot. But Barbara Steisand has to be in the conversation as well. My favorite current female singer is Adele.
Taylor Swift first came to popularity as someone whose song-writing appealed to young audiences. Most of the older folks who are posting on this topic, including me, are not in her target audience.
I do agree that Sinatra and Dean Martin were both superb vocalists.
As for a current vocal group, I would advocate for Pentatonix.
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Hey Gordon, if you have a chance, check out the acapella vocal group HOME FREE. For my money, they are a step above Pentatonix. One of their members, a male, has a vocal range of, I believe, six octaves. He has the lowest base range I have ever heard. Their versions of "Avira" and "Ring of Fire" are jaw dropping.
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Yes, I have listened to Home Free and enjoyed them, and I agree that the Bass vocalist is absolutely astonishing.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Greatest female vocalist?
Well, Ella is hard to argue with, those videos that lilredrooster posted were superb. I do also like Etta James and Nina Simone a lot. But Barbara Steisand has to be in the conversation as well. My favorite current female singer is Adele.
Taylor Swift first came to popularity as someone whose song-writing appealed to young audiences. Most of the older folks who are posting on this topic, including me, are not in her target audience.
I do agree that Sinatra and Dean Martin were both superb vocalists.
As for a current vocal group, I would advocate for Pentatonix.
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Hey Gordon, if you have a chance, check out the acapella vocal group HOME FREE. For my money, they are a step above Pentatonix. One of their members, a male, has a vocal range of, I believe, six octaves. He has the lowest base range I have ever heard. Their versions of "Avira" and "Ring of Fire" are jaw dropping.
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Yes, I have listened to Home Free and enjoyed them, and I agree that the Bass vocalist is absolutely astonishing.
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I have been to 5 of their concerts. They put on a great show. To fully appreciate their music, harmonies, and talent, a great sound system is in place. Every song they do has a WOW factor. The guy who does beatbox or percussion is extraordinary and does a 5+ minute solo. BTW they are all pretty tall people at about 6'2".
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If I had a nickel for every time I'd heard that...
about 15 years ago a huge mall near me closed
I was shocked - I had been shopping there for a very long time
now, another very large mall near me looks like it may go under
the little stores can't seem to make it - the mall puts wood and paint over the many empty spaces to try to cover it up
the food court is very popular but that is the only thing there that is besides the Apple store
I don't think it's enough to save the mall
I think Amazon is taking a lot of the mall business away -
I can't say that I'm in love with large shopping malls - but still - it makes me kinna sad to see this happen
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Quote: lilredrooster.
about 15 years ago a huge mall near me closed
I was shocked - I had been shopping there for a very long time
now, another very large mall near me looks like it may go under
the little stores can't seem to make it - the mall puts wood and paint over the many empty spaces to try to cover it up
the food court is very popular but that is the only thing there that is besides the Apple store
I don't think it's enough to save the mall
I think Amazon is taking a lot of the mall business away -
I can't say that I'm in love with large shopping malls - but still - it makes me kinna sad to see this happen
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The mall near where I grew up is being torn down right now. When it opened it was one of the largest in the world. It had 5 anchors, which I have never seen in a mall elsewhere. I remember it being built. I remember how insane the crowds were in the 80s and even early 90s.
Its decline and fall were amazing to watch By the end the over 100 stores had been reduced to 10 with just 2-3 being chains and one of those was a specialty chain for nurse uniforms that nobody would shop at to shop.
To blame the decline and fall on Amazon is lazy thinking. Amazon was a competitor, but WMT was years before. If I were back in college I might make it a research paper subject, but then again I would not have the long perspective I have at my age. What happened?
ANCHOR STORES--department stores started consolidating and falling by the late 70s. It took a generation, but drip by drip it happened. As they consolidated there were that many fewer tenants available for the anchor slots. Said mall by me had 5 anchors in 1980. Staring in the mid 80s it seemed one sot was always empty or in danger. The subdivided one to two one floor tenants. But even the ones that stayed open just did not have the crowds as the years went on.
SMALL STORES--Remember Merry-Go-Round who went out in the early 90s? They had 3 concepts. Most malls had 2 record stores which most died around 2000 and Napster. Radio Shack was jammed in the 80s and at Christmas lots of malls had a 2nd location pop up for the holidays. That is 5-6 stores, or 5-10% of occupancy. Nothing replaced them. All that small store retail seems to have developed in the 60s and 70s, consolidated in the 90s, then died off.
OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
The USA probably had twice the retail space needed by 2000 or so. Malls that are thriving have changed. Apple stores of course. But I was in one last week. Instead of shopping more and more "destination" storefronts with things like ceramic classes or chinese massage. The days of 100 stores of crap consumerism seem to be over.
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OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
I don't recall ever going to the mall to just hang out or socialize. We went to the mall to buy something or to go to the movie theater. Maybe it was the generation after me that was hanging out at the mall.
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OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
I don't recall ever going to the mall to just hang out or socialize. We went to the mall to buy something or to go to the movie theater. Maybe it was the generation after me that was hanging out at the mall.
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Did you like sleep thru the entire 1980s or something? You didn't have to go to know people did so.
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OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
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Several of the malls near "home" have converted from an indoor mall to a large strip mall, with no large interior aisleway between stores. With no gathering place, nobody gathers to "hang out".
Many of the malls that still have an interior common area seem to have added security policies to exclude unescorted minors. If mom can't leave the kid to socialize in the food court, why should she prefer shopping at the mall?
As far as I can tell, the big stores that aren't stumbling (Walmart, Target, Kohls, Cabelas/Bass Pro, Tractor Supply...) prefer to be standalone, rather than mall anchors. I don't get into enough malls outside the midwest to have a solid handle on business trends elsewhere.
