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Quote: Yo11So I've been a lurker on this site for years. I'm a huge fan of all things Wiz-in fact this site has been my home page for quite some time. I finally decided to become a member when I was reading "biased dice: the science begins" and I threw my iPad.
Looking forward to being able to actively participate in threads now!
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Hey and welcome to the forum. I'm looking forward to hearing more of your perspective on all things!
Quote: Yo11So I've been a lurker on this site for years. I'm a huge fan of all things Wiz-in fact this site has been my home page for quite some time. I finally decided to become a member when I was reading "biased dice: the science begins" and I threw my iPad.
Welcome to the forum! Don't let the biased dice thread scare you off. It makes me nostalgic for the HB Challenge thread.
I intended to be a sort of mediator between the common folks being sucked in my the legends of biased dice and the general public.
I believe the people who are heavily buying into the theory will always think they way that they do no matter what. You just can't help them.
Even if the dice are biased, the pass line bet is still at LEAST as good as betting red on a single zero roulette table PER bet and much lower per roll.
So it's all basically splitting hairs any way you look at it.
Outside of this forum, the only things that I say about biased dice are to debunk the conclusions of Koga Ninja as a result of his buying in to Harley's theories.
Harley continues to be a good friend of mine (I think) although we don't really talk much since he got banned from this forum. I do respect him very much as a person. But the effects of the biased dice discussion are very detrimental to the game in general and I think it's time to just simply dismiss all of them.
Quote: AhighBut the effects of the biased dice discussion are very detrimental to the game in general and I think it's time to just simply dismiss all of them.
Ok.
Quote: Yo11So I've been a lurker on this site for years. I'm a huge fan of all things Wiz-in fact this site has been my home page for quite some time. I finally decided to become a member when I was reading "biased dice: the science begins" and I threw my iPad.
You think reading it is bad, you should try doing it! /rimshot XD
Quote: FaceQuote: Yo11So I've been a lurker on this site for years. I'm a huge fan of all things Wiz-in fact this site has been my home page for quite some time. I finally decided to become a member when I was reading "biased dice: the science begins" and I threw my iPad.
You think reading it is bad, you should try doing it! /rimshot XD
I sympathize with you Face! Thanks for your efforts, and I'd love to buy you lunch/dinner etc if we ever meet for your participation.
Quote: AhighBut the effects of the biased dice discussion are very detrimental to the game in general and I think it's time to just simply dismiss all of them.
I'm not sure that the discussion itself is detrimental to the game. What I think will be the most damaging to the members of this site, is the pseudo-science under which that thread is being discussed. I foresee many of the users who believe that the dice are biased using the information provided as proof, but only if it works in their favor.
Quote: Yo11I'm not sure that the discussion itself is detrimental to the game. What I think will be the most damaging to the members of this site, is the pseudo-science under which that thread is being discussed. I foresee many of the users who believe that the dice are biased using the information provided as proof, but only if it works in their favor.
The thread was initiated to try to take a scientific approach. It diverged quickly, and once the Wizard is gone, it's just going to end up like all the other threads.
Plenty of mentally inept people believe falsehoods as it relates to gambling and pay dearly for it.
I wouldn't have any income at all if this weren't the case. So why fight it!!!
Let them believe what they wish. Maybe after doing a big lay bet and losing they will learn. Maybe not! Not my problem.
Quote: Yo11What I think will be the most damaging to the members of this site, is the pseudo-science under which that thread is being discussed.
I think the the educated members of the site made their points quite well in that thread. Only through willful ignorance could someone look at that thread and think that what I did was the proper way to do anything =) But like boymimbo said, it wasn't completely worthless. I'm currently writing a sort of conclusion in that thread as we speak, and some of those thoughts were possible only through my participating.
Quote: Yo11So I've been a lurker on this site for years. I'm a huge fan of all things Wiz-in fact this site has been my home page for quite some time. I finally decided to become a member when I was reading "biased dice: the science begins" and I threw my iPad.
Looking forward to being able to actively participate in threads now!
See you on the boards!
Honestly, this is why the Wizard and his mod team should just not tolerate the kind of "crap" that goes on in the craps forum. We have people who could be valuable members scared away by the bullshit.
I found WoV, like OP, because I was a long-time reader of the WoO site, back in the early 2000s. The WoO site was a bastion of reason and logic in a wide web of bullshit and pseudoscience.
And then Wiz made the WoV site, which was great...It was like an Ask the Wizard column every day, updated in real time.
I, too, lurked here for a long time before signing up.
But nowadays, the most active threads are monopolized by a few attention-seeking, math-challenged individuals, and the majority of all posts are made on ridiculous craps claims and ideas that wouldn't stand up to 10th grade stats class.
The current state of the craps forum is just not, in my opinion, reflective of the values both the WoO site and this message board were founded on.
If I were the Wizard, I would take the extreme step and just close down the craps forum. Lost page views be damned. It's gotten that bad.
I, too, cringe at some of the conversations on the fringe, and wonder why certain topics gain the attention that they do. But I also don't want to go back to an even higher profile select few dominating all conversations as it was in the past. I suppose this, like all things in life, must contain a little give and take.
The message contains the sole opinion of Face and does not represent WoV, The Wizard, and was typed without the express written consent of NBC Sports =)
Quote: sodawaterHonestly, this is why the Wizard and his mod team should just not tolerate the kind of "crap" that goes on in the craps forum. We have people who could be valuable members scared away by the bullshit.
I found WoV, like OP, because I was a long-time reader of the WoO site, back in the early 2000s. The WoO site was a bastion of reason and logic in a wide web of bullshit and pseudoscience.
And then Wiz made the WoV site, which was great...It was like an Ask the Wizard column every day, updated in real time.
