Ebola
Bravo, Canucks.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/obama-you-cant-get-ebola-sitting-next-someone-bus-cdc-avoid-public
I believe that Obama is more worried about people being discriminated against on a bus, then he is about Ebola.
In the meantime, people on airplanes, and buses are going to start distancing themselves from the people that they believe are from Africa. And for some very good reasons!
Furthermore, the CDC chief is incompetent as well. So far, Doctors have not received anything from the CDC detailing what they should do in the event that someone with Ebola like symptoms comes into their office. Why not?
I think it's time for WHO to step in and replace the CDC in this country.
Let's "HOPE" that Mitt Romney runs in 2016. We need real leadership.
Quote: Keyser
I believe that Obama is more worried about people being discriminated against on a bus, then he is about Ebola.
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Everybody is scratching their heads about
why no travel bans and they're saying it
must be because it effects mostly Blacks,
Obama thinks it would be racist. What other
reason could there be. Much more PC to
endanger everybody than to look racist.
Since we don't have the travel filters in place, people will try and stay away from the blacks that they feel are from Africa. With Ebola on the loose, discrimination could save your life on an airplane or bus.
thing the guy who came here and died did
was hang out with his black family and blacks
in the apartment building.
Quote: MrVOn a darker note, my wife asked me, after reading the article about ebola: "how many bullets do we have?"
She fears something akin to mass chaos and disorder could erupt if this thing spirals out of control.
The influenza epidemic of 1918 estimates at the time say it killed 40–50 million people, while current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed. It is said that this flu killed more people in 24 weeks than AIDS has killed in 24 years, more in a year than the Black Death killed in a century. In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died (several times the 117,000 that died in the just finished World War I).
Probably 50,000 people die every year from flu.
It would probably take a lot of ebola victims before the USA dissolves in total anarchy.
Quote: pacomartinThe influenza epidemic of 1918 estimates at the time say it killed 40–50 million people,.
Hemingway was 19 in 1918, he lost several
friends to the flu, and was aware of many
others that died. Like many people from that
generation, he was terrified of the flu for
the rest of his life. It's ironic. Hemingway
was certainly not afraid of putting himself
in danger. He covered wars, hunted big game
in Africa, did many things that put him in
harms way. But the thought of dying from
something you can't see and can't fight terrified
him.
Katy bar the door.
Quote: MrVCanada is such a second tier country; how is it they trumped us and our much ballyhooed CDC on this one?
Bravo, Canucks.
It's because our medical universities are frickin' awesome.
We have a disease with a 70% kill rate. It spreads only through direct contact with bodily fluids, including mucous. This would mean sneezing as well.
By far, this is the largest worldwide outbreak of Ebola. There is a reason for alarm, but the alarm is similar to SARS. For planes coming from West Africa, simply apply screening measures for those inbound flights to ask each passenger if they had been in contact with anyone who was sick in the past 12 days, to deny entry for those who are apparently sick, and to ask if they were in Ebola infested areas, just like Toronto had when SARS hit here.
Previous outbreaks in war-torn and impoverished countries have been stopped before and there is no reason that we can't stop this one again. The hospital where the second person got infected shows that it isn't a huge spreader as you would expect that for something that took out a big chunk of society would be far more contagious.
So don't worry folks.
Quote: boymimboFor planes coming from West Africa, simply apply screening measures for those inbound flights to ask each passenger if they had been in contact with anyone who was sick in the past 12 days, to deny entry for those who are apparently sick, and to ask if they were in Ebola infested areas, just like Toronto had when SARS hit here.
That is a great theory because people would never lie trying to get to a country with better medical or back home. Whoops. I forgot the patient in Dallas did lie about being in an effected area and visiting a sick relative. Oh the temperature scan would pick him up, except he didn't have symptoms yet.
Take the temp of all who board flights to the U.S.A. before they board, and bar entry if a temp is detected.
Have CDC / the Feds get aggressive and proactive about this outbreak; they need to get hospitals and staff up to speed, stat, and work on a vaccine.
Ounce of prevention, pound of cure.
All experts are stating that the spread of this disease is limited. The hundreds of people on the plane from Liberia that Duncan arrived from did not contract Ebola. The family members who had close contact with Duncan did not contract Ebola.
