2016 Election
February 20th, 2016 at 12:20:36 PM
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Quote: HeySlickAmericas first/black racist President and, SOO! many live in fear of this covert Muslim -- I'm not stymied by political correctness.
Clearly you aren't stymied by reality either..
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
February 20th, 2016 at 12:22:04 PM
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Quote: rxwineApparently PC is in the eyes of the beholder.
It's just as PC to show up at a funeral and pretend you respected the person, if you didn't.
His entire Presidency has been based on pretentiousness and deceit.
February 20th, 2016 at 12:23:59 PM
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Some random thoughts from today...
--President Obama did not ignore a precedent by not going to the Scalia funeral; he did miss a fairly easy opportunity to be the bigger man in the context of all the things going on with this death. He showed his respects and that is acceptable...
--Father Scalia did a wonderful job saying the Mass. How hard that must have been.
--I've heard the "racist" comments about Scalia; I just don't see how that kind of stuff can be true given his friends on the Court. After all, who would be friends with a racist if they were not one themselves? No, it isn't racism or anti- anything that drove him, it was his interpretation of the Constitution not being something that we can just reinvent without a vote every few years. There is a way to change the Constitution, but it is not via the Supremes.
--Someone must have known where the burial would take place. I appreciate the restraint in not bothering the family while that is happening (as far as I know at this point).
--Just heard that Nevada is close. There may be ties. Deomocrats say ties are decided by drawing for the high card. How Las Vegas!! Not sure what the Republicans do about ties.
--I read a good article on tipping from the Washington Post. It seemed pretty accurate about many things and made me think about the practice of tipping and wages. Like all slanted articles they ignored something; in this case, they ignored the disparity in tipping among different people, something that could also be cured by the idea of forgetting tipping and just paying decent salaries. There really is no "Fair and Balanced"...and so many people only read from one source.
--I voted today in the Texas primary. Early voting was as easy as showing my ID and confirming my address. The ballot had all of the Republicans on it (or at least most of them) even though many have dropped out, since they had filed to be on the ballot. My Congressman was not opposed...I might have voted against him.
--Apple fritters are really good.
--President Obama did not ignore a precedent by not going to the Scalia funeral; he did miss a fairly easy opportunity to be the bigger man in the context of all the things going on with this death. He showed his respects and that is acceptable...
--Father Scalia did a wonderful job saying the Mass. How hard that must have been.
--I've heard the "racist" comments about Scalia; I just don't see how that kind of stuff can be true given his friends on the Court. After all, who would be friends with a racist if they were not one themselves? No, it isn't racism or anti- anything that drove him, it was his interpretation of the Constitution not being something that we can just reinvent without a vote every few years. There is a way to change the Constitution, but it is not via the Supremes.
--Someone must have known where the burial would take place. I appreciate the restraint in not bothering the family while that is happening (as far as I know at this point).
--Just heard that Nevada is close. There may be ties. Deomocrats say ties are decided by drawing for the high card. How Las Vegas!! Not sure what the Republicans do about ties.
--I read a good article on tipping from the Washington Post. It seemed pretty accurate about many things and made me think about the practice of tipping and wages. Like all slanted articles they ignored something; in this case, they ignored the disparity in tipping among different people, something that could also be cured by the idea of forgetting tipping and just paying decent salaries. There really is no "Fair and Balanced"...and so many people only read from one source.
--I voted today in the Texas primary. Early voting was as easy as showing my ID and confirming my address. The ballot had all of the Republicans on it (or at least most of them) even though many have dropped out, since they had filed to be on the ballot. My Congressman was not opposed...I might have voted against him.
--Apple fritters are really good.
February 20th, 2016 at 12:28:26 PM
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Unlikely, given that he visited a mosque only once during his entire presidency, and waited until his last year in office to do so.Quote: TrumpTweetI wonder if President Obama would have attended the funeral of Justice Scalia if it were held in a Mosque?
Can't get much more Muslim than that.
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February 20th, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM
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In these days of instant news, here is a bit about how hard it was to get Justice Scalia pronounced dead due to the remoteness of the place of death:
"Bishop contacted the third choice, Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara, who was also unable to make the drive to Cibolo Creek Ranch. Connecting with the county sheriff there, she officially handled the inquest — over the phone — pronouncing Scalia dead just before 2 p.m. The Texas Code of Criminal Procedures allows justices of the peace to pronounce death via phone when deemed reasonable."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/14/466745476/the-trials-of-pronouncing-antonin-scalia-dead-in-west-texas
Some of this is archaic but I guess necessary. I once took a 2 a.m. call for my grandfather asking for a coroner. I had no idea he was a deputy coroner. We drove to the site of young man's death. He was very dead and the accident was two hours before, but he could not be moved until pronounced. My grandfather had no medical or judicial experience; he used to drive the hearse and pick up bodies from out of town in between Republican patronage jobs (he was Sergeant at Arms of the Pennsylvania house at one point). Why not just record the scene, take some (lack of) vitals and get the show on the road if no foul play is suspected?
I also filled out death certificates for him to sign...it was a weird thing as a sixteen year old...his paperwork sucked...
