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SOOPOO
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November 6th, 2010 at 4:48:18 PM permalink
If I remember correctly, and the math guys can verify, if the house made one die more likely to be a 1 or 2, then that will favor the house, assuming more money is on the pass line than the don't pass line. In my limited craps experiences this has always been the case. (If a player knew this they could take advantage).
superrick
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November 6th, 2010 at 4:52:56 PM permalink
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To start with I have never seen a gaming board member in a casino, but I have threating to call them a few times, for pay-outs, for dealers cheating players. To help other players out when they booked a bet and the dealer turned around and said the player never book a hoping bet, after he hit it for big bucks, the bet was booked on the comeout roll everytime he got the dice in his hands. That one was at a small house, and the player just took his money back and said he would not play in there again!

I have made them run the video when they said a bonus bet did not hit, and because they new I tracked every roll on the table they ran the video and paid off on the bets! “Fire Bet, All tall All small”

I have been called a member of the Short Bus Crew, because of some members on a different board trying to prove that there are biased dice being used in the casinos. Many of the members have repletively said biased dice not shaved or loaded dice, but other craps boards have tried to make us out like nut in the loony bin!

Read this blog about the dice, all this did take place, and they use to balance the dice in the pit before they put them in the game years ago, now they don't.


Take the information you get off this blog, and see if you can set-up a meeting with the guy that runs it, it's an eye opener.

So here the Short Bus Crew is at it again, what a bunch of losers, they can't shoot craps and they must lose all the time!

There guys I said it for you so you wouldn't have to waste you time writing anything about biased dice!

Here is the blog, if you want a meeting PM me and I will see if I can set it up for you!

http://dicecraps.blogspot.com/

superrick
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MathExtremist
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November 6th, 2010 at 5:04:51 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If I remember correctly, and the math guys can verify, if the house made one die more likely to be a 1 or 2, then that will favor the house, assuming more money is on the pass line than the don't pass line. In my limited craps experiences this has always been the case. (If a player knew this they could take advantage).



It would also make the Any Craps bet, the Horn, the Snake-Eyes, and the Ace-Deuce bet much closer to player-favorable. That's not something the casino should ever do because they can get hurt a lot faster on Snake-Eyes than they can on the pass bet. And have you ever noticed how prop bettors bet in streaks? Once 2s or 3s started running, you'd have a lot of action on them and the house would take a bath.

I can't say for certain that no casino operator has ever used biased dice, but if I were the TGD I'd never do it. For the small edge gain on the passline you'd be giving up potentially double-digit edges on your prop bets. That's not a good tradeoff.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Headlock
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November 6th, 2010 at 6:55:32 PM permalink
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Read the Nevada gaming regulations. Several parts of Regulation 5, for example, basically say that every aspect of a gaming establishment is subject to inspection by a board or commission member at any time and that denying that inspection is grounds for disciplinary action. I know for a fact that Nevada gaming agents perform random inspections of slot machines. Here's a link to a NGCB presentation on their field services.

Many other jurisdictions do the same thing. For example, Ontario.

Edit: I should add that I have specifically asked the NGCB whether physical gaming elements (like dominoes) are required to be approved. The NGCB has the authority to approve dice, cards, and other "associated equipment" but they currently do not require such approval. In other words, casinos in Nevada are free to get their cards or dice (or - importantly for me - dominoes) wherever they want. This is unlike Washington State, for example, which requires an authorized distributor and specific approval for cards (dice games are not allowed in WA).



Thanks for sharing that information Math Extremist. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but I'm not interested so much in reading regulations, but rather examples of actual enforcement.
superrick
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November 6th, 2010 at 7:11:54 PM permalink
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You don't see enforcement in the casinos here in NV!
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teddys
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November 6th, 2010 at 7:29:43 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If I remember correctly, and the math guys can verify, if the house made one die more likely to be a 1 or 2, then that will favor the house, assuming more money is on the pass line than the don't pass line. In my limited craps experiences this has always been the case. (If a player knew this they could take advantage).

This is one reason why I swear it's better to be a don'ts bettor as a rule.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
MathExtremist
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November 6th, 2010 at 8:20:36 PM permalink
Quote: Headlock

Thanks for sharing that information Math Extremist. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but I'm not interested so much in reading regulations, but rather examples of actual enforcement.



Why not go to the source? Give the gaming commission in your chosen jurisdiction a call and ask them how often they do random gaming inspections, and what kinds. I already pointed out that the dice aren't regulated in NV, so you'll likely never see a gaming agent in Vegas halt play on a craps table to balance-check the dice.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
JerryLogan
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November 6th, 2010 at 11:31:09 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Why not go to the source? Give the gaming commission in your chosen jurisdiction a call and ask them how often they do random gaming inspections, and what kinds. I already pointed out that the dice aren't regulated in NV, so you'll likely never see a gaming agent in Vegas halt play on a craps table to balance-check the dice.



I know the Nevada regulations SAY that the machines can be examined at any time without notice but I have never SEEN that happen, and of the very many other players I know and have asked this of, none of them have ever seen that occur also. In addition, I regularly ask the machine techs who either fix my machines or in casual conversation, and none of them have ever heard of or seen these snap inspections occur either. I'm more of the opinion that the inspectors might check over machines that went out of service due to technical problems and then went back on line, and not necessarily directly either. They may get copies of tech reports that are signed off by the proper casino authorities.
rxwine
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November 7th, 2010 at 1:02:19 AM permalink
I've never knowingly witnessed an inspection in the 10 years I've been here.

That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but it does seem a bit odd. They must be very stealthy.

Maybe that's why there's never a super major bust. It's like the SEC and the stock market, or the FDA and meat packing. Someone goes in and pokes a ham once a year, and gives a Pass to the whole system.

Okay, a bit of hyperbole, but yes, I do not understand why the inspection system isn't highly visible, at least once they show up and all when everyone already knows they are on the premises. They should wear a big jacket (like SWAT or FBI does) when they get into the building. So, we know, our Gaming Commision is at work making sure the games are fair.
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JerryLogan
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November 7th, 2010 at 1:28:12 AM permalink
The Gaming Commission holds hands with the casinos who hold hands with the game manufacturers. None of them are going to go beyond "poking the ham" because it just isn't good business. It's no different than how the politicians interact with the major businesses in their areas. The only time any "issues" are identified is when something very public occurs, and then it's simply a CYA affair. The whole system is based on the honor system and looking the other way if the envelope gets anywhere near pushed. It is WE who make a much bigger deal out of what the Gaming Commisions rather than what they actually go about doing.

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