Time for a "reverse-Ferguson?"
Quote: TwirdmanNo evidence has been put forth that genetics explain the difference in IQ between races.
Sorry Twirdman,
But that simply is not true. I have posted links, as have others.
-Keyser
Yes but I can't help it. if I say most teens are stupid, is that AB as well? And who would argue that statement?Quote: GandlerThat's age-bigotry...
Quote: rxwineYou got no shot, EB.
Keep dreamin'.
What's he got. Looks, smarts, money. It won't
last.. He's better looking than she is, I can't
imagine how many women hit on him a day.
I want him and I'm not even Gay..
Quote: AxelWolfIf I had to guess you do feel supirior to black people. Most of your gereration does.
Wow, that's a rather offensive thing to say, and it's racist.
Quote: AxelWolfYes but I can't help it. if I say most teens are stupid, is that AB as well? And who would argue that statement?
It's true. But it still could techically be considered bigotry.
Just like saying "females are physically weaker than men" is sexist bigotry, even if statistically true.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rxwineYou got no shot, EB.
Keep dreamin'.
What's he got. Looks, smarts, money. It won't
last.. He's better looking than she is, I can't
imagine how many women hit on him a day.
I want him and I'm not even Gay..
I just bought the kindle edition of his book Ghosts of Manhattan. It's a fictionalized account of the events that led up to the 2008 meltdown. Its been given good reviews. I'll find out for myself.
Quote: GandlerJust like saying "females are physically weaker than men" is sexist bigotry, even if statistically true.
It's not politically correct to point it out and to quote the science. In order to remain true to the left, you must ignore science, common sense, and logic.
On the left they believe that if someone is born smarter or stronger, then they should be taxed more and or punished, because they have an unfair advantage. All of this nonsense and leftist views reminds me of the story, "HARRISON BERGERON".
Some studies even correlate a person's height and/or weight with social or class status.Quote: KeyserBelieve it or not, though, when judging men just on their facial appearance, there was a relationship with actual intelligence.
Quote: SanchoPanzaSome studies even correlate a person's height and/or with social or class status.
Of course. It's also common sense. All you have to do is ask some women whether or not they'd prefer a mate that was tall and smart or short and dumb.
I doubt that the majority will choose both short and dumb.
Quote: GandlerIt's true. But it still could techically be considered bigotry.
Just like saying "females are physically weaker than men" is sexist bigotry, even if statistically true.
Jimmy the Greek got canned for explaining why present day black athletes are so good. It's because of the breeding that was done in the slave era. All Jimmy was doing was telling the truth but got canned anyway.
--- Jimmy the Greek
Quote: MrVThe black is a better athlete to begin with because hes been bred to be that way because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.
--- Jimmy the Greek
It is true. Black people are better athletes not because of their skin color. But because they were for so long bred with physical strength as a key trait. So to this day they have a lot of superior physical traits versus whites.
Athleticisms and skin color are unrelated variables. However, they reproduced with each other for so long to maximize that trait, that their population has raised the number of superior athletes and physical prowess above most other groups. And even after slavery, for many years it was taboo for interracial breeding so the genes stayed in black communities even longer.
I have no clue who Jimmy Greek is, or why he got fired, but that quote is 100% accurate....
"Rebooting Carl Sagan's seminal "Cosmos" miniseries three decades later is almost impossible unless you happen to be renowned astrophysicist and science educator Neil deGrasse Tyson."
This is a great mini-series that I am currently watching. Hard to imagine this man has inferior genes?
Quote: petroglyphhttp://youtu.be/dKIrLigwvsc
"Rebooting Carl Sagan's seminal "Cosmos" miniseries three decades later is almost impossible unless you happen to be renowned astrophysicist and science educator Neil deGrasse Tyson."
This is a great mini-series that I am currently watching. Hard to imagine this man has inferior genes?
Nobody said that he did?
Quote: petroglyphhttp://youtu.be/dKIrLigwvsc
"Rebooting Carl Sagan's seminal "Cosmos" miniseries three decades later is almost impossible unless you happen to be renowned astrophysicist and science educator Neil deGrasse Tyson."
This is a great mini-series that I am currently watching. Hard to imagine this man has inferior genes?
He's a pretty sharp person.
Quote: Gandler
Nobody said that he did?
Nobody said it or implied it. There are
genius IQ's in every race, why wouldn't
there be. The fact somebody would
even make a post like that is troublesome.