"Bishop contacted the third choice, Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara, who was also unable to make the drive to Cibolo Creek Ranch. Connecting with the county sheriff there, she officially handled the inquest — over the phone — pronouncing Scalia dead just before 2 p.m. The Texas Code of Criminal Procedures allows justices of the peace to pronounce death via phone when deemed reasonable."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/14/466745476/the-trials-of-pronouncing-antonin-scalia-dead-in-west-texas
Some of this is archaic but I guess necessary. I once took a 2 a.m. call for my grandfather asking for a coroner. I had no idea he was a deputy coroner. We drove to the site of young man's death. He was very dead and the accident was two hours before, but he could not be moved until pronounced. My grandfather had no medical or judicial experience; he used to drive the hearse and pick up bodies from out of town in between Republican patronage jobs (he was Sergeant at Arms of the Pennsylvania house at one point). Why not just record the scene, take some (lack of) vitals and get the show on the road if no foul play is suspected?
I also filled out death certificates for him to sign...it was a weird thing as a sixteen year old...his paperwork sucked...
February 20th, 2016 at 1:17:23 PM
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Quote: terapinedThe President has the most important job in the world. His time is valuable
People that want to be President have no job they are currently doing.
Those that have jobs have abandoned them. Take Marco Rubio, the guy is hardly ever present for votes.
Cruz, his job is in DC but of course he is not in DC. Is Kasich in his state governing, of course not.
People that want to be President have tons of time on their hands and yet they cant make the time to attend a BS overpriced funeral that accomplishes nothing.
You left out Trump. He doesn't have to go to work because he's f***ing rich as hell. He can campaign full time (and pay for it himself) and he's not abdicating any responsibility. In fact you could say his whole campaign is working on his brand, whether he wins or not. So he's killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
February 20th, 2016 at 2:33:55 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsYou left out Trump. He doesn't have to go to work because he's f***ing rich as hell. He can campaign full time (and pay for it himself) and he's not abdicating any responsibility. In fact you could say his whole campaign is working on his brand, whether he wins or not. So he's killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
Branding for some purpose, but not sure what.
I don't think Trump cares about more money at this point -- unless he was on verge of being the wealthiest man, but he's not close to that. A billion here or billion there ain't going to make much difference to his lifestyle or legacy.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
February 20th, 2016 at 3:05:59 PM
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Hillary wins the NV caucuses.
MSNBC is gonna have to stop pretending like her campaign is in turmoil. They're so in the tank for Bernie...
MSNBC is gonna have to stop pretending like her campaign is in turmoil. They're so in the tank for Bernie...
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
February 20th, 2016 at 3:36:29 PM
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Quote: ams288Hillary wins the NV caucuses.
MSNBC is gonna have to stop pretending like her campaign is in turmoil. They're so in the tank for Bernie...
Bernie is popular and Clinton can't avoid making some mistakes during the campaign, but mostly she's been busting her butt to be prepared this time. So, not really surprised.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
February 20th, 2016 at 3:54:41 PM
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Quote: BozLike Donald said, either way it was "Disgusting"!
You righties need to get your stories straight!
Some of you claim she was taking a giant dump, EvenBob claims she was exhausted backstage cause she's an old sickly woman. (Also, EvenBob never did end up providing a source for this particular lie, which is not surprising at all).
Which one is it?!?
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
February 20th, 2016 at 4:32:32 PM
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1% of the vote in and fox and NBC are already declaring Trump the winner in SC
WTF
WTF
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
February 20th, 2016 at 4:36:21 PM
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Quote: terapined1% of the vote in and fox and NBC are already declaring Trump the winner in SC
WTF
They base that on exit polling and pre-voting day polling. If the returns follow the polling early, they see the trend they've already identified and they call it.
They're not always right, but their correct percentage is high over many elections.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
February 20th, 2016 at 4:48:44 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsThey base that on exit polling and pre-voting day polling. If the returns follow the polling early, they see the trend they've already identified and they call it.
They're not always right, but their correct percentage is high over many elections.
I know they are almost always right but sometimes it would be prudent to see some real number develop before making a call
kind of weird, taking the Karl Rove side of the argument regarding his famous meltdown :-)
Still 1% is just too early
I would like to see some bigger numbers develop before a race is called
Sometimes I think theses news networks are in competition to call early and may call earlier due to the competition.
MSNBC called is 1st while fox was in commercial.
Fox probably saw this and this probably influenced a call about 30 seconds later when they came back on the air with still only 1% in
CNN waited till 3% in to call.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
February 20th, 2016 at 5:30:57 PM
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Close to 40% is in and Trump is up by 12.6% over 2nd right now. In races like these, they can and should call it the minute the polls close. I see your trepidation in a 2-3 point race.
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
February 20th, 2016 at 5:44:47 PM
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Jeb Bush is suspending his campaign.
He is speaking now. He looks weird without his glasses - who told him to try contacts? Did they really think that was gonna help him get votes?! Trump was right to make fun of him over that one...
He is speaking now. He looks weird without his glasses - who told him to try contacts? Did they really think that was gonna help him get votes?! Trump was right to make fun of him over that one...