I, too, lurked here for a long time before signing up.
But nowadays, the most active threads are monopolized by a few attention-seeking, math-challenged individuals, and the majority of all posts are made on ridiculous craps claims and ideas that wouldn't stand up to 10th grade stats class.
The current state of the craps forum is just not, in my opinion, reflective of the values both the WoO site and this message board were founded on.
If I were the Wizard, I would take the extreme step and just close down the craps forum. Lost page views be damned. It's gotten that bad.
I liked this forum better when I wasn't reading your posts. So I understand exactly how you feel. It was nice when you refrained from participating in threads where I posted.
Quote: sodawaterHonestly, this is why the Wizard and his mod team should just not tolerate the kind of "crap" that goes on in the craps forum. We have people who could be valuable members scared away by the bullshit.
I found WoV, like OP, because I was a long-time reader of the WoO site, back in the early 2000s. The WoO site was a bastion of reason and logic in a wide web of bullshit and pseudoscience.
And then Wiz made the WoV site, which was great...It was like an Ask the Wizard column every day, updated in real time.
I, too, lurked here for a long time before signing up.
But nowadays, the most active threads are monopolized by a few attention-seeking, math-challenged individuals, and the majority of all posts are made on ridiculous craps claims and ideas that wouldn't stand up to 10th grade stats class.
The current state of the craps forum is just not, in my opinion, reflective of the values both the WoO site and this message board were founded on.
If I were the Wizard, I would take the extreme step and just close down the craps forum. Lost page views be damned. It's gotten that bad.
I agree. A few have gotten the boot. There's one or two more that could use it as they just can't seem to stop themselves from living in a fantasy world and enticing others to join the fray over and over again. It's impossible to reason with this type of person because they don't live life based on the evidence and facts that guide the rest of us.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I agree. A few have gotten the boot. There's one or two more that could use it as they just can't seem to stop themselves from living in a fantasy world and enticing others to join the fray over and over again. It's impossible to reason with this type of person because they don't live life based on the evidence and facts that guide the rest of us.
ZCore13
If it's one or two, what are the names of these one or two? I mean why leave people guessing?
Maybe they could promote you to moderator since you're so aware of what's best for the forum, and you could just do the job yourself!
Quote: sodawaterHonestly, this is why the Wizard and his mod team should just not tolerate the kind of "crap" that goes on in the craps forum. We have people who could be valuable members scared away by the bullshit.
I wouldn't say I've been scared away from the site because of it. In fact, it was this "crap" that got me to join in the first place.
The real value from this site comes from the ability of its members to discuss strategies. For those who are less mathematically inclined, it offers up a chance to be shown why the theoretical outcomes spit out by computers is applicable to your game. How you choose to use that information is up to you.
I think that as long as you understand the mathematics of your wager, you should feel free to gamble that money as you see fit. Even if that money goes to a higher HE bet, that's fine. Money is just a tool in this case to derive entertainment.
Quote: AhighBut for better or worse, "chastising" as you put it is some type of sport on here..
Says the champion chastiser of all time. You chastise
somebody is almost every post, Ahigh, you've taken
it to unheard of levels. People are wrong and liars
and uninformed and uneducated and dumb as rocks
if you're to be believed. Yet you stayed away for years
because of the chastising? Sure you did......
Quote: AhighI intended to be a sort of mediator between the common folks being sucked in my the legends of biased dice and the general public.
History revionism. I thought you were the #1 advocate of the belief?
Quote: Yo11So I've been a lurker on this site for years. I'm a huge fan of all things Wiz-in fact this site has been my home page for quite some time. I finally decided to become a member when I was reading "biased dice: the science begins" and I threw my iPad.
Looking forward to being able to actively participate in threads now!
See you on the boards!
It's a pleasure to have you become an official member, Yo11!
I know exactly what you mean, by the way. I try to read every post for Moderation reasons, and every time I click on that thread after logging in and see that there are four or five new pages to go through, a small part of me dies.
In terms of nuking the Craps Forum or those discussions, (and I know you didn't suggest that, Yo11) I guess I would say that we limited it so that the thread count on such topics (DI, Biased Dice) isn't flooding...but I'd hesitate to nuke those kind of discussions entirely because they are gambling-related, so I'm not sure under what interpretation of the Rules that could even be done. If the Wizard chose to do any of those things, of course, I would support that 100% as I would with any decision made by Wizard with respect to this board.
Quote: Mission146It's a pleasure to have you become an official member, Yo11!
I know exactly what you mean, by the way. I try to read every post for Moderation reasons, and every time I click on that thread after logging in and see that there are four or five new pages to go through, a small part of me dies.
In terms of nuking the Craps Forum or those discussions, (and I know you didn't suggest that, Yo11) I guess I would say that we limited it so that the thread count on such topics (DI, Biased Dice) isn't flooding...but I'd hesitate to nuke those kind of discussions entirely because they are gambling-related, so I'm not sure under what interpretation of the Rules that could even be done. If the Wizard chose to do any of those things, of course, I would support that 100% as I would with any decision made by Wizard with respect to this board.
Thanks!
I would never nuke these threads. I joined this site as a member to be part of a discussion, not to discount entire ideas. I can, however, understand how frustrating it might be to have to read every single post on DI.
Quote: AlanMendelsonHistory revionism. I thought you were the #1 advocate of the belief?
You thought wrong. Again. The #1 advocate of the belief is clearly Harley. I know you have a hard time telling the two of us apart. We went through that when you accused me of being Harley at Caesars. It's just part of what happens, though, and I understand it. My Papa had similar issues confusing different people before he passed on.
Quote: Yo11I can, however, understand how frustrating it might be to have to read every single post on DI.
Hence, I read very few of them, but nonetheless, welcome to the forum!!