It really goes to the point of how paranoid
people are about discussing this subject.
If he identified as white, he would be in the study listed as white.Quote: petroglyphhttp://youtu.be/dKIrLigwvsc
"Rebooting Carl Sagan's seminal "Cosmos" miniseries three decades later is almost impossible unless you happen to be renowned astrophysicist and science educator Neil deGrasse Tyson."
This is a great mini-series that I am currently watching. Hard to imagine this man has inferior genes?
Quote: MrVThe black is a better athlete to begin with because hes been bred to be that way because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.
--- Jimmy the Greek
Quote: GandlerIt is true. Black people are better athletes not because of their skin color. But because they were for so long bred with physical strength as a key trait. So to this day they have a lot of superior physical traits versus whites.
Athleticisms and skin color are unrelated variables. However, they reproduced with each other for so long to maximize that trait, that their population has raised the number of superior athletes and physical prowess above most other groups. And even after slavery, for many years it was taboo for interracial breeding so the genes stayed in black communities even longer.
I have no clue who Jimmy Greek is, or why he got fired, but that quote is 100% accurate....
You can educate yourself further by googling thru google.com about who Jimmy the Greek was.
Googling is the key [to find answers] for the clueless. I was one of the clueless once. A simpleton can become a a rocket scientist by virtue of googling for answers.
We all can learn from each others...even from a very unpopular guy. Circa 2001, an eccentric poster mentioned "Google". I asked: "What the hell is Google?" He told me what Google was. Ever since that day, I have googled and found out TONS of answers for TONS of my questions such as...who's Clarence Thomas, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Colin Powell, Benjamin Solomon "Ben" Carson Sr., etc... One of those Black brothers will become the next President of USA in addition to Black President Obama.
"I realized that one of the last stereotypes that prevailed among people who carry stereotypes is that, sort of, black people are somehow dumb... this stereotype that prevailed about who's smart and who's dumb. I said to myself, 'I just have to be visible, or others like me, in that situation.' That would have a greater force on society than anything else I could imagine." By Neil deGrasse Tyson,
Quote: PetroglyphThis is a great mini-series that I am currently watching. Hard to imagine this man has inferior genes?
Wow, I'm amazed at how racist the left can be at times.
Quote: ArtemisYou can educate yourself further by googling thru google.com about who Jimmy the Greek was.
Googling is the key [to find answers] for the clueless. I was one of the clueless once. A simpleton can become a a rocket scientist by virtue of googling for answers.
We all can learn from each others...even from a very unpopular guy. Circa 2001, an eccentric poster mentioned "Google". I asked: "What the hell is Google?" He told me what Google was. Ever since that day, I have googled and found out TONS of answers for TONS of my questions such as...who's Clarence Thomas, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Colin Powell, Benjamin Solomon "Ben" Carson Sr., etc... One of those Black brothers will become the next President of USA in addition to Black President Obama.
"I realized that one of the last stereotypes that prevailed among people who carry stereotypes is that, sort of, black people are somehow dumb... this stereotype that prevailed about who's smart and who's dumb. I said to myself, 'I just have to be visible, or others like me, in that situation.' That would have a greater force on society than anything else I could imagine." By Neil deGrasse Tyson,
I am well aware of what google is. But I am not very interested in who Greek is. I am assuming the way you speak that he is some racist person. But that does not mitigate the fact that, that quote is correct. And, that is literally the only thing that I know of him...
And, I have never once argued that black people are "dumb" (in fact I have argued the exact opposite... And I have even explained why race has no inherent influence on intelligence).
I am well aware of Tyson, and enjoy him very much, great speaker, but I wish that he was a bit more aggressive in some debates, unlike Dawkins and some other science spokespersons, he seems hesitant to offend religious people, and tries a bit to hard to be politically correct.
Quote: KeyserWow, I'm amazed at how racist the left can be at times.
I hear ya Keyser, it is sad. Another example of nurture over nature. We are all a conglomeration of our experiences. If someone is raised in a house full of prejudice and hate, it seems most don't grow out of it. I think many don't even realize they are doing it and refuse to acknowledge it if pointed out to them. Much like the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".
But then again, to divide people into groups such as red/blue, left or right helps to dehumanize them before first exposure. Prejudice certainly comes in all colors and races. I think it is a basic human insecurity where people think typically, with the us versus them mentality, a herd instinct that makes people feel safer within their own "perceived" group.