All of the previous outbreaks died out.
Relax.
Ebola in Town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_WOR22-SnY
Texas hospital. CDC. Everybody relevant.
So I'm not satisfied they know just when a person becomes infectious. Or how it's transmitted (what the level of contact has to be).
Still not in panic mode. But questions of credibility of information being disseminated continue.
With them doing inbound screening and putting Go Teams in place, perhaps they'll get it under control. Perhaps they will need to do more if they're continuing to underestimate the regimen necessary to stop this. Time will tell.
Quote: beachbumbabs
So I'm not satisfied they know just when a person becomes infectious. Or how it's transmitted (what the level of contact has to be).
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Obama is on TV telling us not to worry,
he thinks he has little chance of getting
Ebola. He hopes.
Quote: beachbumbabsSo far we have the experts saying mostly "OOPS: We mishandled this."
Texas hospital. CDC. Everybody relevant.
So I'm not satisfied they know just when a person becomes infectious. Or how it's transmitted (what the level of contact has to be).
Still not in panic mode. But questions of credibility of information being disseminated continue.
With them doing inbound screening and putting Go Teams in place, perhaps they'll get it under control. Perhaps they will need to do more if they're continuing to underestimate the regimen necessary to stop this. Time will tell.
The disease itself will tell. A planeload full of people with one Ebola infected person infects no one. Guy arrives in a hospital with symptoms - gets turned away - infects no one. Guy arrives again and a nurse who worked very closely with the patient gets Ebola (and is healthy right now). No one else gets infected.
The disease itself is not bird flu. It's quite uncontagious.
Tick ... tick ... tick
Quote: MrVSo now a second nurse has Ebola, and she flew on a plane fully aware she had a fever and likely had Ebola.
Tick ... tick ... tick
For not being very contagious, we sure are
hearing a different story.
So a nurse who worked near the first patient flies. She should be thrown in jail for something that stupid.
Never mind.
Nature already meted out his punishment.
Quote: GWAEmaybe this will be the solution for the social security crisis.
So a nurse who worked near the first patient flies. She should be thrown in jail for something that stupid.
She called the CDC first according to reports. Her temp didn't meet the standard, so they said she was okay. (Believe it was 99.5)
I imagine low grade temps for anyone who has had contact is going to be the standard soon -- since she was someone who knew she had contact with the patient.
Quote: EvenBobFor not being very contagious, we sure are
hearing a different story.
You do realize that this means the original US patient started 2 infections so a reproductive rate of 2 from this sample. That is not very contagious at all. To put that in perspective when measles was widespread before vaccination each infected person spread to on average 17 people, that is a very contagious disease.
Quote: TwirdmanYou do realize that this means the original US patient started 2 infections so a reproductive rate of 2 from this sample. That is not very contagious at all. To put that in perspective when measles was widespread before vaccination each infected person spread to on average 17 people, that is a very contagious disease.
The Power of 2 is exponential. It needs to get down below 1 before it's under control.
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/presbyterian-workers-wore-no-protective-gear-for-two-days-while-treating-ebola-patient.html/
This could mean a couple of things--a low infection rate if no more of the dozens of people that worked on the Duncan case get infected or additional cases that represent a higher infection rate. In either case, not using hazmat suits and having a less then stringent protocol may have more to do with the spread than anything else.
Quote: beachbumbabsThe Power of 2 is exponential. It needs to get down below 1 before it's under control.
This is true and most likely it will go down to 0 after these 2 are treated. There are reports that this hospital was improperly handling things and the nurses came in direct contact with bodily fluids. But a reproduction rate of 2 gives an idea of how quickly it spreads. Specifically it would take roughly 10-20 weeks for this to even spread to 1000 people if it could maintain the reproductive rate of 2 something very unlikely given that that rate is also what is observed in Africa with vastly different behaviors then the US leading to increased spreading of the disease.
Quote: artvandelaySHELTER IN PLACE!
Regardless of whether Ebola becomes the next plague, everyone should be prepared. Remember this story from awhile back:
Quote:ROTTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS—Locked up in the bowels of the medical faculty building here and accessible to only a handful of scientists lies a man-made flu virus that could change world history if it were ever set free.