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
February 20th, 2016 at 5:47:05 PM
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IMO the only way Trump doesn't get the nomination is if Rubio or Cruz suspend their campaigns. I think those two are cannibalizing the same voters and IMO most Cruz Voters have Rubio as their 2nd choice and vice versa. I think Trump is the 2nd choice of very few people. He is either first or toward the bottom
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
February 20th, 2016 at 6:50:53 PM
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I found this week a little weird...
Nevada Democrat caucuses were today as was South Carolina's Republican primary.
The Nevada Republican caucuses are Tuesday.
The South Carolina Democrat primary is Saturday.
I woke up expecting all four events today and figured it out during the day...
Nevada Democrat caucuses were today as was South Carolina's Republican primary.
The Nevada Republican caucuses are Tuesday.
The South Carolina Democrat primary is Saturday.
I woke up expecting all four events today and figured it out during the day...
February 20th, 2016 at 6:58:18 PM
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Quote: ams288Jeb Bush is suspending his campaign.
I bet Bill just won a dollar on a bet with the Bushes.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
February 20th, 2016 at 7:16:19 PM
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Listening to Rubio or Cruz, you would have thought they won. Some of the TV 'pundits' also talking about Trump under-performing his polls numbers.
South Carolina has 50 delegates. The winner of the state gets 29. The winner of each of the 7 congressional district gets 3. At the current time Trump is guaranteed 41 of the 50 and is leading in the remaining 3 congressional district meaning he will probably get all 50 delegates.
So in a state that should favor Ted Cruz, with 73% evangelicals....he gets 0 delegates.
In a state that Rubio got the endorsement of nearly every popular establishment elected official....he likely gets zero delegates.
While Trump is likely to get all 50 delegates.
South Carolina has 50 delegates. The winner of the state gets 29. The winner of each of the 7 congressional district gets 3. At the current time Trump is guaranteed 41 of the 50 and is leading in the remaining 3 congressional district meaning he will probably get all 50 delegates.
So in a state that should favor Ted Cruz, with 73% evangelicals....he gets 0 delegates.
In a state that Rubio got the endorsement of nearly every popular establishment elected official....he likely gets zero delegates.
While Trump is likely to get all 50 delegates.
February 20th, 2016 at 7:36:57 PM
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All of my predictions about Trump back in July & August have been proven completely wrong. I stand corrected.
So taking into account my pathetic track record of mistaken prediction after mistaken prediction about The Donald, here's my new (humble) prediction: Trump will be the GOP nominee. South Carolina is a big turning point for this race.
Trump's rise is a disaster for movement conservatives-- this man is well to the left of the previous two nominees, McCain & Romney. True, Trump is a hardliner on immigration. But on virtually every other issue he's a liberal New Yorker. Last week he called Bush a liar, Iraq a disastrous mistake, and he defended Planned Parenthood! He supports the expansion of Medicaid, socialized medicine, affirmative action, gay rights, etc etc. The man isn't even a real Republican, let alone a real conservative. And yet somehow he won South Carolina?!?
Putting aside his heretical liberal political views, the real problem for the Republican Party is actually twofold:
1) It's not just that Trump has no experience, more importantly he has no policy positions aside from "I'm tough, I'll fix it."
2) The man is unstable, unpredictable, undisciplined, and thin-skinned.
This race is a catastrophe for Republicans. With the Supreme Court at stake, the GOP had a dozen real conservatives to chose from. So what'd they do? They picked a xenophobic inexperienced egomaniac New Yorker reality TV star bankrupt casino mogul con man.
So taking into account my pathetic track record of mistaken prediction after mistaken prediction about The Donald, here's my new (humble) prediction: Trump will be the GOP nominee. South Carolina is a big turning point for this race.
Trump's rise is a disaster for movement conservatives-- this man is well to the left of the previous two nominees, McCain & Romney. True, Trump is a hardliner on immigration. But on virtually every other issue he's a liberal New Yorker. Last week he called Bush a liar, Iraq a disastrous mistake, and he defended Planned Parenthood! He supports the expansion of Medicaid, socialized medicine, affirmative action, gay rights, etc etc. The man isn't even a real Republican, let alone a real conservative. And yet somehow he won South Carolina?!?
Putting aside his heretical liberal political views, the real problem for the Republican Party is actually twofold:
1) It's not just that Trump has no experience, more importantly he has no policy positions aside from "I'm tough, I'll fix it."
2) The man is unstable, unpredictable, undisciplined, and thin-skinned.
This race is a catastrophe for Republicans. With the Supreme Court at stake, the GOP had a dozen real conservatives to chose from. So what'd they do? They picked a xenophobic inexperienced egomaniac New Yorker reality TV star bankrupt casino mogul con man.
February 20th, 2016 at 8:23:55 PM
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Quote: ams288Hillary wins the NV caucuses.
MSNBC is gonna have to stop pretending like her campaign is in turmoil. They're so in the tank for Bernie...
As is Salon.com, who actually make a good case for why Hillary should drop out if the Dems want to win in November.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/19/hillary_clinton_just_cant_win_democrats_need_to_accept_that_only_bernie_sanders_can_defeat_the_gop/
February 20th, 2016 at 8:27:19 PM
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Once again the casino workers at Caesars showed their true colors by putting Hillary over the top by being afraid to go for the gold with Bernie.