If you really sit down and think about it, is it more likely you will be wronged by someone who you know [in your group] or someone you are unfamiliar with? Is a child more likely to be wronged by a stranger or someone they trust? The most effective predators will never be seen coming. So it's not those that look the most different than us that we need to be the most aware of, it is those that can move amongst us freely, unnoticed. IMO
Here is a little Bruce Hornsby "The way it is", http://youtu.be/D1NAGhiVqdg
Sounds like a clever AP to me.
Quote: KeyserSorry Twirdman,
But that simply is not true. I have posted links, as have others.
-Keyser
No you have not. You've pointed out studies that have shown that IQ is linked with genes and its obvious that race is connected with genes that does not mean that the difference in IQ between races is connected with genes. For instance genetics explains something on the order of 80% of variation in height also over the past few decades the average height has increased this increase is not genetic. How can this be if tall kids birth tall children and the answer is the variation is explained by better nutrition along with other factors which are not genetic.
So there is a real world example of something being determined by genetics but differences between populations in this case, people of 150 years ago and people of today, is not genetically determined. Is this the case we have for the difference in IQ between races who knows until significantly more research is done it remains an open question. What is clearly wrong though is you proclaiming because IQ is genetic genetics muster determine the difference between races IQ. You'll notice I have never denied that genetics explains the variation in IQ that is established science with the only question being the rate of heritability, genetic variation is currently not explained.
Police turn their backs to mayor at funeral of slain officers to show their dis-respect
Quote: GandlerI have no clue who Jimmy Greek is, or why he got fired, but that quote is 100% accurate....
Jimmy the Greek was a Las Vegas bookie who got hired by CBS to predict scores of NFL games. He was on The NFL Today for several years. It was in the late eighties when a reporter caught him in a restaurant with a little to much to drink when he made his comment about black atheletes. CBS fired him. Jimmy also made lines on the WSOP and hung out quite a bit with the poker players.
If you are trying to communicate that you do not think that the police officers should show their disapproval for an ideologue political hack who campaigned against them and faulted them even after taking office, come out and say so clearly. They have made it more than the clear that they think that the top civil authority in the largest city in the nation has significantly increased the danger to their lives. And they did so without harming any one or any property.Quote: petroglyph
Quote: SanchoPanzaIf you are trying to communicate that you do not think that the police officers should show their disapproval for an ideologue political hack who campaigned against them and faulted them even after taking office, come out and say so clearly. They have made it more than the clear that they think that the top civil authority in the largest city in the nation has significantly increased the danger to their lives. And they did so without harming any one or any property.Quote: petroglyphPolice turn their backs to mayor at funeral of slain officers to show their dis-respect
This from the article.......Amid the heartbreak and sorry of the funeral of Rafael Ramos (one of the two assassinated NYPD cops last week), hundreds of police officers turned their backs away from the large screen outside the church as New York mayor Bill De Blasio began to speak...
This is at the funeral of the slain officers where the family's have asked the mayor to attend. The cops and their union determined this is the proper venue to show their contempt for the elected mayor who is their boss. If any of those cops are being paid with tax dollars or wearing uniforms payed for with tax dollars than they should be fired.
The cops have many ways to show their disagreement with the mayor, grievance procedure, press, tv, etc. Shame on these thugs for taking over the funeral of their slain "brothers". The disrespect they wish to display will hurt those family's much more than make their point.
As posted above Serpico says they are corrupt...http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#.VJZghl4BU You are probably aware of Serpico's story made famous by a movie by Al Pacino.
The OP was " time for a reverse Ferguson", I believe this fits well with that meme. All I did was cut and paste a photo and a caption. If you have a problem with that, address that, don't pretend to be able to speak for me.
from the NYPD. 40 years later. In general cops
are not all that bright, of course a lot of them
are crooked. They spend all day dealing with
the lowest of the low in society, they think they
deserve compensation. Only thing worse is being
a prison guard, that would be really depressing.
A couple enlisted men I talked to both said morale is horrible, and they and others got out, because of Obama's perceived anti-military policies / attitude.
Quote: MrVA couple enlisted men I talked to both said morale is horrible, and they and others got out, because of Obama's perceived anti-military policies / attitude.
They're supposed to respect the office, not the
man. But that's tough when the man is such an
obvious military hater. Not as bad as Hillary, she
loathes the military, but close.
Quote: EvenBobThey're supposed to respect the office, not the
man. But that's tough when the man is such an
obvious military hater. Not as bad as Hillary, she
loathes the military, but close.
