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kewlj
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September 15th, 2015 at 10:23:55 PM permalink
So what are we expecting from Tomorrow nights debate? Seems like many think there will be kind of a gangup against Trump.

Carly seems likely to attack him. I think that would be a huge mistake for her. That would open her up to criticism on her own record. Despite the way she paints it, her time as 'top dog' at HP was not very successful. 30,000 employees laid off. Stock fell by 50%. Pretty hostile termination.

Jeb isn't very effective at attacking. He comes off lame when he tries.

Rand Paul failed miserably when he tried to attack Trump in the first debate.

Maybe Christie or Walker will give attacking Trump a go. They need to try something.....almost anything. lol

Carson almost assuredly won't attack. He questioned Trumps religion last week and immediately apologized. Attacking isn't what he is about.
EvenBob
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September 16th, 2015 at 12:36:03 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj



Carson almost assuredly won't attack. \.



I don't get the appeal of Carson, he puts me
to sleep. He has zero experience that would
translate into presidential cred. Trump at
least has dealt with politicians for the last
30 years and brokered huge successful deals
in the private sector.
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rxwine
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September 16th, 2015 at 1:03:15 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I don't get the appeal of Carson, he puts me
to sleep. He has zero experience that would
translate into presidential cred. Trump at
least has dealt with politicians for the last
30 years and brokered huge successful deals
in the private sector.



He may cause you to snooze but he's got a decent resume' besides being a neurosurgeon.


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After graduation, Ben would work as an X-ray technician, a bank teller, a school bus driver, a supervisor for highway cleanup crews, and a crane operator in a steel factory, before being accepted into The University of Michigan School of Medicine.

He sat on the board of directors of numerous entities, including Kellogg Company, Costco Wholesale Corporation, the Academy of Achievement, and is an Emeritus Fellow of the Yale Corporation, the governing body of Yale University.

In 2001, Dr. Carson was named by CNN and TIME Magazine as one of the nation’s 20 foremost physicians and scientists. That same year, he was selected by the Library of Congress as one of 89 “Living Legends.”

He is also the recipient of the 2006 Spingarn Medal, the highest honor bestowed by the NAACP. In June, 2008, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bush, the highest civilian honor in the land.

Dr. Carson holds 67 honorary doctorate degrees. He is a member of the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society, the Institute of Medicine/National Academy of Science, the Horatio Alger Society of Distinguished Americans, and many other organizations.



https://www.bencarson.com/meet-ben
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EvenBob
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September 16th, 2015 at 1:31:09 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

He may cause you to snooze but he's got a decent resume' besides being a neurosurgeon.



So he's ran nothing in the real world,
then. Perfect, another Obama, just
what we need. Are you kidding me?
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RonC
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September 16th, 2015 at 4:03:31 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So he's ran nothing in the real world,
then. Perfect, another Obama, just
what we need. Are you kidding me?



Trump has no real experience working with politicians in ways that don't involve him giving them lots of cash in order to gain influence over what they do. Take his comment about Hillary and his wedding--she came because he gave them money and she was obligated to do some things he asked. He is just the opposite side of politicians who take money and give someone else control instead of working for their voters at every moment.

The amount of money it takes to run a campaign kind of forces people to accept money and "owe' people; liberal try to hide behind it being "the people" donating when the union's support a candidate but the candidate they support is often not the one supported by the majority of their union. They chastise corporations acting the same way; they can't see the double standard. Same way with Soros and the Koch Brothers. The ones that have more money are some how more wrong.

So we have a bunch of career politicians, a guy who has been successful in business but has a bit of a head start from his daddy, a lady who has been somewhat successful in business (HP was not a great thing for her), and a guy who was taught the right things by his mom, does the right thing by all accounts, has brought himself from nothing to being very successful and you think he is the same as Obama?

Ridiculous. Did you even bother to consider his resume?

