Ebola
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:11:23 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIs a Person Contagious During the Ebola Incubation Period?
Even if a person exhibits no signs or symptoms of Ebola, he or she can still spread the virus during the incubation period.
Where are you reading this. The WHO article I linked clearly points to they are not infectious during incubation period. So does the CDC article I posted earlier. Also notice you backed down on the point how you are no longer infectious when you are symptomatic.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:15:01 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishYou are infectious during and after you show symptoms is the point.
The point is, if you're in the incubation period, which
takes up to 10 days, you're still infectious and can
walk thru any airport inspection. Or come across
the southern border.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:19:30 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThe point is, if you're in the incubation period, which
takes up to 10 days, you're still infectious and can
walk thru any airport inspection. Or come across
the southern border.
Again this is false according to both WHO and CDC. I don't know where you keep getting that ebola is infectious during its incubation time but it is not according to the CDC, WHO, and everyone I have talked to about this subject.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:26:24 PM
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What happens when we have someone with Ebola in charge of food preperation at a school or large public gathering? It's very common for immigrants to be in such positions.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:29:14 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThe point is, if you're in the incubation period, which
takes up to 10 days, you're still infectious and can
walk thru any airport inspection. Or come across
the southern border.
If that's the point, why did you say "if you show symptoms you are beyond the infectious stage." I'm not read up like Twirdman, but I am unfamiliar with any virus being infectious for the first half of its latency period. Ebola is not airborne, and if infectious, it would require bodily fluid transfer...unlikely to happen in any crowded place. In America, when someone starts bleeding from every opening, very few people use that as an opportunity to lick the person or share semen, at least not without latex.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:30:11 PM
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Quote: KeyserWhat happens when we have someone with Ebola in charge of food preperation at a school or large public gathering? It's very common for immigrants to be in such positions.
So they are not routinely traveling to Liberia or any other country where Ebola is located. Also again cannot spread if not symptomatic. Also normally precautions are taken like wearing gloves. Also that would at worst infect a single school and once it was discovered they could quarantine all those people.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:34:54 PM
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Quote: TwirdmanSo they are not routinely traveling to Liberia or any other country where Ebola is located. Also again cannot spread if not symptomatic. Also normally precautions are taken like wearing gloves. Also that would at worst infect a single school and once it was discovered they could quarantine all those people.
You get ebola from eating raw bats, taking care of people with ebola without medical protection, and playing with corpses. Does he really think that elementary food cooks bleed into kids' food?
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:38:22 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishYou get ebola from eating raw bats, taking care of people with ebola without medical protection, and playing with corpses. Does he really think that elementary food cooks bleed into kids' food?
Hepatitis has been spread to school children in the past because of an infected employee. Fecal contamination from poor handwashing used to be one of the main threats. And if you don't think that Ebola is in feces, then think again. And yes, food prep never ever causes a cut finger. So blood in the food would be, well, completely impossible. Right?
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:47:21 PM
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Quote: KeyserHepatitis has been spread to school children in the past because of an infected employee. Fecal contamination from poor handwashing used to be one of the main threats. And if you don't think that Ebola is in feces, then think again.
The window of time for someone to not know they have Ebola (and be able to work) and also be infectious (if there is any window), is very small. Perhaps we should pad our cars in rubber to protect against lightning strikes.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:49:33 PM
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If that were the case, then infectious people would never make it into the US, right?
LOL
LOL
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:50:40 PM
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Quote: TwirdmanI don't know where you keep getting that ebola is infectious during its incubation time.
Here's one place, 2nd question answered.
But I'm sure you know more than they
do about it. Snicker..
http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-incubation-period.html
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:53:46 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishThe window of time for someone to not know they have Ebola (and be able to work) and also be infectious (if there is any window), is very small.
Incubation period is 2-21 days, and you
are infectious. That's a small window, 3
weeks?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:55:54 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishThe window of time for someone to not know they have Ebola (and be able to work) and also be infectious (if there is any window), is very small. Perhaps we should pad our cars in rubber to protect against lightning strikes.
My car already has tires, are you suggesting padding the roof?
A car is one of the safest places during a lightning strike.
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:58:30 PM
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Ebola from public toilets is a real possibility as well.
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:05:21 PM
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Quote: KeyserEbola from public toilets is a real possibility as well.
