Behind The Black Dome: An Advantage Player
July 26th, 2012 at 8:47:54 AM
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Take an exclusive look inside the realm of casino Surveillance. This book gives an unprecedented access to what really goes on behind the scenes. See advantage play from a different perspective and through the lens of a camera. Learn the steps of how advantage players are detected and what type of information Surveillance looks for to catch them. This easy to follow guide will go over some of the most common things a Surveillance room would observe on a daily basis. It describes the relationship between Surveillance and APs and how they can avoid tells that are sure to bring heat.
From card counting to hole card play, this is the book they don't want you to see.
See the book here http://www.behindtheblackdome.com
From card counting to hole card play, this is the book they don't want you to see.
See the book here http://www.behindtheblackdome.com
July 26th, 2012 at 8:50:34 AM
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I assume that is a typo. $9.00 seems an appropriate price for this drivel, not $90.00
July 26th, 2012 at 9:10:44 AM
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TDane-
How many casino surveillance personnel are in the surveillance room?
How about Las Vegas casino's only; small-medium-large; slow night, busy night?
Is it up to the casino? Or the gaming commission?
Are there typical ratio's? [# table games / # surveillance operators]
How many casino surveillance personnel are in the surveillance room?
How about Las Vegas casino's only; small-medium-large; slow night, busy night?
Is it up to the casino? Or the gaming commission?
Are there typical ratio's? [# table games / # surveillance operators]
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
July 26th, 2012 at 9:15:02 AM
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Is it against the law to tell people how to try to get away with committing a crime? Card counting is not illegal, but hole carding can be if you're using a device, right?
July 26th, 2012 at 9:31:31 AM
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What a coincidence! Bob Dancer and I are trying to reach you to be a guest on our radio show to discuss your book. Please send me a Private Message to discuss this.
Buzz, I'm calling you on that one. Please explain why it is "drivel." Otherwise, I think you should retract the remark.
Quote: buzzpaffI assume that is a typo. $9.00 seems an appropriate price for this drivel, not $90.00
Buzz, I'm calling you on that one. Please explain why it is "drivel." Otherwise, I think you should retract the remark.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 26th, 2012 at 9:41:17 AM
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drivel : to talk stupidly and carelessly
This book gives an " unprecedented " access to what really goes on behind the scenes
Casino Security and Gaming Surveillance by Derk J. Boss and Alan W. Zajic (Oct 8, 2010)
Casino Surveillance and Security: 150 Things You Should Know by Gary L. Powell, Louis A. Tyska and Lawrence J. Fennelly (Feb 1, 2003)
Blackjack Behind the Camera by AC (Jun 7, 2011)
Security Law and Methods by James F. Pastor (Oct 31, 2006)
Beat the Players: Casinos, Cops And the Game Inside the Game by Bob Nersesian (Jul 10, 2006)
Night Game by Carol Davis Luce (Jun 18, 2012)
Techniques of casino surveillance by Marcia A McDowell (1995)
The card counter's guide to casino surveillance by Cellini (2003)
Techniques of casino surveillance by Marcia A McDowell (1998)
The eye in the sky: A casino surveillance guide for management, directors, and other casino executives and personnel by John M Brubaker (1993)
Casino Security and Gaming Surveillance By Derk J. Boss, Alan W. Zajic by -Author- (Nov 8, 2010)
Wiz I do tend to judge a book by it's cover. UNPRECEDENTED ?????
This book gives an " unprecedented " access to what really goes on behind the scenes
Casino Security and Gaming Surveillance by Derk J. Boss and Alan W. Zajic (Oct 8, 2010)
Casino Surveillance and Security: 150 Things You Should Know by Gary L. Powell, Louis A. Tyska and Lawrence J. Fennelly (Feb 1, 2003)
Blackjack Behind the Camera by AC (Jun 7, 2011)
Security Law and Methods by James F. Pastor (Oct 31, 2006)
Beat the Players: Casinos, Cops And the Game Inside the Game by Bob Nersesian (Jul 10, 2006)
Night Game by Carol Davis Luce (Jun 18, 2012)
Techniques of casino surveillance by Marcia A McDowell (1995)
The card counter's guide to casino surveillance by Cellini (2003)
Techniques of casino surveillance by Marcia A McDowell (1998)
The eye in the sky: A casino surveillance guide for management, directors, and other casino executives and personnel by John M Brubaker (1993)
Casino Security and Gaming Surveillance By Derk J. Boss, Alan W. Zajic by -Author- (Nov 8, 2010)
Wiz I do tend to judge a book by it's cover. UNPRECEDENTED ?????