February 20th, 2016 at 8:37:11 PM
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Quote: kewljListening to Rubio or Cruz, you would have thought they won. Some of the TV 'pundits' also talking about Trump under-performing his polls numbers.
I know, it's hilarious. Megyn Kelly kept saying
every 2 min that Trump was down from the poll
expectations. It got so bad Juan Williams had
to chime in and tell her, 'it's off by 2 points, big
deal'. I haven't checked them all, but Trump
is ahead in NV, and most of the super
TUE states. Except Texas, where Cruz is ahead
of course.
The best thing that happened today is, I don't
have listen the whiny asshat Jeb Bush anymore.
I've never liked him, especially when he was
the roly poly spoiled rich kid gov of FL. He
makes me cringe when he speaks, he's such a
pure full of crap politician.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 20th, 2016 at 8:38:42 PM
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Quote: BozAs is Salon.com, who actually make a good case for why Hillary should drop out if the Dems want to win in November.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/19/hillary_clinton_just_cant_win_democrats_need_to_accept_that_only_bernie_sanders_can_defeat_the_gop/
If she wins she should offer Bernie the VP slot. Then the pair can run against the GOP nom.
I don't think it would happen, but it would be fine with me if it did. Having a VP who disagrees with the President vocally once in awhile would be interesting -- but have no real force of policy. Although he might influence her decisions where they agree.
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February 20th, 2016 at 8:42:33 PM
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In following the betting markets tonight, Rubio's odds dropped dramatically. At the start of the day Trump was even money to win the nomination and Rubio second at between 2-1 and 5-2, flowed by Cruz around 4-1.
After tonight's election Trump remains at even money, Rubio has dropped to 3-2 and Cruz has gone up to 7-1.
I get that the thinking is that Rubio consolidates the establishment vote, but Kasich is not dropping out. As matter of fact he says he is in through Ohio which is a long way off, so his support isn't going to Rubio. I also wouldn't count on all of Bush's support (for what it was worth) going to Rubio. Some will, but there is a lot of bad blood there. Like Bush, himself, a lot of the Bush supporters view Rubio as the 'student who betrayed the professor'. Also some of Bush's supporter are looking for someone who has executive experience, so the are likely to go to the only remaining governor (Kasich).
Even with Bush gone, where does Rubio actually win in the near future? Nevada is 3 days away and Trump has 16 point lead. 7 days later is the first 'super tuesday' with many contests in the southern states where Trump and Cruz are at the top of most polls. I just don't see where Rubio actually wins any time soon???
After tonight's election Trump remains at even money, Rubio has dropped to 3-2 and Cruz has gone up to 7-1.
I get that the thinking is that Rubio consolidates the establishment vote, but Kasich is not dropping out. As matter of fact he says he is in through Ohio which is a long way off, so his support isn't going to Rubio. I also wouldn't count on all of Bush's support (for what it was worth) going to Rubio. Some will, but there is a lot of bad blood there. Like Bush, himself, a lot of the Bush supporters view Rubio as the 'student who betrayed the professor'. Also some of Bush's supporter are looking for someone who has executive experience, so the are likely to go to the only remaining governor (Kasich).
Even with Bush gone, where does Rubio actually win in the near future? Nevada is 3 days away and Trump has 16 point lead. 7 days later is the first 'super tuesday' with many contests in the southern states where Trump and Cruz are at the top of most polls. I just don't see where Rubio actually wins any time soon???
February 20th, 2016 at 10:09:28 PM
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Quote: kewljListening to Rubio or Cruz, you would have thought they won. Some of the TV 'pundits' also talking about Trump under-performing his polls numbers.
South Carolina has 50 delegates. The winner of the state gets 29. The winner of each of the 7 congressional district gets 3. At the current time Trump is guaranteed 41 of the 50 and is leading in the remaining 3 congressional district meaning he will probably get all 50 delegates.
So in a state that should favor Ted Cruz, with 73% evangelicals....he gets 0 delegates.
In a state that Rubio got the endorsement of nearly every popular establishment elected official....he likely gets zero delegates.
While Trump is likely to get all 50 delegates.
There's amazing cognitive dissonance out there distancing Trump from what was essentially a SWEEP of the most number of delegates available yet. He's won in a NE state, placed 2nd in a midwest state and demolished a southern state. He is rolling.
"It's beautiful, when you win it's beautiful." -Trump
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
February 21st, 2016 at 3:47:39 AM
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Kasich and Carson staying in is purely selfishness at this point. It will give them more publicity, allow them to raise and spend more donated money, but it doesn't do the race any good. I have been wrong about every Trump prediction I have made so I don't think that both of them going (along with Jeb) will only benefit Cruz and Rubio...so I won't predict Trump's demise should they exit; rather, I think that having only three candidates allows him the opportunity to show he is "stuck" in the 30-35% range or to pick up some significant numbers of those voters and get into the 40's, eventually driving Cruz or Rubio out.
I don't think winning the nomination with only one-third of the party's voters supporting you is a good thing. That translates out (roughly) to less than one-sixth of the voters casting their ballots for you. It may work out fine, but it doesn't seem to be a strong position to me.