Yup. Whatever is really going on, we can depend
on the gov't to tell us last. Isn't that the way it goes
in every single movie ever made about a killer
virus? The gov't goes to extreme lengths to keep
the details quiet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:07:26 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHere's one place, 2nd question answered.
But I'm sure you know more than they
do about it. Snicker..
http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-incubation-period.html
I have never heard of emedtv and really cannot find anything about it. I quoted the CDC and the WHO the two largest and most influential organizations relating to infectious diseases in the world.
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:17:12 PM
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Quote: KeyserIf that were the case, then infectious people would never make it into the US, right?
LOL
you're right we're all gonna die
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:19:32 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIncubation period is 2-21 days, and you
are infectious. That's a small window, 3
weeks?
You're not immediately infectious. Someone this misinformed must be an avid Fox News viewer.
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:20:58 PM
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Quote: petroglyphMy car already has tires, are you suggesting padding the roof?
A car is one of the safest places during a lightning strike.
No it's not, maybe if you're outside. My suggestion was facetious.
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:25:30 PM
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Fox News is the best news channel ever! The most viewers, and it's fair and balanced.
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Long live Fox!
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Long live Fox!
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:30:40 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishNo it's not, maybe if you're outside. My suggestion was facetious.
I thought you were being facetious and I just played along.
Along those lines, a car is usually outside. Agreed, it would be safer underground in a parking garage, but then it wouldn't make much sense to pad it with rubber.
Being in a car insulated from the ground is much safer than swinging a golf club during lightning.
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:33:59 PM
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Quote: petroglyphI thought you were being facetious and I just played along.
Along those lines, a car is usually outside. Agreed, it would be safer underground in a parking garage, but then it wouldn't make much sense to pad it with rubber.
Being in a car insulated from the ground is much safer than swinging a golf club during lightning.
Agreed. I think we should get back to the task of wondering how EvenBob could know so little, but still be educated enough to construct sentences.
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:41:04 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishYou're not immediately infectious. Someone this misinformed
Second question down. Wise up..
http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-incubation-period.html
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:49:31 PM
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Quote: EvenBobSecond question down. Wise up..
http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-incubation-period.html
Or for a far more well known and reliable source http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/faq-ebola/en/ question 4. Or if you prefer the quote itself
"The incubation period, or the time interval from infection to onset of symptoms, is from 2 to 21 days. The patients become contagious once they begin to show symptoms. They are not contagious during the incubation period."
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:50:47 PM
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Quote: EvenBobSecond question down. Wise up..
http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-incubation-period.html
Okay, so if the incubation period is 21 days, that means the person gets sick on day 22. All this article definitively says is the person may or may not be infectious starting on day 21. Note the use of indefinite language like 'can'. Polarized ideology and ignoring facts is a symptom of watching Fox News. Fortunately, this disease is not contagious.
October 3rd, 2014 at 10:43:37 PM
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Quote: TwirdmanOr for a far more well known and reliable source http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/faq-ebola/en/ question 4. Or if you prefer the quote itself
"The incubation period, or the time interval from infection to onset of symptoms, is from 2 to 21 days. The patients become contagious once they begin to show symptoms. They are not contagious during the incubation period."
The contagion point to this laymen is a bit of a moot point.
I know in parts of New Iberia Louisiana [so I assume elsewhere] some high school kids that are seen wearing shirts inside out were doing so because they didn't have laundry facilities. So hypothetically a kid is infected and wipes his nose on his shirt and continues to wear it all week, playing ball with his friends. Without the incubation period and scientific method of determining when this person is contagious they could easily pass snot and sweat around the entire school.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/during-an-ebola-pandemic-all-of-your-rights-would-essentially-be-meaningless
If this thread is approaching the hysterical paradigm, count me in. I love a good conspiracy in the morning.
I think I am nearing paranoia overload and becoming desensitized to any real threat around me. I am still hung up on Fukashima radiating the entire pacific ocean and all the dead starfish.
The Four horseman this way cometh.
October 10th, 2014 at 2:39:33 PM
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It sure would help if our country has some competent leadership when it comes to dealing with Ebola.
"President Barack Obama dispensed advice on how residents can avoid the disease, including:"You cannot get it through casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus."