You can get is serious trouble for talking about Obama. Especially on Facebook. Its not uncommon for people to get discharged after anti Obama (or any sitting President) posts. It counts as disrespecting a senior officer since the POTUS is the top of everybody's chain of command and if somebody reports you, you will likely face actions against you.
Quote: GandlerYou can get is serious trouble for talking about Obama. Especially on Facebook. Its not uncommon for people to get discharged after anti Obama (or any sitting President) posts. It counts as disrespecting a senior officer since the POTUS is the top of everybody's chain of command and if somebody reports you, you will likely face actions against you.
I'm not in the military, but my son just
got out after 17 years. He never said
a word about any president and would
not.
Quote: GandlerYou can get is serious trouble for talking about Obama. Especially on Facebook. Its not uncommon for people to get discharged after anti Obama (or any sitting President) posts. It counts as disrespecting a senior officer since the POTUS is the top of everybody's chain of command and if somebody reports you, you will likely face actions against you.
I've read the Constitution. I don't recall the following...
"...terms and conditions may apply"
"...while supplies last"
"...not available in all states"
"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, unless the person in question actively defends this right, in which case he forfeits the rights he fights for"
Soldiers lol. I'd be a bad one.
Quote: Face
Soldiers lol. I'd be a bad one.
Soldiers, cops, middle-managers.....it is all the same. Follow orders without question. A few are really allowed to think, in the rest it is more important that you follow bad orders than come up with good ones. They would tell us "be a megaphone, not a filter!" IOW, if you get an order from above and your boss says it is a good idea, you say it is a great idea.
If you are not in command, you still need to play their little games. I have been told to "make a cheer" about some idea the bosses had or some new program. I don't even remember what. Meetings where we played charades. Guess some 23 year old supervisor's favorite sport (I guessed "curling.") Don't ever disagree, don't ever think.
The sheep survive and some may even move up. Mostly they just hope to work another day, another week, another month. Hope The Bobs think they are needed and keep them on. Eventually they do not, and the sheep start somewhere else.
They have made it more than the clear that they think that the top civil authority in the largest city in the nation has significantly increased the danger to their lives. And they did so without harming any one or any property. The 40+-year-old movie took more than a few liberties with reality. For instance, the supposed final scene of Serpico walking down 43rd Street from the newspaper office toward Broadway never occurred.Quote: petroglyphPolice turn their backs to mayor at funeral of slain officers to show their dis-respect. If you are trying to communicate that you do not think that the police officers should show their disapproval for an ideologue political hack who campaigned against them and faulted them even after taking office, come out and say so clearly.
A "boss" who campaigned against them and virtually called them racist thugs. And after taking office, making it clear that he did not have their backs. And where was it reported that the families requested the mayor's presence?Quote: petroglyphThis is at the funeral of the slain officers where the family's have asked the mayor to attend. The cops and their union determined this is the proper venue to show their contempt for the elected mayor who is their boss. If any of those cops are being paid with tax dollars or wearing uniforms payed for with tax dollars than they should be fired
No disputes over the contracts with the various bargaining units have been reported. And the press, especially in New York, has been notoriously reluctant to cover the actions and sidelights about the instigators of the recent incidents.Quote: petroglyphThe cops have many ways to show their disagreement with the mayor, grievance procedure, press, tv, etc. Shame on these thugs for taking over the funeral of their slain "brothers". The disrespect they wish to display will hurt those family's much more than make their point.
One of the big problems is the lack of similar anger and labeling toward the problematic people with whom the officers had to deal. It is no accident that the murders of the two officers in Brooklyn did not involve an all-white force. But when ardent ideologues set out on their marches, they attack figuratively and literally without much forethought.Quote: petroglyphThe OP was " time for a reverse Ferguson", I believe this fits well with that meme. All I did was cut and paste a photo and a caption.
That is exactly why the question was asked. In Brooklyn especially, a wide chasm between disrespect and disapproval exists. Disrespect would entail, for instance, giving the finger, which the officers were probably doing sub rosa as they did their about face. Don't forget that thousands of officers have signed a petition requesting that the mayor not attend their funerals if they are killed in the line of duty. That massive action appears to speak far more loudly than all the folderoll and race baiting.Quote: petroglyphIf you have a problem with that, address that, don't pretend to be able to speak for me.
