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Zcore13
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July 26th, 2012 at 11:55:22 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

was employed in the gaming industry for 12 years, 10 years of which was in casino Surveillance and held the titles of an Operator, Lead and a Supervisor. He worked for casinos from the smallest dump to world class resorts and dealt with advantage players from beginners to professionals.

i am not exactly an intovert, but have been told many time i have a face for radio.



It doesn't take long reading the forum to see why your skills are best used behind the locked door and away from paying customers. As for $90 for a book. $90 is a drop in the bucket, not even a factor, if the informstion in the book helps a player win more/more often or helps someone else in the casino business save house assets by recognizing the signs of an AP. To the averge Joe, there is no chance they would buy the book. But the book is obviously not being marketed to the average Joe. It's a very specific target audience that will consider whether to buy it or not. I personally will be waiting to see if he ends up on the Wiz's show and will decide whether to purchase after that.

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rainman
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:02:43 PM permalink
$90! As buzz pointed out I think all the info in this book is available for free or a lot cheaper. Many books written on this subject. Also when someone throws around the "this is the book they don't want you to see" terminology they lose credibility with me. This type of sales tactic is constantly used on late nite tv to sell books. The big guy on tv right now is the one saying (secrets the government doesn't want you to know about.)
SOOPOO
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:03:14 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

It doesn't take long reading the forum to see why your skills are best used behind the locked door and away from paying customers. As for $90 for a book. $90 is a drop in the bucket, not even a factor, if the informstion in the book helps a player win more/more often or helps someone else in the casino business save house assets by recognizing the signs of an AP. To the averge Joe, there is no chance they would buy the book. But the book is obviously not being marketed to the average Joe. It's a very specific target audience that will consider whether to buy it or not. I personally will be waiting to see if he ends up on the Wiz's show and will decide whether to purchase after that.

ZCore13



Just a thought..... If a book is being marketed to AP's, wouldn't it be likely that one AP would buy it and 'share' the useful info with his 'friends'?
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:20:28 PM permalink
Soopoo,

That would be awesome if they did. There is nothing better in table games than when a new book or movie comes out about blackjack. The movie "21" was a windfall. I friend of mine could loan me a few books on brain surgery, but that doesn't mean I can do it. I would love it if another movie or a great book came out that everyone wants to share and learn how to "beat the house". :)

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kewlj
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:33:15 PM permalink
Well, yes and no. You are correct that the release of a movie and or book is usually a windfall to the casino industry, especially a mainstream release such as the movie "21". Draws in a sh*t load of new 'victims'. However, it isn't until after the fact that the industry realizes this was a windfall. The initial reaction or over-reaction for this paranoid industry is to immediately tighten up conditions and heat, only to realize later that they got all excited about nothing.
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:35:25 PM permalink
I agree that the information in the book would be of marginal value at best. Any counter with a lick of common sense knows precisely how they detect you. You don't have to learn any deep dark "secrets" from the surveillance room. "Gee this guy is spreading his hands and bets just when the count is favorable." "Could be a coincidence..." "There he's doing it again". The count goes neutral. The player goes back to base bet. Boy howdy, takes some real rocket science to detect them there counters! I think lots of wannabe counters would love to find a good straw to grasp at so they can try to make a living at blackjack.
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July 26th, 2012 at 1:39:01 PM permalink
To catch up, just yesterday Richard Munchkin suggested we try to get him as a guest. That was the first I ever heard of the author.

I agree that "unprecedented" sounds like an oversell. However, I'll reserve judgment until I read it. Maybe there is information in there worthy of the adjective.

Agreed, this should have been posted in the kiosk, and I just moved it there.

The $90 is probably correct. For books with a very limited audience one often does charge prices like that if there is something in the pages worth that money. Beyond Counting costs $250, and is worth every penny for the audience he is going after.

Again, I don't have Behind the Black Dome so make no endorsement either way.
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EvenBob
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:02:17 PM permalink
Hmm. Its not for sale on Amazon. There is no chapter info,
no publisher info, not even the number of pages is listed.
T. Dane had a blog up until last week and its been taken
down. For all we know, this is a 20 page booklet done
on sombodies home printer. $90? You go first...
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thecesspit
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:40:48 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

I assume that is a typo. $9.00 seems an appropriate price for this drivel, not $90.00



Unless you've read it, you have no way of knowing if it's stupid or careless.

If you have read it, I welcome your review.
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buzzpaff
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July 26th, 2012 at 3:01:55 PM permalink
I don't have to read it. But i will make this bet for anyone who thinks this is worth $90.
You pay $90, then mail it to the Wiz. He can then decide on a fair price.
If that price is closer to $90 than $9, I will reimburse you the $90.

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