At the same time, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is advising Americans who travel to the Ebola-stricken nations to "avoid public transportation." -By Brittany M. Hughes http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/obama-you-cant-get-ebola-sitting-next-someone-bus-cdc-avoid-public
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In the meantime, US doctors have not received any packets from the CDC as to how to deal with possible Ebola infected patients. Each year they receive their flu packets, but so far...nothing on Ebola. Why not?
-Keyser
"President Barack Obama dispensed advice on how residents can avoid the disease, including:"You cannot get it through casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus."
At the same time, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is advising Americans who travel to the Ebola-stricken nations to "avoid public transportation." -By Brittany M. Hughes http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/obama-you-cant-get-ebola-sitting-next-someone-bus-cdc-avoid-public
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In the meantime, US doctors have not received any packets from the CDC as to how to deal with possible Ebola infected patients. Each year they receive their flu packets, but so far...nothing on Ebola. Why not?
-Keyser
October 10th, 2014 at 3:15:50 PM
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Quote: SonuvabishThe window of time for someone to not know they have Ebola (and be able to work) and also be infectious (if there is any window), is very small. Perhaps we should pad our cars in rubber to protect against lightning strikes.
Like the fellow in Texas that just died. Went to the hospital with symptoms and got sent home. Waited for 3 days before coming back.
Be careful when you follow the masses, the M is sometimes silent.
October 10th, 2014 at 3:19:24 PM
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What I don't understand is why haven't our US doctors received anything from the CDC as to how to deal with Ebola???
My doctor friends are saying that they're having to do their own research at this point.
My doctor friends are saying that they're having to do their own research at this point.
October 10th, 2014 at 5:05:07 PM
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There was an airplane quarantined at McCarran.
Apparently not ebola but did they really check properly? Not going to stick my ginger in any throw up for the next while.
Apparently not ebola but did they really check properly? Not going to stick my ginger in any throw up for the next while.
“There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.” - Winston Churchill
October 10th, 2014 at 6:06:31 PM
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There are many varieties of infectious diseases in the world. I have lived in places that have diseases that are relatively unfamiliar to many people in the U.S. and because of that might sound especially exotic and probably seem more scary to some of them than all the ones they are more familiar with, such as dengue fever, etc. There have been worldwide pandemics of various pathogens in the past, and eventually some day there will probably be another one. Maybe, unlike 1918, which is likely to have started with and was largely spread by Americans, next time it will be one with a name that sounds particularly exotic to Americans, and be associated with a place that seems mysterious to some of them, or maybe not.
But here's the thing: Is there any particular reason to think this is likely to be one? I'm not aware of any such reason. As opposed to all the other strains of viruses and bacterial illnesses? You know, like a form of some of the more easily transmissible ones that routinely sicken millions and lead to the deaths of thousands every year? Because this seems like a particularly unlikely candidate for that, unless one assumes that it will soon radically and rather suddenly change form into something fundamentally different than what it is and has always been throughout all the decades of its existence, among other things by becoming airborne.
Until I hear a good reason I'll continue to be more concerned with the more prosaic sounding stuff like influenza and tuberculosis, and will refrain from slurping vomit and scrubbing corpses for the usual reasons.
But here's the thing: Is there any particular reason to think this is likely to be one? I'm not aware of any such reason. As opposed to all the other strains of viruses and bacterial illnesses? You know, like a form of some of the more easily transmissible ones that routinely sicken millions and lead to the deaths of thousands every year? Because this seems like a particularly unlikely candidate for that, unless one assumes that it will soon radically and rather suddenly change form into something fundamentally different than what it is and has always been throughout all the decades of its existence, among other things by becoming airborne.
Until I hear a good reason I'll continue to be more concerned with the more prosaic sounding stuff like influenza and tuberculosis, and will refrain from slurping vomit and scrubbing corpses for the usual reasons.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
October 10th, 2014 at 6:25:17 PM
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Quote: DrawingDeadrather suddenly change form into something fundamentally different than what it is and has always been throughout all the decades of its existence, among other things by becoming airborne.
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My understanding is it has as much chance
of becoming airborne as AIDS does. Next
to none.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2014 at 6:32:51 PM
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Quote: EvenBobMy understanding is it has as much chance
of becoming airborne as AIDS does. Next
to none.