He's not a great talker. That is a positive to me at this point. Most politicians and Trump say a whole lot but say nothing. President Obama is the same. I think politicians learn how to say nothing early on; if I write a Congressman and disagree with him, he sends back a form letter than doesn't acknowledge my position and tells me how good his position is without exactly calling me a nut case. They talk the same way--I care but I really don't.

Trump is different. He talks loud, fires people right and left, does some great business deals and a few bad ones, but everything is about what he can do for himself. He's a great caricature of himself on stage, but is he Presidential? Can he be Presidential? I've accused Obama of not acting like a President; I wonder about Trump.

I like Ben Carson. I may even vote for him. I would vote for Trump over a lot, if not all, of the other candidates. I just have more questions about him than I do Carson.
ams288
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September 16th, 2015 at 5:09:20 AM permalink
I've said many times that Trump could never win a general election if he somehow becomes the nominee.

I'd like to double down on that statement in regards to Ben Carson. That dude has zero chance of ever becoming President. He's obviously a very intelligent person (being a neurosurgeon and all...) but some of the stuff he says is just flat out idiotic. And his performance in the last debate was abysmal. He was a deer in the headlights the whole time. Imagine him in a debate with whoever the Democratic nominee is.... Good luck! lol

Sometimes I feel like Republican primary voters want their candidate to lose so they can just complain and whine about "wanting their country back!" for another 4 or 8 years.
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RonC
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September 16th, 2015 at 6:00:45 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I've said many times that Trump could never win a general election if he somehow becomes the nominee.

I'd like to double down on that statement in regards to Ben Carson. That dude has zero chance of ever becoming President. He's obviously a very intelligent person (being a neurosurgeon and all...) but some of the stuff he says is just flat out idiotic. And his performance in the last debate was abysmal. He was a deer in the headlights the whole time. Imagine him in a debate with whoever the Democratic nominee is.... Good luck! lol

Sometimes I feel like Republican primary voters want their candidate to lose so they can just complain and whine about "wanting their country back!" for another 4 or 8 years.



You are right, as usual. No Republican candidate, vetted through the primaries and backed by the party, could ever win the general election. Why? It is easy--Democrats will vote for anyone with a "D' by their name. Hillary has said and done some trashy things, Biden has no idea what he is talking about half the time, and Sanders is a socialist. If that is what the country aspires to, so be it.
ams288
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September 16th, 2015 at 6:13:09 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

You are right, as usual.



Yeah, I know.

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No Republican candidate, vetted through the primaries and backed by the party, could ever win the general election. Why?



Because they say stupid things and alienate major chunks of the electorate.

And they have far right social positions that the majority of the country does not agree with.

But if you actually read my comment, it was only in regards to Carson and Trump, so I'm not really sure what inspired this "no Republican candidate" hissy fit....

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Hillary has said and done some trashy things



What trashy things has Hillary said?
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bobsims
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September 16th, 2015 at 7:45:28 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Yeah, I know.



Because they say stupid things and alienate major chunks of the electorate.

And they have far right social positions that the majority of the country does not agree with.



Your party has uber-extreme nutjob positions on everything from undisguised racism to prosperity through trillions in debt to the suicidal dual positions of an expanding welfare state coupled with open borders (No Human Is Illegal) to the billions of the Third World. Oh and lets not forget you want to take away the gun rights of working people many of them in your base---or used to be.
In case you missed it your party got all of 45.5% of the vote in last years national election. There are fewer Democrats in the Senate, House, Governorships and state legislatures than any time in almost 100 years. That's landslide territory baby.
ams288
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September 16th, 2015 at 7:50:19 AM permalink
Quote: bobsims

In case you missed it your party got all of 45.5% of the vote in last years national election. There are fewer Democrats in the Senate, House, Governorships and state legislatures than any time in almost 100 years. That's landslide territory baby.



Dems always do bad on the midterms when the voter turnout is low. That's why righties work so hard to disenfranchise voters.

The electoral map favors the Dems big time in 2016. They will take the Senate back easily.
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