July 26th, 2012 at 10:06:44 AM
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Quote: buzzpaff
Wiz I do tend to judge a book by it's cover. UNPRECEDENTED ?????
Maybe NOT unprecedented. But possibly still quite valuable depending on whether it simply goes over previously discussed information or trends down a new path. As a player who supports myself solely from advantage play, my thought process is that the best advantage techniques are useless if you are unable apply them anywhere. So any glimpse into the minds of surveillance is not redundant for me. Especially in today's world of rapid technological advancements. Newer material may just cover things, not only not covered but not available only a couple years ago. Information can equal advantage.
July 26th, 2012 at 10:12:45 AM
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And you will be paying $90 ? A simple yes or no will suffice.
July 26th, 2012 at 10:33:21 AM
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I have no interest in purchasing the book. However, if I were, I'd prefer to go thru Amazon or some other recognized source.
For one thing, Amazon allows you to read the first few pages, and gives you the page count. Combined, it gives the potential buyer a real good idea of the value.
$90 may not be a typo. That's for a printed book, shipping included. But for $90, I'd want to judge it by more than just it's cover.
On the other hand, since the author is known to the Wiz, that alone would be enough to get me interested in the book - if I were interested in the topic.
Wiz -
Frankly, I was concerned about it possibly being a violation of your advertising / linking rule, particularly since he's a new member.
That said, if you're trying to contact him, there IS a contact link and email address on his web site.
For one thing, Amazon allows you to read the first few pages, and gives you the page count. Combined, it gives the potential buyer a real good idea of the value.
$90 may not be a typo. That's for a printed book, shipping included. But for $90, I'd want to judge it by more than just it's cover.
On the other hand, since the author is known to the Wiz, that alone would be enough to get me interested in the book - if I were interested in the topic.
Wiz -
Frankly, I was concerned about it possibly being a violation of your advertising / linking rule, particularly since he's a new member.
That said, if you're trying to contact him, there IS a contact link and email address on his web site.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
July 26th, 2012 at 10:38:57 AM
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I believe the Wiz stated that he is trying to contact him, not that he is known to him.
July 26th, 2012 at 10:42:37 AM
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Quote: buzzpaffI believe the Wiz stated that he is trying to contact him, not that he is known to him.
There is a difference between knowing someone and being known to them. The Wizard may not know TDane, but TDane is known to him because of the book.
It does not imply endorsement, merely recognition the work exists.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
July 26th, 2012 at 10:48:31 AM
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Fair enough question, buzz. Not initially, no. I network with a group of professional and semi professional players and if the book has the kind of info I am looking for, there is a good chance there would be some 'chatter and buzz' about it at which point I probably purchase it. I also like listen to interviews and participate in guest chat's involving the author, so I am glad to hear the Wizard trying to arrange the author as a guest on GWAE.
July 26th, 2012 at 10:52:15 AM
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I will reserve comment until the author accepts or rejects the Wiz's offer. One would think an author would jump at such an opportunity, wouldn't you ??
July 26th, 2012 at 11:05:47 AM
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Shouldn't the topic be in Kiosk, rather than Blackjack? Just sayin'.
A falling knife has no handle.
July 26th, 2012 at 11:07:32 AM
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Behind The Black Dome: An Advantage Player's Guide to Casino Surveillance
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July 26th, 2012 at 11:12:32 AM
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I can`t see where he lists how many pages there are.I would suspect this is just a rehash of Cellini`s book and others,but I am interested in hearing him on gambling with an edge.
Happy days are here again
July 26th, 2012 at 11:12:49 AM
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Yes, you would think he would jump at the opportunity to promote his product. But if he doesn't, it doesn't necessarily disqualify him in my mind. His claim is that he is a surveillance professional. Individuals that choose an occupation where they are locked away from the public are often, by nature, introverts and would not be comfortable in such a situation. But yes, I hope he accepts. I would like to hear more from and about him.
July 26th, 2012 at 11:17:12 AM
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was employed in the gaming industry for 12 years, 10 years of which was in casino Surveillance and held the titles of an Operator, Lead and a Supervisor. He worked for casinos from the smallest dump to world class resorts and dealt with advantage players from beginners to professionals.
i am not exactly an intovert, but have been told many time i have a face for radio.
i am not exactly an intovert, but have been told many time i have a face for radio.