I find it funny that we have been saying along the way how arrogant and obnoxious President Obama is, yet the folks are supporting someone who is just as arrogant and obnoxious. Perhaps he will get more done than President Obama if elected, but I am not sure how diplomacy will work. They are arrogant and obnoxious in different ways; maybe his way will work.
There are a lot of comments about Fox and Megyn Kelly (I hate her hair) talking about Trump falling below the numbers. Perhaps they have a favorite, but I kind of wonder if it is more of a collective hope that the race tightens and is exciting because that sells ad space. Sports announcers do it all the time--they build up one team and then the other to try and keep even boring games exciting. Once there is no race (and to me it looks like Clinton should just take off from here; Sanders is not in strong position at this point), why will we watch for the next three or four months? Fox has made dollars and Trump has gained supporters over the dust-up with Fox...it is a win-win!! It isn't like Trump won't talk to Fox...
I don't think winning the nomination with only one-third of the party's voters supporting you is a good thing. That translates out (roughly) to less than one-sixth of the voters casting their ballots for you. It may work out fine, but it doesn't seem to be a strong position to me.
I find it funny that we have been saying along the way how arrogant and obnoxious President Obama is, yet the folks are supporting someone who is just as arrogant and obnoxious. Perhaps he will get more done than President Obama if elected, but I am not sure how diplomacy will work. They are arrogant and obnoxious in different ways; maybe his way will work.
There are a lot of comments about Fox and Megyn Kelly (I hate her hair) talking about Trump falling below the numbers. Perhaps they have a favorite, but I kind of wonder if it is more of a collective hope that the race tightens and is exciting because that sells ad space. Sports announcers do it all the time--they build up one team and then the other to try and keep even boring games exciting. Once there is no race (and to me it looks like Clinton should just take off from here; Sanders is not in strong position at this point), why will we watch for the next three or four months? Fox has made dollars and Trump has gained supporters over the dust-up with Fox...it is a win-win!! It isn't like Trump won't talk to Fox...
February 21st, 2016 at 9:11:32 AM
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Quote: renoAll of my predictions about Trump back in July & August have been proven completely wrong. I stand corrected.
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Everybody missed it
Adam Silver missed it
I missed it
Congrats Ann Coulter, on Bill Maher show a while ago people laughed when Coulter suggested she supported Trump
Nobody's laughing now
I think everybody under estimated the anger of the Conservative base
The base has had to deal with a double whammy, A President they intensely dislike. Second whammy is a right wing congress unable or unwilling to get right wing agenda bills passed so a disliked congress as well.
The base is pissed. So pissed, they will nominate somebody with no chance of winning the general. That's pretty pissed off lol
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
February 21st, 2016 at 9:19:59 AM
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Morning after:
So Trump did win all 7 congressional districts in South Carolina and won all 50 delegates.
Rubio's odds to win the nomination continue to drop. Rubio and Trump are now co-favorites at about 6-5 while Cruz's odds have risen to 10-1 or 12-1.
I get the Cruz movement. He finished tied for a distant second in a state tailor made for him with many evangelicals. If he couldn't win South Carolina, where other than Texas can he win?
I don't get the large Rubio odds move?? I get that some think he is consolidating the establishment vote, but Kasich is still in the race and I don't believe all Jeb's support goes to Rubio. Some of Jeb's support was because he had executive experience....Rubio doesn't have that. Plus, lets be real. Jeb got 7.8% of the vote in South Carolina, a state where his family was popular, but nation-wide Jeb was polling at 2-3%. If Rubio gets 'most' of that support, he is still way back.
PLUS, Trump will now join Cruz in turning his attacks on Rubio. So far, everyone Trump has gone after has gone down in the polls. It doesn't make sense to me that Rubio is all the sudden a co-favorite based on a distant second place showing in which he received zero delegates. Again, I ask, where does Rubio win in the near future? Trump is ahead by 16 points in Nevada, which is 2 days away and Trump has big leads in most of the March 1 contests a week later (Cruz leads Texas). Don't you have to start winning somewhere?> You just can't finish second or third in every contest. ???
So Trump did win all 7 congressional districts in South Carolina and won all 50 delegates.
Rubio's odds to win the nomination continue to drop. Rubio and Trump are now co-favorites at about 6-5 while Cruz's odds have risen to 10-1 or 12-1.
I get the Cruz movement. He finished tied for a distant second in a state tailor made for him with many evangelicals. If he couldn't win South Carolina, where other than Texas can he win?
I don't get the large Rubio odds move?? I get that some think he is consolidating the establishment vote, but Kasich is still in the race and I don't believe all Jeb's support goes to Rubio. Some of Jeb's support was because he had executive experience....Rubio doesn't have that. Plus, lets be real. Jeb got 7.8% of the vote in South Carolina, a state where his family was popular, but nation-wide Jeb was polling at 2-3%. If Rubio gets 'most' of that support, he is still way back.
PLUS, Trump will now join Cruz in turning his attacks on Rubio. So far, everyone Trump has gone after has gone down in the polls. It doesn't make sense to me that Rubio is all the sudden a co-favorite based on a distant second place showing in which he received zero delegates. Again, I ask, where does Rubio win in the near future? Trump is ahead by 16 points in Nevada, which is 2 days away and Trump has big leads in most of the March 1 contests a week later (Cruz leads Texas). Don't you have to start winning somewhere?> You just can't finish second or third in every contest. ???
