mkl654321
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January 9th, 2011 at 7:42:06 PM permalink
I was amazed at the prevalence of awful 6:5 BJ during my recent Vegas visit. It was at every single casino I saw, in one form or another. And it wasn't even restricted to single deck--I saw plenty of 6:5 double deck, and even shoe games!! ECCCCCCHHHH!!!

That got me to wondering--does the average Strip-going tourist ploppie now think that 6:5 is the norm? Do they, or will they think that that is what a blackjack is "supposed" to pay? I can only imagine the future:

Stickman: "Eleven, line away." Old-timer: "WHAT?????" Dealer: "Sir, eleven has ALWAYS been a loser on the comeout."

Player: "Why did you just take my entire stack of chips?" Dealer: "Because you got two red jacks, sir. Says so right there: PLAYER FORFEITS ALL CHIPS IF DEALT TWO RED JACKS."

Player: "I lined up three 7's. Why didn't the machine pay the jackpot?" Slot floorman: "Slot machines don't pay jackpots--you just get free doughnuts. Here you go. Congratulations!"

Dealer: "Sir, the roulette wheel has ALWAYS had eight zeros. And straight-up bets on a number pay 12 to 1, just like they always have."
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Ibeatyouraces
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January 10th, 2011 at 8:46:45 AM permalink
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FinsRule
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January 10th, 2011 at 9:16:45 AM permalink
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't believe that we'll ever get to the point where every game in the casino has a house edge of 10% or more. I think the sweet spot is around 5%, which is why 6:5 BJ is becoming the norm.

There are a lot of idiots who will play bad games. But if the games are too bad that they never win, they won't come back.
FleaStiff
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January 10th, 2011 at 9:34:38 AM permalink
Okay. Nowadays its all Ticket In, Ticket Out but the imagery remains: you dribble a few quarters into the metal tray every now and then and you put up all those pictures on the wall with little old ladies getting checks for a gadzillion dollars. Then you sit back and collect your money.

You have to get them into the casino in the first place, with their money ... and you have to part them from their money too.

Brainwashed or drunken tourists don't seem to care much about house edge. Unfortunately.
jrock
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January 10th, 2011 at 10:04:38 AM permalink
Is the 6:5 mainly on the low limit games?
mkl654321
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January 10th, 2011 at 10:39:04 AM permalink
Quote: jrock

Is the 6:5 mainly on the low limit games?



That used to be the case, but now it's more like, they raise and lower the limits on ALL the games according to what the traffic will bear. So when they jack up the minimums to $25 on a Friday night at Harrah's, the 6:5 games get jacked up right along with everything else. Usually, though, you can find a $5 minimum 6:5 game if you look around, which makes sense since a $5 6:5 game earns more money for the house than a $25 3:2 game does (horrifying, but true).
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January 10th, 2011 at 10:42:57 AM permalink
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mkl654321
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January 10th, 2011 at 10:45:36 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

And it doesnt matter how much you educate these players, but they will still go for the lower limit and worse odds.



That was kind of my point in asking the question in the first place. Are the flocks of sheep at the 6:5 tables there because they don't know any better, because they don't care, or because they have seen nothing but 6:5, so they think that's the norm?
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January 10th, 2011 at 10:53:21 AM permalink
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calwatch
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January 11th, 2011 at 1:22:52 AM permalink
At Harrah's 6:5 shoe games ($10 minimum) were in the party pit. Not much of a party pit considering how the alleged dancers looked. Of course legitimate $15 and $20 minimum 3:2 shoe games were inside.

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