The virus is an H5N1 avian influenza strain that has been genetically altered and is now easily transmissible between ferrets, the animals that most closely mimic the human response to flu. Scientists believe it's likely that the pathogen, if it emerged in nature or were released, would trigger an influenza pandemic, quite possibly with many millions of deaths.
In a 17th floor office in the same building, virologist Ron Fouchier of Erasmus Medical Center calmly explains why his team created what he says is "probably one of the most dangerous viruses you can make"—and why he wants to publish a paper describing how they did it. Fouchier is also bracing for a media storm. After he talked to ScienceInsider yesterday, he had an appointment with an institutional press officer to chart a communication strategy.
http://news.sciencemag.org/2011/11/scientists-brace-media-storm-around-controversial-flu-studies
on a bus, then later said you can't get it on a bus.
I feel so safe now..
Quote: EvenBobThe CDC directer says Ebola can be transmitted
on a bus, then later said you can't get it on a bus.
I feel so safe now..
If the CDC Director is who I just heard being questioned by a panel (I breezed by TV), he's an idiot. He said that he had not seen the transcript from the phone call the nurse made to the CDC before flying. What? You have three cases in the USA...THREE...and you don't know all of the details?
Quote: RonCIf the CDC Director is who I just heard being questioned by a panel (I breezed by TV), he's an idiot. He said that he had not seen the transcript from the phone call the nurse made to the CDC before flying. What? You have three cases in the USA...THREE...and you don't know all of the details?
She called the CDC and told them she had
treated the patient in Dallas, and she had
a fever. No problem they said, get on the
plane. Makes you want to laugh uproariously.
Quote: EvenBobShe called the CDC and told them she had
treated the patient in Dallas, and she had
a fever. No problem they said, get on the
plane. Makes you want to laugh uproariously.
They did not use their thinking skills...okay, that fever isn't high enough based on my chart but shouldn't the additional information (she treated the patient in Dallas) be considered? Nope. It isn't on my chart.
Go ahead, ma'am.
Quote: RonCThey did not use their thinking skills...okay, that fever isn't high enough based on my chart but shouldn't the additional information (she treated the patient in Dallas) be considered? Nope. It isn't on my chart. Go ahead, ma'am.
And they're TRAINED in what to do. What
would untrained people have told her?
Quote: RSHow many people on that flight have caught the e-bolaz?
Could take 3 weeks to find out. What some are
most afraid of is that it gets to Central America
and there's a huge surge of frightened people
surging our border. That's a bigger scare than
Obola becoming a problem here. No, Obola
is not a spelling error.
Quote: EvenBobWhat some are
most afraid of is that it gets to Central America
and there's a huge surge of frightened people
surging our border.
Well then, maybe we'd better start building bunkers all along the Mexican border and man them with troops equipped with heavy machine guns and flame throwers.
Of course, keep tactical nukes in reserve, along with nerve gas.
Hell, should have done that years ago.
Quote: MrVWell then, maybe we'd better start building bunkers all along the Mexican border and man them with troops equipped with heavy machine guns and flame throwers.
Of course, keep tactical nukes in reserve, along with nerve gas.
Hell, should have done that years ago.
That's what I been saying, but, people kept calling me racist!
Quote: RSHow many people on that flight have caught the e-bolaz?
Who cares? The people at the CDC should have told her not to fly.
Quote: RonCWho cares? The people at the CDC should have told her not to fly.
Regardless, it will show how infectious the disease is (if, in fact, she was contagious during the time she was on the flight).
Quote: RSRegardless, it will show how infectious the disease is (if, in fact, she was contagious during the time she was on the flight).
Didn't the CDC director say Obola can be transmitted
on a plane but you can't catch it on a plane? No wait,
it was a bus. Plane travel is safe as long as you don't
touch anybody or inhale on the flight.
Quote: ncfatcatI seriously doubt anyone flying on the plane with the nurse with a 99.5 fever gets it unless she puked on them.
Or coughed or sneezed, that's all it takes.
Let's hope she was able to hold it.
Now if she didn't, what about the toxic waste in the restroom?
Get iron poor and zinc rich and get fresh air.
Quote: EvenBobOr coughed or sneezed, that's all it takes.
Only on people who won't let you recline.