February 21st, 2016 at 10:45:46 AM
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Bush's money supporters are going to Rubio, probably more important than number of voters. I also think republicans may come to a conclusion rubio has a better chance with undecided voters. Maybe it's just my perception tilting it, but trump just seems incredibly easy to despise and not even be considered an option among undecided voters who despise him. I find him to be an appalling human being. I don't get that from Rubio.
February 21st, 2016 at 11:37:32 AM
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Glenn Beck is now 'fasting' for Ted Cruz.
He's been traveling around SC with Cruz
for weeks. No wonder Cruz came in 3rd,
with that certifiable nutjob on his coat
tails all the time. There is something very
wrong with Glenn Beck.
He's been traveling around SC with Cruz
for weeks. No wonder Cruz came in 3rd,
with that certifiable nutjob on his coat
tails all the time. There is something very
wrong with Glenn Beck.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 21st, 2016 at 11:46:13 AM
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Quote: kewlj
I don't get the large Rubio odds move?? I get that some think he is consolidating the establishment vote, but Kasich is still in the race and I don't believe all Jeb's support goes to Rubio.
Depends on how you look at it. You just lost one guy who is polling low, so you're going with another low poller and probably waste your time again? At least second or third gets you in the ballgame again.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
February 21st, 2016 at 12:39:50 PM
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If you read the hundreds of comments from
the exit polls, people are very distrustful of
politicians now. After Mr Hopey-Changey
has shown he's just another political hack,
people are finally wising up that all politicians
are liars through and through. They said
they love Trump's honesty and his willingness
to speak his mind. The pundits fainted from
apoplexy when Trump first talked about
a temporary ban on Muslims. 75% of voters
yesterday said they support such a ban. So
much for racism being dead in thiscountry,
Trump really struck a vein there.
the exit polls, people are very distrustful of
politicians now. After Mr Hopey-Changey
has shown he's just another political hack,
people are finally wising up that all politicians
are liars through and through. They said
they love Trump's honesty and his willingness
to speak his mind. The pundits fainted from
apoplexy when Trump first talked about
a temporary ban on Muslims. 75% of voters
yesterday said they support such a ban. So
much for racism being dead in thiscountry,
Trump really struck a vein there.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 21st, 2016 at 12:42:53 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200Bush's money supporters are going to Rubio, probably more important than number of voters.
This election clearly isn't about who has the most money. Jeb spent the most in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. See what that got him?
So far this election has been an anti-establishment election and the big money plays right into that. So now Rubio assumes the role of the establishment/big money candidate. He may find that is not where you want to be in this environment and this election.
Quote: rxwineDepends on how you look at it. You just lost one guy who is polling low, so you're going with another low poller and probably waste your time again? At least second or third gets you in the ballgame again.
Barack Obama was the first Senator elected president in 50 years since Kennedy. Other than Obama, all other elected presidents in that period has executive experience (governor), except Bush 41, who was a sitting vice-president. I think the thing you are missing is that some voters want a candidate with executive experience, especially after Obama, where there is some buyers remorse, even among voters that voted for him (myself included). The last thing I want to see is another first term Senator with minimal experience elected President. So if you are a voter looking for someone with executive experience, you are now down to 2 choices, Kasich (governor) and Trump (private sector).
February 21st, 2016 at 2:14:08 PM
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This is not an election. This is an election season. Seasons have stages. If the powers at be really don't want trump to be the nominee badly enough, he won't be, simple as that. If they don't mind, he will.
February 21st, 2016 at 3:25:23 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200This is not an election. This is an election season. Seasons have stages. If the powers at be really don't want trump to be the nominee badly enough, he won't be, simple as that. If they don't mind, he will.
Not really. Not this time. Trump is well aware
of how he can be screwed at the convention
by the powers that be, that's why he's already
said the RNC has voided the promise he made
not to be a 3rd party candidate. If they try and
screw him, he'll run anyway and ensure a Dem
in the WH.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 21st, 2016 at 4:12:37 PM
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No he will not, not if he is really a Republican.Quote: EvenBobNot really. Not this time. Trump is well aware
of how he can be screwed at the convention
by the powers that be, that's why he's already
said the RNC has voided the promise he made
not to be a 3rd party candidate. If they try and
screw him, he'll run anyway and ensure a Dem
in the WH.
He might be a Trump - i - can. Truthfully I'm not sure even he knows yet which he is.
Still a long way to Nov, buy popcorn stock(s).
I chuckled to myself when I was cooking for my boys last night. Fox announced their prediction, jabbered for a few minutes, then The Trump walked onstage to make his victory speech, then Fox cut to Jeb, for 10 minutes at least, for Jeb to announce the suspension of his bid, thank his supporters, give us some last minute tips on his philosophy for the party and the country.
No doubt The Trump started talking on cue, and Fox taped it to show it as if it was live 10 minutes later....
LMAO.
Trump was classic Trump. I loved the part when he said some Mexican official said the wall would never happen, or that Mexico wouldn't pay for it, or something. The response was, 'The wall just got 10 feet taller'.
