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Twirdman
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July 16th, 2015 at 6:47:10 PM permalink
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The source looks like a very far left-wing site. Show all the studies you like. I will counter with demands for bilingual education and how many times we hear "press 1 for Spanish." Also the number of times I had to use translations and find Spanish-speaking notaries to get a mortgage done.

Maybe you can also explain the growth of Univision and other Spanish-language broadcasts if all these immigrants are learning english and assimilating at such a rapid clip?

Show all the studies you like, life on the street shows different.



So more of that down home folksy wisdom rather than actual studies or actual facts. Who needs reality when you got your gut instinct right.

Also just because they speak English and have assimilated doesn't mean they have to completely give up their own culture. Filipinos learn English when in elementary school in the Philippines so basically every immigrant from the Philippines knows English fluently yet many of them still watch the Tagalog channel or various other Filipino channels.

Also just because someone is fluent in a language does not mean that is the language they are most natural in. Some people are simply more adept at their first language so if possible choose to communicate in that language.

Also growing up in the central valley I also so plenty of things written in Hmong or Vietnamese or other Indochinese languages. First generation immigrants do try and learn the language but it is a slow arduous process especially since we've eliminated free schooling to teach English.

Advice your gut is great for telling you if you're hungry or not for everything else you should probably use your brain and actual facts.
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July 16th, 2015 at 7:12:04 PM permalink
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Filipinos learn English when in elementary school in the Philippines so basically every immigrant from the Philippines knows English fluently yet many of them still watch the Tagalog channel or various other Filipino channels.

Many official documents in Las Vegas are printed in three languages, English, Spanish and Tagalog. Teaching English in elementary school does not seem successful, based on more than 50 years of doing just that in Puerto Rico, along with other Latin American countries.
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July 16th, 2015 at 7:33:34 PM permalink
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Many official documents in Las Vegas are printed in three languages, English, Spanish and Tagalog. Teaching English in elementary school does not seem successful, based on more than 50 years of doing just that in Puerto Rico, along with other Latin American countries.



Yes and this does not mean that they cannot speak English. There is a difference between not being proficient in English and being more proficient in your first language. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/filipino-immigrants-united-states#12 less than 1% of Filipinos cannot speak English and even if you go with those who say they don't speak it well that is only an extra 7%. They have it in tagalog not because Filipinos are less likely to speak English but because they are probably one of the largest immigrant groups.

I grew up near Filipino immigrants my entire life and the only ones i knew who didn't have a very firm grasp of English were the parents of first generation immigrants that were petitioned over by their children.
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July 16th, 2015 at 8:05:47 PM permalink
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Yes and this does not mean that they cannot speak English. There is a difference between not being proficient in English and being more proficient in your first language. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/filipino-immigrants-united-states#12 less than 1% of Filipinos cannot speak English and even if you go with those who say they don't speak it well that is only an extra 7%.

Self-reporting for the Census is nowhere near definitive.
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July 17th, 2015 at 3:12:35 AM permalink
Quote: Twirdman

So more of that down home folksy wisdom rather than actual studies or actual facts. Who needs reality when you got your gut instinct right.



Lets just say I am going to believe what I see with my own eyes over what a report says I am supposed to be seeing.


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Advice your gut is great for telling you if you're hungry or not for everything else you should probably use your brain and actual facts.



I do use my brain and actual facts. You are saying I should use someone else's brain. Anyone with half a brain can see assimilation is not happening nearly to the level of previous generations and a subculture is forming. Of course this is harder to see when your nose is in some study and not up and looking around.
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July 17th, 2015 at 8:51:15 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Lets just say I am going to believe what I see with my own eyes over what a report says I am supposed to be seeing.




I do use my brain and actual facts. You are saying I should use someone else's brain. Anyone with half a brain can see assimilation is not happening nearly to the level of previous generations and a subculture is forming. Of course this is harder to see when your nose is in some study and not up and looking around.



I'll tell you what-you will NEVER see documents in Spanish in China, Japan, Taiwan or Korea. They know full well that not "all humans are legal". Closed borders Asia is rising, black and hispanic majority America is in decline.
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Twirdman
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July 17th, 2015 at 9:57:50 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Lets just say I am going to believe what I see with my own eyes over what a report says I am supposed to be seeing.




I do use my brain and actual facts. You are saying I should use someone else's brain. Anyone with half a brain can see assimilation is not happening nearly to the level of previous generations and a subculture is forming. Of course this is harder to see when your nose is in some study and not up and looking around.



Not really. You act like all previous generations immediately integrated into American culture this is patently absurd. Have you never heard of Little Italy, Little China, Little Korea town and all the other basically segregated cities that new immigrants migrate to. Also how many large waves of immigration were you actually alive to see? I mean if you are in your 40s you might have been alive for the large Indochinna immigration after Vietnam, but other than that not really many large scale immigration have been in your lifetime.

You are basing your views on what you think immigrants did and the idealized immigrant rather then what actually occurred.

If assimilation was as quick as you claim it why was there with every new wave of immigrants a cry of this new group will never assimilate.
SanchoPanza
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July 17th, 2015 at 10:12:15 AM permalink
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Not really. You act like all previous generations immediately integrated into American culture this is patently absurd. Have you never heard of Little Italy, Little China, Little Korea town and all the other basically segregated cities that new immigrants migrate to. Also how many large waves of immigration were you actually alive to see? I mean if you are in your 40s you might have been alive for the large Indochinna immigration after Vietnam, but other than that not really many large scale immigration have been in your lifetime.

The big difference is that the vast preponderance of those immigrants were legal and made lifelong commitments to be Americans in the U.S.
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July 17th, 2015 at 10:12:17 AM permalink
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July 17th, 2015 at 10:16:02 AM permalink
Interesting, I look around, and while everything handed down from the feds/national chains is in Spanish, everything written locally is in English and Portuguese. But of course, that can't be right, since only Mexicans would demand accommodation like that.
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