Amazon is currently swallowing about 7% of all retail sales and it's expected to grow to 8% next year
still it's only 40% of all ecommerce sales
that means all ecommerce sales are greater than 15% of all retail sales
Walmart is huge in ecommerce too and is growing larger every year - and most other large stores offer ecommerce
this represents a huge chunk out of brick and mortar sales
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https://www.emarketer.com/content/amazon-will-surpass-40-of-us-ecommerce-sales-this-year
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OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
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Several of the malls near "home" have converted from an indoor mall to a large strip mall, with no large interior aisleway between stores. With no gathering place, nobody gathers to "hang out".
Many of the malls that still have an interior common area seem to have added security policies to exclude unescorted minors. If mom can't leave the kid to socialize in the food court, why should she prefer shopping at the mall?
As far as I can tell, the big stores that aren't stumbling (Walmart, Target, Kohls, Cabelas/Bass Pro, Tractor Supply...) prefer to be standalone, rather than mall anchors. I don't get into enough malls outside the midwest to have a solid handle on business trends elsewhere.
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Back in the 80s/early 90s malls had much more visible security. As a late teen I had friends who got ejected for being teens at the mall. You could go in, buy, go out and if you were alone usually not hassled. But on the weekend and if you were in a group they did not want that.
There was a YT meetup on the local mall I mentioned above I went to. We spread out in the abandoned food court and used the tables, chatted, and even entered a closed off portion to just run thru it. The host said there had to be no security anymore as if there was we would have been hassled and booted. I could not argue with that.
Quote: TigerWuI don't understand why enclosed malls are going out of business. There is obviously still huge demand for retail space. Brick and mortar stores are still around, and I constantly see new commercial construction and businesses opening up. For some reason, though, nobody wants to open their business in an enclosed mall. They either want a standalone building, or to be in a strip mall. I guess it's cheaper? I've been saying for several years now that shopping malls are going to make a comeback at some point in the future. I still think that's going to happen.
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I know that one store I worked for deliberately moved out of the malls. The mall took a vig on every sale, in addition to rent.
If the expenses are higher without commensurate benefit, it's bad business, and eBay, Amazon, and dozens of other online sellers can easily outcompete you.
Online sellers have trouble competing when the customer wishes to inspect the goods before buying (clothing, jewelry, etc), or when the delivery time is excessive (food). There is still value in being able to try on clothes or pick up milk in time to make dinner. There is probably a valid argument for hardware stores as well; needing to replace a dropped screw mid-project happens, stretching the project timeline (and not having a functional light fixture or doorknob) until tomorrow's free shipping arrives is sometimes undesirable.
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DieterThere are a few modern singers doing standards; they're usually worth a listen.
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Arpi Alto's cover of "The Girl from Ipanema" is much better imo than the original from Astrud Gilberto - it's very, very impressive
if you have a minute take a listen and tell me what you think -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kumXca0CQPg
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She's good, but I can tell that I'm not the audience she's singing to.
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If the expenses are higher without commensurate benefit, it's bad business, and eBay, Amazon, and dozens of other online sellers can easily outcompete you.
Online sellers have trouble competing when the customer wishes to inspect the goods before buying (clothing,
I recently bought a clothes item from Amazon and one of the things that sold me is that their description included this: "easy returns"
I wouldn't have bought it without that
and I did end up returning it and it was pretty easy
Amazon is a monster competitor of brick and mortar
if they keep growing by 1% of all retail sales every year in 7 years they will have about 14% of all retail sales
and all other ecommerce will prolly have about 18%_______________that totals 32%
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OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
I don't recall ever going to the mall to just hang out or socialize. We went to the mall to buy something or to go to the movie theater. Maybe it was the generation after me that was hanging out at the mall.
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I can count the number of times I've been in a mall in my entire life on one hand. I don't like walking when I shop, I don't like crowds, I don't like food courts, so why would I like malls. They came, they stayed, they went, I barely even noticed. I hate shopping. That's why I have all my stuff delivered. I was forced to go to a store on Monday because I buy my liquor there and they don't deliver. I hated every minute of it. I buy a 6-month supply, I should make it a year.
Quote: TigerWuI wish someone had been making a list all these years of everything EvenBob hates.
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A shorter list would be the things that I like. I like going to the library, I like going to a park in the middle of the week when there's nobody there, I like being alone which I am 98% of the time, I like watching YouTube. I like cooking everything from scratch. Things that I don't like will take up pages, why bother.
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OTHER ENTERTAINMENT--Back in the 80s you went to the mall to get out of the house. Maybe you bought some things. From internet surfing to streaming there is now more else to do. Maybe there are still mall-walkers, but what do they spend?
I don't recall ever going to the mall to just hang out or socialize. We went to the mall to buy something or to go to the movie theater. Maybe it was the generation after me that was hanging out at the mall.
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Did you like sleep thru the entire 1980s or something? You didn't have to go to know people did so.
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Honestly I don't think i knew any guys that did that. I didn't know many girls so I don't know about them but I would assume if the girls were there the guys would be too.
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I was forced to go to a store on Monday because I buy my liquor there and they don't deliver. I hated every minute of it. I buy a 6-month supply, I should make it a year.
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Will they prepare your order in advance, so you just stop in, pay, and load the boxes into the van?
I don't mind liquor stores. I don't drink much myself*, but I am responsible for restocking the liquor cabinets at three or four houses.
Quote: EvenBobI was forced to go to a store on Monday because I buy my liquor there and they don't deliver. I hated every minute of it. I buy a 6-month supply, I should make it a year.
Here Walmart does curbside pickup for liquor so you don't actually have to go in.