Cracked me up ;-)
There have been times in the past when rising leaders were pretty damn good at exciting the masses with their rhetoric. Got everyone all worked up expecting great things, with nationalistic pride in huge amounts, self-replicating. But without much in the way of concrete, identifiable/understandable, and realistic plans the rhetoric became just rhetoric. I want to like Trump as a candidate, and he scares the hell out of me.
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Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
February 21st, 2016 at 4:19:54 PM
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Quote: EvenBobNot really. Not this time. Trump is well aware
of how he can be screwed at the convention
by the powers that be, that's why he's already
said the RNC has voided the promise he made
not to be a 3rd party candidate. If they try and
screw him, he'll run anyway and ensure a Dem
in the WH.
He'll say whatever he wants to say. Even if he won't back it up.
Cruz isn't eligible.
Rubio isn't eligible.
They voided the pledge.
He may well win and everything you say could be true about if he fails to win the nomination and goes third party and fails but I still can't really bring my self to like him.
If he becomes President, he'll have to do something besides threaten lawsuits and talk a lot about his greatness. He could have what it takes to do the job; he hasn't convinced me yet. None of them have, though I did vote for one in the primary here in Texas.
February 21st, 2016 at 4:55:19 PM
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Quote: TwoFeathersATLI want to like Trump as a candidate, and he scares the hell out me.
Most rational thing I've read (in at least an hour).
To be fair, no one knows what any one of the candidates will do in office unless it's a two termer.
But, pretty sure no one alive remembers a US presidential candidate like Trump. Maybe that's good, maybe that's bad, who knows.
I'm not willing to gamble, other people are, or are oblivious I suppose.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
February 21st, 2016 at 5:04:47 PM
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How long till Trump starts referring to Ted Cruz as his actual name, Rafael Edward Cruz?
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't already...
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't already...
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
February 23rd, 2016 at 4:08:28 AM
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Trump...
He says a whole lot while telling us nothing...what makes him any different than any other candidate? The boldness of his proclamations? The name calling? I'm sorry, I just feel like the people supporting Trump should be asking themselves a lot more questions and demanding real plans instead of big words.
Supposedly, he said last night that he would terminate Obamacare on the first day...really? How the hell would one do that? I don't like Obamacare, but it is the insurance plan for many and you can't just terminate it. Okay, so we know he is not going to do that. So it is a lie to say that he can. He can help lead us to a better plan but that will take time and negotiation...or will he just sign more Executive Orders?
Next thing he will tell us the wall will go up on the first day...
He says a whole lot while telling us nothing...what makes him any different than any other candidate? The boldness of his proclamations? The name calling? I'm sorry, I just feel like the people supporting Trump should be asking themselves a lot more questions and demanding real plans instead of big words.
Supposedly, he said last night that he would terminate Obamacare on the first day...really? How the hell would one do that? I don't like Obamacare, but it is the insurance plan for many and you can't just terminate it. Okay, so we know he is not going to do that. So it is a lie to say that he can. He can help lead us to a better plan but that will take time and negotiation...or will he just sign more Executive Orders?
Next thing he will tell us the wall will go up on the first day...
February 23rd, 2016 at 4:20:44 AM
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Bernie
I was worried about Bernie.
I was afraid he was gonna die in his sleep or commit suicide or something.
I wondered if his insurance underwriter had cancelled his policy.
Seems that he may be OK after all ;-)
I was worried about Bernie.
I was afraid he was gonna die in his sleep or commit suicide or something.
I wondered if his insurance underwriter had cancelled his policy.
Seems that he may be OK after all ;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
February 23rd, 2016 at 3:04:50 PM
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MSNBC is beside itself trying to get
Rubio nominated. Their new theory
today is, Rubio will get 75% of the
votes that were going to Bush. The
problem with this is, in polls released
since Bush dropped out, Trump looks
to be getting the bump, not Rubio.
In the Rasmussen Poll, he jumped 5
points after Bush dropped out. He
now leads Rubio by 15.
Rubio nominated. Their new theory
today is, Rubio will get 75% of the
votes that were going to Bush. The
problem with this is, in polls released
since Bush dropped out, Trump looks
to be getting the bump, not Rubio.
In the Rasmussen Poll, he jumped 5
points after Bush dropped out. He
now leads Rubio by 15.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 23rd, 2016 at 3:17:04 PM
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Nevada was supposed to be a sure win for Rubio as late as early January 2016. First state with a large Latino population 28%. He lived there as a child and practiced Mormonism. Now he is scrambling for 2nd place.
February 23rd, 2016 at 3:20:38 PM
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Quote: RonCTrump...
He says a whole lot while telling us nothing...what makes him any different than any other candidate? The boldness of his proclamations? The name calling? I'm sorry, I just feel like the people supporting Trump should be asking themselves a lot more questions and demanding real plans instead of big words.
Supposedly, he said last night that he would terminate Obamacare on the first day...really? How the hell would one do that? I don't like Obamacare, but it is the insurance plan for many and you can't just terminate it. Okay, so we know he is not going to do that. So it is a lie to say that he can. He can help lead us to a better plan but that will take time and negotiation...or will he just sign more Executive Orders?
Next thing he will tell us the wall will go up on the first day...