It's their butts and lives on the line daily. Not so for the mayor and the other hotshots.Quote: rxwineMayor was elected. Cops weren't. Sorry cops, in the scheme of things that makes them second bananas right or wrong as they may be.
Quote: SanchoPanzaOne of the big problems is the lack of similar anger and labeling toward the problematic people with whom the officers had to deal. It is no accident that the murders of the two officers in Brooklyn did not involve an all-white force. But when ardent ideologues set out on their marches, they attack figuratively and literally without much forethought.
You're being very selective with your facts (not just in this post, and not just you) about this aspect of the protests. The people who are angriest about the violent protestors ARE the majority of non-violent protestors, a much larger group, because not only do they not support the violent protestors, they are PROTESTING VIOLENCE. They have been very vocal about their anger and disapproval; but that doesn't make the news. They are angry, also, because it negates the message they're trying to spread, and gives critics ammunition in disparaging their efforts.
The guy who killed the cops was mentally ill and violent; this was known about him long before he did this. Nobody is supporting what he did in any way.
The people who rioted in Ferguson were very different from the much larger group which marched peacefully. Many of those marchers walked every day between the event and the failure to indict, without rioting/looting/burning/hate chants. Most of those marching nationwide and now worldwide are also doing the same. Protest leaders are not allowing violent chants or anti-cop speeches; they are trying to change the system and hold the authorities to the standard required by the power they wield. To claim that these groups have the same participants, goals, or actions is to further a convenient ignorance about who they are and why they're doing it.
Quote: rudeboyoiWhat do you guys think is going to happen on new years eve in times square this year?
I think there will be a massive anti-violence protest within the crowds (which will be considerably smaller than usual), the police will be dressed in riot gear, and nothing will happen beyond a bunch of singing and drinking.
Quote: rudeboyoiWhat do you guys think is going to happen on new years eve in times square this year?
The rioters don't like the cold. If it's very cold, nothing will happen. If it's warmer than usual, something small may happen.
Quote: rudeboyoiWhat do you guys think is going to happen on new years eve in times square this year?
Whatever it is I will miss it on the road from a gig or if I am lucky back home in bed.
Quote: KeyserThe rioters don't like the cold. If it's very cold, nothing will happen. If it's warmer than usual, something small may happen.
Thats why the "Occupy" movement died. It got cold and they got sick of being outside. That and the fact that the majority of them were just plain lazy to start with and didnt have to ability to stick with anything very long. Or the weed just ran out.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're being very selective with your facts (not just in this post, and not just you) about this aspect of the protests. The people who are angriest about the violent protestors ARE the majority of non-violent protestors, a much larger group, because not only do they not support the violent protestors, they are PROTESTING VIOLENCE. They have been very vocal about their anger and disapproval; but that doesn't make the news. They are angry, also, because it negates the message they're trying to spread, and gives critics ammunition in disparaging their efforts.
The guy who killed the cops was mentally ill and violent; this was known about him long before he did this. Nobody is supporting what he did in any way.
The people who rioted in Ferguson were very different from the much larger group which marched peacefully. Many of those marchers walked every day between the event and the failure to indict, without rioting/looting/burning/hate chants. Most of those marching nationwide and now worldwide are also doing the same. Protest leaders are not allowing violent chants or anti-cop speeches; they are trying to change the system and hold the authorities to the standard required by the power they wield. To claim that these groups have the same participants, goals, or actions is to further a convenient ignorance about who they are and why they're doing it.
I don't think anyone said the majority of protesters are violent.
But some are. Enough are that many businesses got looted, people got mugged, property defaced...
And I could be missing it but I have not once heard one slogan that their marches are "protesting violence". They always talk about police profiling, police brutality, and rascsism...
Quote: rudeboyoiWhat do you guys think is going to happen on new years eve in times square this year?
The ball will drop and everybody will go home.
Quote: rudeboyoiWhat do you guys think is going to happen on new years eve in times square this year?
Perhaps the North Koreans will light off a giant stink bomb as their promised "deadly blow."
Bunch of whacked out amateurs.
The guy that was streaming was the guy that got hit. It was an SUV not a pickup.
They got the plates. Anonymous is looking into who did it now.
ABC is saying LAPD said it didnt happen. That someone ran into a crosswalk and hit his hands on a carhood. I literally saw it happen with my own eyes. There was a line of people spread across hollywood blvd. And a line of cars behind them honking their horns. Then this white car I thought was a pickup at first goes around the cars into the middle lane then speeds up through the line of protesters.
