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gordonm888
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July 13th, 2016 at 12:14:37 PM permalink
I often wonder if there are any WOV forum members who are actually paid/employed by the casino industry and have - as part of their work assignment - to scan the WOV forum chat and post refutations of any derogatory statements made about the gaming industry and to denounce as "illegal" any concept for reducing the house edge. There are some forum members (we all know who they are) who are on the WOV forums so frequently and who so consistently denounce any person who posts negative opinions about the gambling industry or any AP looking for an edge - that it seems to go way beyond "having an opinion." It seems to be an organized campaign to suppress a certain kind of speech.

Many industries/corporations now employ "marketing assistants" to report on what is occurring on social media and to post statements that will sway public opinion about their industry. No reason the casino industry would be the outlier.

If any of the "usual suspects" want to confirm or deny that they are on the WOV forum as part of their work assignment, it would be appreciated by the rest of us in the suspicious majority.
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July 13th, 2016 at 12:27:45 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

IIf any of the "usual suspects" want to confirm or deny that they are on the WOV forum as part of their work assignment, it would be appreciated by the rest of us in the suspicious majority.

I don't know if I'm a 'usual suspect' but I am not now and never have been employed by, or directed by anyone in the gaming industry. I have occasionally benefited from bonuses and winnings from that industry.
I bear no loyalty or allegience to that industry, and I have empathy with true Advantage Players here. i rather despise and attack posts which promote nonsense {substitute with expletive] I particularly attack posts which are clearly promoting illegality or con tricks.

I don't know if any members are here in the course of employment, though I believe a few are Casino employees and a few are Casino industry advocates. Not necessarily the same people.

Some advantage players get grumpy when their favourite exploits get revealed here.
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July 13th, 2016 at 12:28:53 PM permalink
And would you trust them if they denied it?
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SOOPOO
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July 13th, 2016 at 12:29:45 PM permalink
My hospital does not pay me to be on this website. It is actually blocked at my computer at my desk in the hospital.

But serious answer.... PaiGowDan does not hide who he works for, or worked for in the past. Others (Zcore) works for a casino at some high level. Face was in casino security for a while. Our host worked for the Venetian for a while! I would be surprised if there is not a Caesars employee who scans this and other websites, but I would be less certain about someone paid to be a member and then post casino propaganda. If there is such a person they are not doing a good job. And if there is such a person they aren't going to out themself.....
TwoFeathersATL
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July 13th, 2016 at 12:34:41 PM permalink
I have applied for such a position as Gordon proposes may exist.
Didn't even get a response.
Rude it was ;-)
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DJTeddyBear
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July 13th, 2016 at 12:50:49 PM permalink
PaiGowDan was the first name to come to mind when reading the first post.

Yeah, he can be opinionated. And his opinions are often unpopular, and can make it seem like he is a mouthpiece for the casino industry.

Nothing can be further from the truth.

I've spent a lot of time with him, as well as his wife, including visiting his home on three different occasions. I KNOW him. (Ok, not in the biblical sense, but...)

Yeah, his opinions can be unpopular here, but they are truly his opinions.

The really cool thing about him is, even though we have different opinions on some of those controversial topics, were still good friends and respect each other's opinion.
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July 13th, 2016 at 3:15:09 PM permalink
If any casino or business is looking for such an advocate, pm me.
I'll also sell the space under my post for the right offer.
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July 13th, 2016 at 5:11:41 PM permalink
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Paigowdan
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July 13th, 2016 at 5:37:39 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I often wonder if there are any WOV forum members who are actually paid/employed by the casino industry and have - as part of their work assignment - to scan the WOV forum chat and post refutations of any derogatory statements made about the gaming industry and to denounce as "illegal" any concept for reducing the house edge...


No. If it is anything, it is more of AP-ers doing the log rolling.

The wider brick-and-motor casino industry has a general if not a complete financial disinterest in this site as it affects (or actually doesn't impact) their fortunes, for all the good stories and debates. The industry covers some of their executives to attend shows, the G2E convention, the Cutting Edge convention, where they can sell and buy product, and game protection workshops (think Teliot) where they can better maintain products.
In terms of being an AP site, not much cutting-edge technique is discussed or is of value here, as APHeat and discountgambling.net provide better game protection information, and for free. If they wanted to get to a real AP knowledge-sharing site, they'd go elsewhere where the inner sanctum poop is present, which isn't here. If there are industry people looking for info, they'd be lurkers who would never chime in, and take a few very scant notes.

The industry is interested in making money on their products bringing in players and action, and they'll spend on surveillance and good pit executives, and an occasional seminar or a class. As a cop says to a rubber-necking motorist, "there's nothing here to see [in terms of any real AP gold]". I have seen this site used by some outfits to get some input as to what new games are hot or not and how they work as a small facet of social media, but this site isn't truly wide-reaching social media. For this reason if any industry use of the discussion forum exists, 99 times out of 100 it'll concern game design aspects and questions thereof. This is a discussion forum where opinions get debated, and it is not as sinister or conspiratorial as may be believed.

The site that IS used frequently, and is of great value to the industry, is the wizardofodds.com site, where real game metrics, game play information, and statistical/mathematical information is of greater use.

So, simply put, not a cent, people are happy to call AP for what it is for free from either side, whether just counterproductive for the industry, and eventually counterproductive [through burnout] of the handful of APs who are any threat, or an awesome thing to do.
Last edited by: Paigowdan on Jul 13, 2016
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July 13th, 2016 at 8:48:01 PM permalink
The Wiz worked for the Sands / Venetian for a bit a few years ago.
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