July 26th, 2012 at 11:23:11 AM
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You have a strange way of reserving comment...:p
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
July 26th, 2012 at 11:32:51 AM
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Quote: buzzpaffwas employed in the gaming industry for 12 years, 10 years of which was in casino Surveillance and held the titles of an Operator, Lead and a Supervisor. He worked for casinos from the smallest dump to world class resorts and dealt with advantage players from beginners to professionals.
i am not exactly an intovert, but have been told many time i have a face for radio.
Are you still employed in the industry, buzz? Would it be ok, if I picked your brain occasionally by PM?
As for your 'radio' comment, I am sure you exaggerate, but I enjoy your sense of humor.
edit: On second look, I think I misunderstood your post. I thought you were referring to yourself, but on second look, I beleive you are reciting the authors info?? my bad.
July 26th, 2012 at 11:55:22 AM
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Quote: buzzpaffwas employed in the gaming industry for 12 years, 10 years of which was in casino Surveillance and held the titles of an Operator, Lead and a Supervisor. He worked for casinos from the smallest dump to world class resorts and dealt with advantage players from beginners to professionals.
i am not exactly an intovert, but have been told many time i have a face for radio.
It doesn't take long reading the forum to see why your skills are best used behind the locked door and away from paying customers. As for $90 for a book. $90 is a drop in the bucket, not even a factor, if the informstion in the book helps a player win more/more often or helps someone else in the casino business save house assets by recognizing the signs of an AP. To the averge Joe, there is no chance they would buy the book. But the book is obviously not being marketed to the average Joe. It's a very specific target audience that will consider whether to buy it or not. I personally will be waiting to see if he ends up on the Wiz's show and will decide whether to purchase after that.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
July 26th, 2012 at 12:02:43 PM
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$90! As buzz pointed out I think all the info in this book is available for free or a lot cheaper. Many books written on this subject. Also when someone throws around the "this is the book they don't want you to see" terminology they lose credibility with me. This type of sales tactic is constantly used on late nite tv to sell books. The big guy on tv right now is the one saying (secrets the government doesn't want you to know about.)
July 26th, 2012 at 12:03:14 PM
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Quote: Zcore13It doesn't take long reading the forum to see why your skills are best used behind the locked door and away from paying customers. As for $90 for a book. $90 is a drop in the bucket, not even a factor, if the informstion in the book helps a player win more/more often or helps someone else in the casino business save house assets by recognizing the signs of an AP. To the averge Joe, there is no chance they would buy the book. But the book is obviously not being marketed to the average Joe. It's a very specific target audience that will consider whether to buy it or not. I personally will be waiting to see if he ends up on the Wiz's show and will decide whether to purchase after that.
ZCore13
Just a thought..... If a book is being marketed to AP's, wouldn't it be likely that one AP would buy it and 'share' the useful info with his 'friends'?
July 26th, 2012 at 12:20:28 PM
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Soopoo,
That would be awesome if they did. There is nothing better in table games than when a new book or movie comes out about blackjack. The movie "21" was a windfall. I friend of mine could loan me a few books on brain surgery, but that doesn't mean I can do it. I would love it if another movie or a great book came out that everyone wants to share and learn how to "beat the house". :)
ZCore13
That would be awesome if they did. There is nothing better in table games than when a new book or movie comes out about blackjack. The movie "21" was a windfall. I friend of mine could loan me a few books on brain surgery, but that doesn't mean I can do it. I would love it if another movie or a great book came out that everyone wants to share and learn how to "beat the house". :)
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
July 26th, 2012 at 12:33:15 PM
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Well, yes and no. You are correct that the release of a movie and or book is usually a windfall to the casino industry, especially a mainstream release such as the movie "21". Draws in a sh*t load of new 'victims'. However, it isn't until after the fact that the industry realizes this was a windfall. The initial reaction or over-reaction for this paranoid industry is to immediately tighten up conditions and heat, only to realize later that they got all excited about nothing.
