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May 20th, 2018 at 10:11:22 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

This may arguably be true for Vegas Casinos. But for casinos in 3rd world countries?.

I do wish to amend my statement. Third world casinos are an utterly unknown situation. I'm sure you all remember that in Rick's Café the Commissioner of Police was utterly shocked to discover that gambling was taking place on the premises and that but a moment later he was handed his winnings.

Any lack of oversight can breed shady dealings particularly when its mixed with ignorance and inexperience.

Geographic remoteness confers a de-facto monopoly which can sometimes be detrimental but I don't think its a general practice for casinos to cheat simply due to isolation.
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May 20th, 2018 at 11:56:18 AM permalink
Rick's Cafe had a special roulette wheel too, don't forget. A press of the button and ...
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: ďThanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!Ē She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:14:46 PM permalink
Had a fun little excursion on Tuesday at Sands PA where the house tried their best to disrupt a very favorable BJ shoe.

It was a $20 minimum table with a $1000 maximum, that was handicap accessible, but it was filled by me and 4 other patrons. We started the shoe with an older Russian dealer named Irena who busted 7 of the first 9 hands. So needlessly to say, we were pressing our bets and happily enjoying her busting every hand from A-A to 9-2 to 5-5 and everything in between. After about 5 minutes, dealer change...

It was fairly young fella by the name of Xi, who also had a penchant for busting hands in unlikely scenarios and if we had to draw cards, he would give us good hands to beat his 17s and 18s. After 4 hands with Xi, they brought in a taller, younger dealer named Tuan. He dealt about 3 hands, which most of the table won including myself and another guy betting table max, when... dun dun dun! Xi comes back to the table feigning confusion about where he's supposed to be dealing.

Okay, whatever he continues to deal another 2 hands, which he busted both and guess who comes back? Tuan!!! Tuan, pretending like he was never supposed to leave in the first place, deals about 5 hands and we think we're in the clear until a young, female dealer named Susie comes to the table. Susie deals about 4 hands and I win all of them along with the other big bettor playing purple chips. Then wouldn't ya know, another dealer change!

It ends up being Irena, the first dealer who left us less than 20 minutes prior to the game of Dealer Musical Chairs where a card gets burned seemingly every 2 minutes! Sure enough, Irena has a 10 showing and can ya believe it, turns up a Blackjack!

The entire table colored up(except me and the other large bettor rat holing purple and black chips) and we all proceeded to walk away to the cashier. He cashed out over $5000 I was just under $4000 and left before anybody came up to us asking for ID.

We just looked at each other and shook our heads thinking how hard the house tried to cheat us out of winning.
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:20:24 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

We just looked at each other and shook our heads thinking how hard the house tried to cheat us out of winning.



I would not call changing dealers, in an effort to "cool" the table, cheating but just old school superstition. This going by your version of the story. I have a feeling the Sands might tell it differently.

The people I worked with at the Venetian LV would not sweat the money like this but let the cards fall where they may as long as it was a clean game.
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:29:51 PM permalink
Babs, back to your uth thing.

In the two different ways of dealing, how many straight flush or royals have you gotten when dealer cards are dealt first vs last?

Iíd guess that your results variance lie almost entirely in that distribution, and that your sample size of the dealer first is probably a smaller sample also ( I figure most places Iíve seen seem to deal dealer last, as well as your reluctance to continue playing them). I also concur with hunterhill that your hands per hour is probably closer to 20-25 than your estimate of 30+, I track every hand whenever I play that game and Iíve clocked dealers as slow as 13 hands an hour, and there are far more under 20 than over 40 to be sure, pretty much only 40 with combination of 3 players or less and a dealer that can read a board and do simple arithmetic.

That being said....Iím not encouraging you to play where its dealt dealer first, I wouldnít play a game Iím just not comfortable with for whatever reason either.
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:35:45 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Had a fun little excursion on Tuesday at Sands PA where the house tried their best to disrupt a very favorable BJ shoe.

It was a $20 minimum table with a $1000 maximum, that was handicap accessible, but it was filled by me and 4 other patrons. We started the shoe with an older Russian dealer named Irena who busted 7 of the first 9 hands. So needlessly to say, we were pressing our bets and happily enjoying her busting every hand from A-A to 9-2 to 5-5 and everything in between. After about 5 minutes, dealer change...

It was fairly young fella by the name of Xi, who also had a penchant for busting hands in unlikely scenarios and if we had to draw cards, he would give us good hands to beat his 17s and 18s. After 4 hands with Xi, they brought in a taller, younger dealer named Tuan. He dealt about 3 hands, which most of the table won including myself and another guy betting table max, when... dun dun dun! Xi comes back to the table feigning confusion about where he's supposed to be dealing.

Okay, whatever he continues to deal another 2 hands, which he busted both and guess who comes back? Tuan!!! Tuan, pretending like he was never supposed to leave in the first place, deals about 5 hands and we think we're in the clear until a young, female dealer named Susie comes to the table. Susie deals about 4 hands and I win all of them along with the other big bettor playing purple chips. Then wouldn't ya know, another dealer change!

It ends up being Irena, the first dealer who left us less than 20 minutes prior to the game of Dealer Musical Chairs where a card gets burned seemingly every 2 minutes! Sure enough, Irena has a 10 showing and can ya believe it, turns up a Blackjack!

The entire table colored up(except me and the other large bettor rat holing purple and black chips) and we all proceeded to walk away to the cashier. He cashed out over $5000 I was just under $4000 and left before anybody came up to us asking for ID.

We just looked at each other and shook our heads thinking how hard the house tried to cheat us out of winning.




What time was it?
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:40:26 PM permalink
Quote: GlenG

What time was it?


That was my first thought also.
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:42:33 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

That was my first thought also.



Usually during the last hour or so of swing-shift, people start getting their EOs and dealer shuffling will happen, especially if its an inexperienced pencil since they should be required to know what games the dealers know.
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June 4th, 2018 at 6:54:19 PM permalink
Pretty sharp of the pit boss to anticipate a hot shoe and have several dealers standing by to thwart it.
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June 4th, 2018 at 7:01:49 PM permalink
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Pretty sharp of the pit boss to anticipate a hot shoe and have several dealers standing by to thwart it.



They are normally planned and strategized hours ahead of time. We use a psychic and time traveler to determine the right time & table

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