I do understand that food processing is not the point of your post, but are you actually familiar at all with the government inspection of slaughter/processing plants? I admit that I myself have never been to a beef or pork facility, but I have visited a number of poultry processing plants.Quote: rxwine... or the FDA and meat packing. Someone goes in and pokes a ham once a year, and gives a Pass to the whole system.
Okay, a bit of hyperbole, but ...
Each plant has full-time veterinarians from the Department of Agriculture working in the plant whenever the lines are in operation. They are continuously inspecting, and I think they actually look at every bird individually as its carcass is processed -- and that's a whole flock of chickens at those big plants. The inspectors have the authority (and use it) to shut down the entire plant if they don't like what they see. It is far from being a cursory inspection process or an automatic "Pass." There is something closer to a polite, adversarial relationship than a buddy-buddy relationship between processor and inspector.
I suspect the same is true of beef and pork processing facilities, though I have no first-hand experience. That's why it is such a shock and a really big deal when contaminated meat actually gets to the market.
It is my impression that the fishing industry is quite a different story, but I know none of the details there.
Quote: JerryLoganI know the Nevada regulations SAY that the machines can be examined at any time without notice but I have never SEEN that happen, and of the very many other players I know and have asked this of, none of them have ever seen that occur also. In addition, I regularly ask the machine techs who either fix my machines or in casual conversation, and none of them have ever heard of or seen these snap inspections occur either. I'm more of the opinion that the inspectors might check over machines that went out of service due to technical problems and then went back on line, and not necessarily directly either. They may get copies of tech reports that are signed off by the proper casino authorities.
Obviously game inspections happen or you'd never get a situation like Ron Harris. And how do you know that you'd be able to identify a gaming agent inspection if you saw it, as opposed to just another casino manager doing an internal audit?
Quote: MathExtremistObviously game inspections happen or you'd never get a situation like Ron Harris. And how do you know that you'd be able to identify a gaming agent inspection if you saw it, as opposed to just another casino manager doing an internal audit?
They may actually occur, but hardly in the way we think of them as. I also don't believe anything would ever be made public unless it was for a specific reason other than what we'd expect. The company I work for regularly has truck inspections and they are visible, often, and thorough. But that's only because an unsafe truck puts lives in danger. One could make a very good argument for not inspecting the machines.
Quote: HeadlockOr at least prove there is a deterrent.
I posed a question in an earlier thread asking whether anyone had knowledge of gaming control checking dice or cards. This was the only comment.
q=SanchoPanza]Before the tables open for the day, I've seen CCC personnel in Atlantic City walking around as the calipers were being deployed. It's not a big deal. And it's probably more in the casinos' interest to have unbiased dice in the event that sharp-eyed customers might pick up on some anomaly.
Who are CCC personnel?
I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who witnessed gaming control snatching the dice off the table and checking them right there. If I am ever lucky enough to see gaming control in a casino (and so far I have not been lucky) I plan to ask for identification and call their office to confirm they don't work for the casino.
Has anyone ever seen gaming control check the dice or the cards? Any first-hand knowledge? Any gaming commission readers out there?
Casinos try to cheat me regularly.... You ever heard of asm's well watch out for blue decks they are stacked sometimes by the machines. Also, in shoe games that are electronic, the shoe can tell if a deck is ten rich and sometimes, not all the time, they will shuffle it when this occurs, before the cut card. This is especially true for online casinos...
Quote: bjgodWho are CCC personnel?
Casino Control Commission, one of the (currently) two New Jersey State agencies in regulating casino gambling.
Quote: bjgodIf I am ever lucky enough to see gaming control in a casino (and so far I have not been lucky) I plan to ask for identification and call their office to confirm they don't work for the casino.
Lots of luck in dealing with the response, too.
Quote: bjgodCasinos try to cheat me regularly.... You ever heard of asm's well watch out for blue decks they are stacked sometimes by the machines.
Why would you play with them?
Quote: bjgodAlso, in shoe games that are electronic, the shoe can tell if a deck is ten rich and sometimes, not all the time, they will shuffle it when this occurs, before the cut card. This is especially true for online casinos...
Do you play online, too?
Quote: bjgodCasinos try to cheat me regularly.... You ever heard of asm's well watch out for blue decks they are stacked sometimes by the machines. Also, in shoe games that are electronic, the shoe can tell if a deck is ten rich and sometimes, not all the time, they will shuffle it when this occurs, before the cut card. This is especially true for online casinos...
Quite the contrary, most online casinos don't use virtual shoes. Essentially all major online software vendors shuffle the deck each time a hand is dealt. Just like land-based video blackjack games.
Why do you feel you're so regularly cheated? More to the point, why do you still play?
I said, "casinos have such a huge house advantage on games that they do not need to cheat to crush"
There is one inadvertent (at least I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt) mistake that you have to watch out for in 3 card. At the casino I play at (I'm assuming it's the same everywhere), if the dealer doesn't qualify then all the players who are still in the game are supposed to automatically win their ante bet at 1 to 1. The play bet is a push (and should be pushed back as soon as the dealer sees that he didn't qualify), and the pairs plus still depends on whether you get pairs or higher. But I've seen some dealers attempt to pick up bets if their non-qualifying hands still beat the hands of the players, and I've heard that in some cases if the players didn't realize what was going on that they got away with it (to be fair to the dealers, who sometimes switch between Ultimate and 3 card, in Ultimate that is the correct procedure.) 3 card usually has the rules written on the felt, so if you ever do play 3 card poker and the dealer tries to pick up your ante bet when they did not qualify, read the rules on the felt and then ask for a pit boss to make sure they're following the rules.
After Katrina, Biloxi casinos had some ill-trained dice dealers. Taking a Come Bet on a Seven-Out benefited the casino but it was simple ignorance. Do you think the casino was going to give the dealer a bit more because one five dollar chip got swept up than it should have?