There's a big big difference between the two. When someone with AIDS sneezes in the same room, you don't worry about catching AIDS. However, you can catch Ebola that way. Furthermore, I don't worry about setting in a cab or airline seat after someone with AIDS has sat there. However, Ebola, no way!!!
Ebola can travel in mucous and infectious particles do remain in the air after sneezing. You don't want someone with Ebola even farting in the same room. This is why they quarantine people that have been infected with Ebola, and don't quarantine people that have been infected with AIDS.
October 10th, 2014 at 7:13:07 PM
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Quote: EvenBobMy understanding is it has as much chance
of becoming airborne as AIDS does. Next
to none.
I walk in the house and the door is thirty feet from the crock pot. My goodness does that corn beef and cabbage smell good. It instantly causes my glands to salivate.
The fact that I can smell that means that I have taken particles from that cooking which have "aerosolized" ttps://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?type=avastbcl&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-001&p=aerosolized. into my nose and nasal passages.
How do you think all the medical staff [87?] with cdc best practices caught and died from ebola?
October 10th, 2014 at 7:40:36 PM
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CDC says it's not airborne.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2014 at 7:50:29 PM
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"The CDC also explains a person may contract Ebola if he or she “spends a long amount of time within three feet (one meter) of a person who is sick with Ebola.”
Recommended precautions to avoid contracting Ebola “includes wearing a mask over your mouth and nose, waterproof gloves, a gown (to protect clothing), and eye protection (goggles or a face shield – corrective glasses are not enough).”
If someone with Ebola sneezes near you then you can contract it. The CDC is warning people to avoid public transportation in affected countries.
Recommended precautions to avoid contracting Ebola “includes wearing a mask over your mouth and nose, waterproof gloves, a gown (to protect clothing), and eye protection (goggles or a face shield – corrective glasses are not enough).”
If someone with Ebola sneezes near you then you can contract it. The CDC is warning people to avoid public transportation in affected countries.
October 10th, 2014 at 8:53:09 PM
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Quote: EvenBobCDC says it's not airborne.
They may be telling you it's not airborne.
Do you see the recommended hazmat gear they are using? They want to avoid panic.
I talked with a dr. yesterday, the hospital today and a police rep two days ago. That's not the story workers especially nurses are getting on the front line.
Good luck to ya Bob, I hope you eat the heck out of Vit. C and keep your immune system healthy.
October 10th, 2014 at 9:04:39 PM
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Not easy to catch or spread?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/public-health-emergency-declared-connecticut-over-ebola-civil-rights-suspended-indef#comments
An Ebola Outbreak Would Be Advantageous For Globalists
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/10/2014 - 22:09
It's sad to say with such finality, but a universal fact of existence is that most of the people you meet in this life are fundamentally and functionally ignorant. Entire nations have fallen throughout history because of this terrible weakness... By extension, such ignorance is not just an inherent disease but also an easily exploitable disease. The disease of ignorance leaves us vulnerable to many other plagues, including literal plagues like the Ebola virus. When we take the establishment at its word concerning the threat of Ebola outbreak, we make ourselves vulnerable. When people assume that the worst could never happen to them, history shows us that it inevitably does.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/public-health-emergency-declared-connecticut-over-ebola-civil-rights-suspended-indef#comments
An Ebola Outbreak Would Be Advantageous For Globalists
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/10/2014 - 22:09
It's sad to say with such finality, but a universal fact of existence is that most of the people you meet in this life are fundamentally and functionally ignorant. Entire nations have fallen throughout history because of this terrible weakness... By extension, such ignorance is not just an inherent disease but also an easily exploitable disease. The disease of ignorance leaves us vulnerable to many other plagues, including literal plagues like the Ebola virus. When we take the establishment at its word concerning the threat of Ebola outbreak, we make ourselves vulnerable. When people assume that the worst could never happen to them, history shows us that it inevitably does.
October 10th, 2014 at 9:24:45 PM
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I find it odd that in every single fictional movie
and book about modern plague, the gov't lies
through their teeth about what's really happening.
Having been indoctrinated with that all my life,
even though it's fiction, it's hard to take everything
they say as truth when it's really happening.
and book about modern plague, the gov't lies
through their teeth about what's really happening.
Having been indoctrinated with that all my life,
even though it's fiction, it's hard to take everything
they say as truth when it's really happening.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 13th, 2014 at 7:17:52 AM
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It's begun
"What, me worry?"
