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Commish
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February 11th, 2018 at 12:48:00 PM permalink
I have played UTH all over the world for the last 9 years. I have gotten 65 straight flushes in that time. I have seen the game dealt many many different ways. I can honestly say that I have never noticed a significant difference in the results based upon the manner of dealing.
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February 11th, 2018 at 12:56:16 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Thanks, Fleastiff. I don't think.there's enough evidence to show a provable situation myself, but the question was asked, so that's what I have. I would estimate about 50 hours of the 250 total was at those tables, mostly before I started noticing a trend. For a lot of it, one particular casino among them had a very flashy crew, so that was offsetting some of the problems, but they corrected their problem, last I saw.


Yea, probably not enough data to prove anything one way or the other mathematically.

Do you only play when you find sloppy dealers, or just take advantage of that information when you find it? That would further muddy the waters in trying to get any conclusion from your data.
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February 11th, 2018 at 8:51:02 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

This woman seems to be kind of incompetent at her job. :/ I don't see her lasting long with her work ethic there.



She's been there over 10 years, so it hasn't happened yet! I guess nobody says anything when she overpays and then she gets snippy when you correct her mistakes. So I doubt anyone but me had the stones to speak up and say something to her.

Quote: sabre

You give numerous examples of the dealer paying players when she shouldn't yet you conclude they're cheating you. OK..



Maybe you should read carefully then, I said the dealer is cheating both players and the house. I did not specifically say she was cheating me in those over pay instances. These were examples of a dealer cheating, whether it be for or against the house, it's still wrong!
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February 12th, 2018 at 1:55:10 AM permalink
Quote: Commish

I have played UTH... for 9 years ... have never noticed a difference based upon the manner of dealing.

Well, that shows short term versus long term observations. Anyway it was an interesting observation from BBB albeit a short term one. Tnx to each of you.
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February 14th, 2018 at 1:39:15 AM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

She's been there over 10 years, so it hasn't happened yet! I guess nobody says anything when she overpays and then she gets snippy when you correct her mistakes. So I doubt anyone but me had the stones to speak up and say something to her.





I assumed she was a recent hire. Wow! 10 years with that horrible work ethic! SMDHIS! Shaking my damn head in shock!
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February 14th, 2018 at 7:40:56 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I assumed she was a recent hire. Wow! 10 years with that horrible work ethic! SMDHIS! Shaking my damn head in shock!



There are quite a few dealers at Caesar's AC that should be put out to pasture. This one isn't that old, late 40's at best, but the indifferent attitude towards making mistakes is enough to put them elsewhere as far as table games go.

One of the many personnel problems facing CET today.
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May 19th, 2018 at 6:59:29 PM permalink
This thread was sure fun to read.

Not gonna dive deep into it, but will make some points.

8 years Dealing 2 of those as a Dual Rate Supervisor (Missouri ((Yes GC on site there, a few times the OP mentioned where is GC in missouri)) and Nevada)

Has anyone actually stopped and watched a dealer open a game before? My first 2 jobs in Missouri, the supervisor opens up 6 fresh packs of cards(prob 8 now) checks A-K for all suits and gives them to the dealers..the dealers then spread them out and also checks A-K on all suits, then turns them over and checks the back for obvious printer errors/damages..they are then washed and put in a pile to be shuffled or thrown into the machines. This is all in clear view of anyone who wants to watch..ive never turned anyone any for watching me open up a table (they cannot sit though cause i wash pretty thoroughly). At the casino i work at in Vegas, the Asst Shift managers on duty stand at a podium in the middle of a pit and opens new packs, checks the cards (both of them do) and puts them in a clear box and locks them with a zip tie for the dealer to use when a table opens, who also checks the cards.. this process is also in clear view of anyone who wants to watch...It may not be the same everywhere, but if places are replacing cards with other cards..when? For the Automatic Shuffler Machines the ON/OFF button is inside the machine, which has to be opened, its always empty (if it wasn't, then someone is in trouble)....Same goes for Craps..in all the places i worked at, the dice are all checked to be at scale, balanced and have the same serial #...the shift and supervisor usually do it together before the table opens..which is also in clear view for whoever wants to watch it.

Another thing, some casinos do have a button under the blackjack tables..2 i worked at both had the same button for the same function..and that was the fan on the table..I have never heard of a place that places buttons that the dealer presses to clock their HPH, usually surveillance or a supervisor will do that. Not to say HPH clockers dont exsist...and what happens if the dealer forgets to press it..idno.

I have replaced layouts on craps and BJ and roulette games..no mechanics, or magnets, or electric field generating machines whatsoever..the shuffler, computers, fans are plugged into a power strip which is plugged into the floor. none of them are physically connected to eachother..unless the $5 power strip is super intelligent.


There were a few other things..but i forgot..sorry for reviving this thread, hopfully it doesnt turn into 30 more pages..Some of these people arnt here anymore...

The member who made Wizard of Oz references in like every comment they made..weird.


So basically this thread is this:

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May 20th, 2018 at 2:02:27 AM permalink
Yes, its been an entertaining thread and at times an informative one.

I've watched blackjack and dice tables being opened.

Never been discouraged from viewing the shuffling. Aboard the gambling boats there is not much else to do until you reach international waters but eat drink or watch them shuffle. People like to guarantee themselves a seat at the low end tables and at the high end tables so the smaller gambling boat I used to go on had atleast twenty players chatting and watching the shuffling as the boat headed out to the boundary. Nothing was happening that twenty or thirty players each missed. Nothing.

Casinos can be strange places at times but they have enough of an edge to begin with and no need to jeopardize licenses with further "edge creation" practices or devices.
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May 20th, 2018 at 3:06:28 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Yes, its been an entertaining thread and at times an informative one.

I've watched blackjack and dice tables being opened.

Never been discouraged from viewing the shuffling. Aboard the gambling boats there is not much else to do until you reach international waters but eat drink or watch them shuffle. People like to guarantee themselves a seat at the low end tables and at the high end tables so the smaller gambling boat I used to go on had atleast twenty players chatting and watching the shuffling as the boat headed out to the boundary. Nothing was happening that twenty or thirty players each missed. Nothing.

Casinos can be strange places at times but they have enough of an edge to begin with and no need to jeopardize licenses with further "edge creation" practices or devices.



Exactly. It's all there in plain view. Most Dealers will show and explain the whole process while they are doing it.
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May 20th, 2018 at 8:45:33 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Casinos can be strange places at times but they have enough of an edge to begin with and no need to jeopardize licenses with further "edge creation" practices or devices.



This may arguably be true for Vegas Casinos. But for casinos in 3rd world countries? For those Indian casinos where the tribe self-regulates with near-zero state oversight? For frontier casinos (say, in northern Canada) that have an "outpost mentality?"

If casinos have "enough of an edge to begin with" than why do they keep personnel salaries so low? Why are casinos closing?

I have never met any business man who is so fat and happy that they wouldn't elect to make even more money if they could press a button and expect not to be caught.
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