July 26th, 2012 at 12:35:25 PM
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I agree that the information in the book would be of marginal value at best. Any counter with a lick of common sense knows precisely how they detect you. You don't have to learn any deep dark "secrets" from the surveillance room. "Gee this guy is spreading his hands and bets just when the count is favorable." "Could be a coincidence..." "There he's doing it again". The count goes neutral. The player goes back to base bet. Boy howdy, takes some real rocket science to detect them there counters! I think lots of wannabe counters would love to find a good straw to grasp at so they can try to make a living at blackjack.
July 26th, 2012 at 1:39:01 PM
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To catch up, just yesterday Richard Munchkin suggested we try to get him as a guest. That was the first I ever heard of the author.
I agree that "unprecedented" sounds like an oversell. However, I'll reserve judgment until I read it. Maybe there is information in there worthy of the adjective.
Agreed, this should have been posted in the kiosk, and I just moved it there.
The $90 is probably correct. For books with a very limited audience one often does charge prices like that if there is something in the pages worth that money. Beyond Counting costs $250, and is worth every penny for the audience he is going after.
Again, I don't have Behind the Black Dome so make no endorsement either way.
I agree that "unprecedented" sounds like an oversell. However, I'll reserve judgment until I read it. Maybe there is information in there worthy of the adjective.
Agreed, this should have been posted in the kiosk, and I just moved it there.
The $90 is probably correct. For books with a very limited audience one often does charge prices like that if there is something in the pages worth that money. Beyond Counting costs $250, and is worth every penny for the audience he is going after.
Again, I don't have Behind the Black Dome so make no endorsement either way.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 26th, 2012 at 2:02:17 PM
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Hmm. Its not for sale on Amazon. There is no chapter info,
no publisher info, not even the number of pages is listed.
T. Dane had a blog up until last week and its been taken
down. For all we know, this is a 20 page booklet done
on sombodies home printer. $90? You go first...
no publisher info, not even the number of pages is listed.
T. Dane had a blog up until last week and its been taken
down. For all we know, this is a 20 page booklet done
on sombodies home printer. $90? You go first...
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 26th, 2012 at 2:40:48 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffI assume that is a typo. $9.00 seems an appropriate price for this drivel, not $90.00
Unless you've read it, you have no way of knowing if it's stupid or careless.
If you have read it, I welcome your review.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 26th, 2012 at 3:01:55 PM
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I don't have to read it. But i will make this bet for anyone who thinks this is worth $90.
You pay $90, then mail it to the Wiz. He can then decide on a fair price.
If that price is closer to $90 than $9, I will reimburse you the $90.
You pay $90, then mail it to the Wiz. He can then decide on a fair price.
If that price is closer to $90 than $9, I will reimburse you the $90.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:05:46 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHmm. Its not for sale on Amazon. There is no chapter info,
no publisher info, not even the number of pages is listed.
T. Dane had a blog up until last week and its been taken
down. For all we know, this is a 20 page booklet done
on sombodies home printer. $90? You go first...
There is an email link on his website? Has anybody asked the questions raised ny Bob ?
July 26th, 2012 at 3:07:06 PM
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So if the Wiz says it`s worth $51 you will reimburse me.
Happy days are here again
July 26th, 2012 at 3:08:23 PM
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July 26th, 2012 at 3:16:14 PM
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Anybody in Vegas familiar with this address. My guess is it's some sort of rent a mail drop out. But feel gree to prove me wrong !
452 E. Silverado Ranch #259
452 E. Silverado Ranch #259
July 26th, 2012 at 3:24:12 PM
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Absolutely , But I hope you are not that foolish. But Yes I will do that.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:27:23 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffI don't have to read it.
That's a very narrow minded view, Buzz. I agree there are warning signs here, mind.
Quote:But i will make this bet for anyone who thinks this is worth $90.
You pay $90, then mail it to the Wiz. He can then decide on a fair price.
If that price is closer to $90 than $9, I will reimburse you the $90.
But then I'd be out a book and postage, even if did get your $90 ;)
That said... well, lets see if I get a response.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 26th, 2012 at 3:30:41 PM
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But surely the Wiz would mail you back the book ! My concern is that someone might actually pay $90 and then hold the Wiz responsible. It's seldom we see such an advertisement on this site. Then one could assume some validity is attached to Wiz and Bob dancer trying to get the author for their radio show.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:36:39 PM
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" That's a very narrow minded view, Buzz. " I consider it a valid opinion based on my years of experience with similar offers and books. I have paid for many books over the years. I was 22 when I bought Beat the dealer over 50 years ago. The rip out straegy
inserts were on hard cardboard, not plastic coated as they are today. Bought both of Ken uston's books, still have Playing BYJ as a business somewhere arounf here. Also bought numerous handicapping books. I never bought any sort of gambling system. I always felt I recieved value on a book, even if I only found a nugget of information isn it.