October 13th, 2014 at 8:13:38 AM
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Quote: MrV
I remember learning about the flu of 1918. 50 million people died. That was big.
I remember it being referenced when this new weird thing, swine flu, "swept the nation". O worry! O panic! And then like six Americans died.
Then it was avian flu. It's in birds, man! Everywhere! O, Discordia! And then no Americans died.
But SARS, dude! Stay away from Asians and Saudis! Close the air! Don't leave home! And one American died.
And just when you tire of Chicken Little, BAM! H1N1. That one hit home. Bunch of kids from here caught it, they shut down school for a week. A kid died. But I had plans to go fishing, and despite that I can see that very school from the boat launch, I went. Still here. So is almost every single other person who was there, including those infected.
But dude! Malaria! West Nile! Discarded tires will be the ruination of all! Standing water is death! And that year... mosquitoes were still just a camp time pest.
Kinda seems to be a lot of false flags and pumping out unrealized fears...
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October 13th, 2014 at 8:45:28 AM
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Posted on a lady I went to school with Facebook page (She does epidemiological research at Duke)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola
Gambling is a metaphor for life. Hang around long enough and it's all gone.
October 13th, 2014 at 8:58:37 AM
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Quote:Kinda seems to be a lot of false flags and pumping out unrealized fears...
I don't watch TV news so am unaware of what the pundits are saying: I get news from google and newspapers.
While I don't buy into hysteria, I take this one most seriously.
I hope that your flippant attitude turns out to be justified.
"What, me worry?"
October 13th, 2014 at 9:02:46 AM
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October 13th, 2014 at 9:14:16 AM
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Quote: MrVI don't watch TV news so am unaware of what the pundits are saying: I get news from google and newspapers.
While I don't buy into hysteria, I take this one most seriously.
I hope that your flippant attitude turns out to be justified.
Me neither. My only source of news is from the members of WoV and what my idiot friends link to Facebook. And what I see is appalling.
I remember learning about Ebola in high school, and even as a selfish punk I remember thinking how insanely terrible it was. For the two infected now, absolute horror.
But for the rest of us, it deserves very little attention. I guess I'm just sick of the hype and the fear mongering, sick of the misinformation guiding our courses.
I see it as America pitched in to help yet again, and some of our own died yet again. Same as people getting infected helping during tsunami, same as soldiers getting killed freeing Iraqis, same as a lot of different cases throughout our history. But somehow it's this that will be the end times, and Thanks, Obama, and how can we spin this to control the populace and gain political control.
I suppose I grow ever closer to the Battle for Bir Tawil (DT reference =p)
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October 13th, 2014 at 10:07:34 AM
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The health system has to react like it does. It's like getting the first roach in your new home.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:12:43 AM
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Quote: ncfatcatPosted on a lady I went to school with Facebook page (She does epidemiological research at Duke)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola
That blog corresponds exactly to my concerns about Ebola. Not time to panic. But serious concern, yes. Strict adherence to isolation, yes. Err on the side of quarantine and assume infection rather than figure it's too hard to transmit, yes. When the RO is equal to or less than 1, then move on. But now, another person in health care who was taking precautions is infected. Was he her only patient all that time? Probably not. So another incubation period to get thru.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:02:50 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: ncfatcatPosted on a lady I went to school with Facebook page (She does epidemiological research at Duke)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola
That blog corresponds exactly to my concerns about Ebola. Not time to panic. But serious concern, yes. Strict adherence to isolation, yes. Err on the side of quarantine and assume infection rather than figure it's too hard to transmit, yes. When the RO is equal to or less than 1, then move on. But now, another person in health care who was taking precautions is infected. Was he her only patient all that time? Probably not. So another incubation period to get thru.
It seems the cdc has changed their story again.
Its not easy to transmit but "they" have it under control.
Which, begs the question if they can control ebola then why not mrsa?
"nurses are receiving memos, not training"
October 13th, 2014 at 2:13:45 PM
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You can safely assume that it they're admitting
2 cases are here, they know of a dozen more
and are suspecting a couple more dozen they
don't know about yet. Or more.
2 cases are here, they know of a dozen more
and are suspecting a couple more dozen they
don't know about yet. Or more.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