Ever own a lemon? I have. You can play the game, do what you're supposed to, and the damn just will not work as intended. Eventually, you have to put the carrot away. You just have to. So you start downshifting from 5th to 2nd. You shift without releasing the throttle. Maybe you put in a little kerosene cuz you're in a pinch. A few days a week the brakes catch fire and you can read by the glow off the header.
A funny thing happens. Sometimes, beyond all ken, the damn thing just works. It's happened to me before. Sometimes things just need a good flogging. Other times, the thing becomes destroyed. You get a new car.
Either way, your problem is solved. It may be the smile of fortune that costs you nothing, or an expenditure you really cannot afford, but damn if your problem isn't gone.
That's Trump. He's not doing what one is supposed to do. I do not care how much I think he's an ass, how ineffective he will be, his qualifications, nothing. Give him the big red button and both the keys, I do not care. He's the only one I have ever seen that gives me hope that he's gonna flog the balls off this lemon we're stuck with. And that's enough for me.
The opinions of this moderator are for entertainment purposes only.
February 23rd, 2016 at 3:25:33 PM
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Quote: EvenBobMSNBC is beside itself trying to get
Rubio nominated. Their new theory
today is, Rubio will get 75% of the
votes that were going to Bush. The
problem with this is, in polls released
since Bush dropped out, Trump looks
to be getting the bump, not Rubio.
In the Rasmussen Poll, he jumped 5
points after Bush dropped out. He
now leads Rubio by 15.
I give up. Trump gets a bump from every event. If it continues, I just hope it works in the general election as well as it has in this process. I cannot stand the thought of Hillary or Bernie being President.
February 23rd, 2016 at 3:45:02 PM
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Quote: RonCI give up. Trump gets a bump from every event. If it continues, I just hope it works in the general election as well as it has in this process. I cannot stand the thought of Hillary or Bernie being President.
There is still plenty of room on the Trump bandwagon, Ron C. :)
EvenBob, I don't think the "Trump Bump" in the last week was due to Bush dropping out....that really don't make much sense. I just think voters are starting to accept that Trump is going to win the nomination. Voters like to jump on the bandwagon and vote for the winner.
A 10 point win in South Carolina, which should have been Cruz territory with 73% evangelical voters. A likely even bigger win today in Nevada, which Rubio has touted as his childhood home state. And now only 7 days until super Tuesday where Trump currently leads in 9 of the 11 states. Where are these other guys going to start winning?
I don't get this notion from the betting markets that Rubio is a co-favorite. He is currently 0 for 3, likely to be 0 for 4 after today. He is not even close to leading in any of the 11 super Tuesday contests next week. He might be 0 for 15 after next week. Rubio is not even leading his home state of Florida which votes in 3 weeks, I ask yet again, where does he win? How can he be co-favorite when it doesn't appear he is going to win anywhere.
Rubio's campaign strategy is similar to Rudy Giuliani's 8 years ago. Giuliani was near the top of most national polls, but not near the top of any individual state polls. It was never clear where Rudy was going to win and guess what...he didn't. He lost all the early states and was done early.
February 23rd, 2016 at 3:50:21 PM
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Quote: EvenBobMSNBC is beside itself trying to get
Rubio nominated. Their new theory
today is, Rubio will get 75% of the
votes that were going to Bush. The
problem with this is, in polls released
since Bush dropped out, Trump looks
to be getting the bump, not Rubio.
In the Rasmussen Poll, he jumped 5
points after Bush dropped out. He
now leads Rubio by 15.
I disagree. They were discussing what it would take for Rubio or Cruz to get past Trump. They were not saying that he was gonna get 75% of Jeb's voters.
MSNBC wants Trump to be the nominee. Everyone wants Trump.
Ratings ratings ratings!
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
February 23rd, 2016 at 6:44:15 PM
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More on Scalia's death.
A "blue stretch band exercise device?" Wasn't that the thing Harry Reid lost an eye to?
Wonder where those are made? Russia? China?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/texas-sheriff-releases-report-on-supreme-court-justice-scalias-death/2016/02/23/8c0bdb0c-da82-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html
Quote:Scalia suffered from coronary artery disease, obesity, diabetes...Monahan listed ailments including “sleep apnea, degenerative joint disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and high blood pressure,” the AP said. Scalia was also a smoker... and other ailments, according to a letter from his Supreme Court doctor.
Quote:A hose for the breathing machine was found on the left side of Scalia’s bed, but was not attached to him. Scalia’s briefcase was found closed, on a recliner. On the kitchen counter, the sheriff found a “blue stretch band exercise device".
A "blue stretch band exercise device?" Wasn't that the thing Harry Reid lost an eye to?
Wonder where those are made? Russia? China?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/texas-sheriff-releases-report-on-supreme-court-justice-scalias-death/2016/02/23/8c0bdb0c-da82-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
February 23rd, 2016 at 7:27:55 PM
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Quote: ams288MSNBC wants Trump to be the nominee. Everyone wants Trump.
!
Hillary people say they want Trump to win
because he'll be easy to beat. They also
dismissed him as a joke last summer. If
everybody else has been totally wrong
about Trump every step of the way, why
does the Hillary camp think they'll be
right about beating him. I don't believe
they think that at all, I think he scares
them to death.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