Anybody willing to drive by that address and see what the name on that business door is ?
I will reimburse gas money.
You could even knock on door or leave a note that the Wiz is trying to contact him for a radio show. I think that would be a
nice thing to do.
inserts were on hard cardboard, not plastic coated as they are today. Bought both of Ken uston's books, still have Playing BYJ as a business somewhere arounf here. Also bought numerous handicapping books. I never bought any sort of gambling system. I always felt I recieved value on a book, even if I only found a nugget of information isn it.
Anybody willing to drive by that address and see what the name on that business door is ?
I will reimburse gas money.
You could even knock on door or leave a note that the Wiz is trying to contact him for a radio show. I think that would be a
nice thing to do.
July 26th, 2012 at 3:53:45 PM
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Google says there's a UPS store at that address and they
have PO boxes. I'm thats what it is.
have PO boxes. I'm thats what it is.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 26th, 2012 at 5:46:33 PM
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Come on Get your $90 up. A real chance to get this book for free.
July 26th, 2012 at 6:08:58 PM
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I like EvenBob's advice......."you go first"
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
July 26th, 2012 at 6:39:22 PM
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But this is a chance to get the book for FREE.
July 26th, 2012 at 7:51:39 PM
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T Dane opened an Ebay account this week just to sell the
book. Its says this:
Contents include: Surveillance Operations, Surveillance Radar: Tells and Triggers Longevity vs. Notoriety Player Toleration, Skills Check: Profiles and Breakdowns, Playing with Information, Surveillance Q&A, Bibliography, Index.
I don't know what 'Tells and Triggers Longevity vs. Notoriety Player Toleration' means.
book. Its says this:
Contents include: Surveillance Operations, Surveillance Radar: Tells and Triggers Longevity vs. Notoriety Player Toleration, Skills Check: Profiles and Breakdowns, Playing with Information, Surveillance Q&A, Bibliography, Index.
I don't know what 'Tells and Triggers Longevity vs. Notoriety Player Toleration' means.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 26th, 2012 at 10:14:36 PM
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I sent this guy an email 12 hours ago and asked
a bunch of questins and I have yet to hear from
him. He's posted the same message on other
forums about selling the book. If he won't answer
simple questions, sales might be little weak.
a bunch of questins and I have yet to hear from
him. He's posted the same message on other
forums about selling the book. If he won't answer
simple questions, sales might be little weak.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 26th, 2012 at 11:27:26 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI sent this guy an email 12 hours ago and asked
a bunch of questins and I have yet to hear from
him. He's posted the same message on other
forums about selling the book. If he won't answer
simple questions, sales might be little weak.
Yep, that was my view... I'll give him a while, but no reply, and I'm not going to take Buzz up on his offer :)
Buzz : I don't object to you thinking, or suspecting it will be drivel based on your experience... I just object to you stating it IS drivel :)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 27th, 2012 at 8:01:46 AM
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It is drivel ! No surprise no emails are answered or that it is on ebay. The format , wording, no refunds, etc are exactly like those used to sell " secret" wholesale DVD lists and other shit on ebay. One does not have to taste horseshit to know what it is !
July 27th, 2012 at 11:18:08 AM
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I wrote him 24 hrs ago and no response. Customer service seems
to be wanting.
to be wanting.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 27th, 2012 at 1:06:46 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI wrote him 24 hrs ago and no response. Customer service seems
to be wanting.
Got a response. 150 printed pages.
I can understand a private individual taking more than 24 hours to respond. This does not make the contents more or less likely to be drivel, of course.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 27th, 2012 at 1:22:56 PM
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Quote: thecesspitGot a response. 150 printed pages.
150 pages minus index, biblio, contents, its probably 140
pages. Thats not much for $90. Is it a paperback or a
hardback? Who's the publisher? $90 is big chunk of
change for a small book. Who has reviewed it? I'd
like to see it, but I don't like buying a pig in a poke.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 27th, 2012 at 1:24:10 PM
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Self published paperback. I suspect it'll be self printed.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
