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ChallengedMilly
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November 15th, 2023 at 10:00:35 AM permalink
Had this shower thought and figured I'd ask here what your thoughts were. So the scenario I'm thinking of is that you'd have a very secure website where your Win/Loss statement could be verified for accuracy(so no photoshopping it) while also ensuring that no one can obtain your other information(name/dob/address/etc). It would be linked and verified to your online nickname, and thus if you made a claim about winning a bunch or losing a bunch, people could double check in semi-real time if youre full of it or not. Right now for example I'm lifetime positive against Caesars(the main conglomerate I gamble with) and another smaller casino. I can legitimately say that because if push came to shove I could verify it.

We know of certain folks that make bold claims but aren't forced to back them up with proof. This would allow for it to be done. So what do you think?
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November 15th, 2023 at 10:14:05 AM permalink
Quote: ChallengedMilly

Had this shower thought and figured I'd ask here what your thoughts were. So the scenario I'm thinking of is that you'd have a very secure website where your Win/Loss statement could be verified for accuracy(so no photoshopping it) while also ensuring that no one can obtain your other information(name/dob/address/etc). It would be linked and verified to your online nickname, and thus if you made a claim about winning a bunch or losing a bunch, people could double check in semi-real time if youre full of it or not. Right now for example I'm lifetime positive against Caesars(the main conglomerate I gamble with) and another smaller casino. I can legitimately say that because if push came to shove I could verify it.

We know of certain folks that make bold claims but aren't forced to back them up with proof. This would allow for it to be done. So what do you think?
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Why is it important to you that you verify it. I don't get it. The casino knows you did it, you know you did it, what does it matter if anybody else see's the verification.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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November 15th, 2023 at 10:18:34 AM permalink
Other.

The casino win/loss statement is often inaccurate enough not to be useful validation of anything I find intriguing.
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November 15th, 2023 at 10:38:36 AM permalink
I would consider joining such a forum as I've no hidden agenda, no desire to impress strangers with claims of, for example, winning every session or making millions a year from AP.

Frankly that kind of thing gets very old and it would be great to actually have a means of objective proof.

But I'd suggest that members produce tax returns as well.
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November 15th, 2023 at 10:49:21 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why is it important to you that you verify it. I don't get it. The casino knows you did it, you know you did it, what does it matter if anybody else see's the verification.
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Don't pretend like you don't know the answer to this.
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November 15th, 2023 at 12:15:42 PM permalink
It's a gambling forum. The truth has nothing to do with it.
If you choose to sit around all day making up fantastical stories and be the butt of an ongoing joke, consider yourself at home. Consider yourself part of the family.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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November 15th, 2023 at 12:41:40 PM permalink
No, because I do not have time to make up such a statement for myself. And I do no care about anyone else.
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November 15th, 2023 at 12:46:01 PM permalink
There have been private AP information forums in the past where you had to be invited to and accepted based on your knowledge and credibility and references. They fizzled out for the most part because some people weren't really sharing the good information. I may have been one of those not sharing as much information as I should have been.

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It's fairly easy to tell who is full of S**t.

Especially those who offer zero proof of anything.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2023 at 12:56:53 PM permalink
To answer the question...

It would depend on the people there and value of the information shared. There will always be iinfotrators getting information and not contributing.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2023 at 12:58:12 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: ChallengedMilly

Had this shower thought and figured I'd ask here what your thoughts were. So the scenario I'm thinking of is that you'd have a very secure website where your Win/Loss statement could be verified for accuracy(so no photoshopping it) while also ensuring that no one can obtain your other information(name/dob/address/etc). It would be linked and verified to your online nickname, and thus if you made a claim about winning a bunch or losing a bunch, people could double check in semi-real time if youre full of it or not. Right now for example I'm lifetime positive against Caesars(the main conglomerate I gamble with) and another smaller casino. I can legitimately say that because if push came to shove I could verify it.

We know of certain folks that make bold claims but aren't forced to back them up with proof. This would allow for it to be done. So what do you think?
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Why is it important to you that you verify it. I don't get it. The casino knows you did it, you know you did it, what does it matter if anybody else see's the verification.
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Because certain people just tell lies and make crap up.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2023 at 1:06:36 PM permalink
I don't understand why some people here care what others are claiming. My assumption is that about 90% of the claims here are probably false and I could care less.

I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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November 15th, 2023 at 1:18:54 PM permalink
I am assuming that everyone here is a winner except for the one non-gambler on the forum.

I would not be a gambling if I did not have a decent advantage. I presume all other gamblers feel the same way.
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November 15th, 2023 at 1:40:04 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

No, because I do not have time to make up such a statement for myself. And I do no care about anyone else.
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Exactly. I don't get the point of it, it's on a need to know basis. And nobody on a gambling form needs to know.
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November 15th, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM permalink
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I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
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That's exactly how I feel when others make claims, it doesn't affect me so what do I care if it's true or not. Maybe it is maybe it isn't I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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November 15th, 2023 at 1:46:40 PM permalink
Quote: Mental

I am assuming that everyone here is a winner except for the one non-gambler on the forum.

I would not be a gambling if I did not have a decent advantage. I presume all other gamblers feel the same way.
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You are quite out of touch then. Most gamblers do not have a ‘decent advantage’. The vast majority actually have a ‘decent disadvantage’. What percentage of gamblers are APs that actually have an advantage, 1%? 5%? Certainly not more than that. And most gamblers are aware that the house has the edge.
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November 15th, 2023 at 2:23:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: ChallengedMilly

Had this shower thought and figured I'd ask here what your thoughts were. So the scenario I'm thinking of is that you'd have a very secure website where your Win/Loss statement could be verified for accuracy(so no photoshopping it) while also ensuring that no one can obtain your other information(name/dob/address/etc). It would be linked and verified to your online nickname, and thus if you made a claim about winning a bunch or losing a bunch, people could double check in semi-real time if youre full of it or not. Right now for example I'm lifetime positive against Caesars(the main conglomerate I gamble with) and another smaller casino. I can legitimately say that because if push came to shove I could verify it.

We know of certain folks that make bold claims but aren't forced to back them up with proof. This would allow for it to be done. So what do you think?
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Why is it important to you that you verify it. I don't get it. The casino knows you did it, you know you did it, what does it matter if anybody else see's the verification.
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Because certain people just tell lies and make crap up.
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You say that as if it is a bad thing.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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November 15th, 2023 at 2:59:41 PM permalink
I have played at more than 80 B&M casinos. Couldn't I just cherry pick the casinos where I show a win for the year?

I am a lifetime winner at about one in five B&M casinos just based on play. After accounting for free slot play/cashback, I am a winner at about half of them. It is a rare B&M W/L statement that has any mention of FSP. Therefore, I am a certified lifetime loser at B&M casinos based on my W/L statements. I do report a lot of income to the IRS because I have monetized millions of dollars of FSP. Very many successful APs will not be able to show a W/L statement that proves that they win. I can show you my tax records, but why would you believe them.

Online is a bit different than B&M. Some casinos will show cumulative FSP or will correct your W/L record for FSP. Others just give the W/L attributed to game play and provide no record of FSP. Some online casinos will show a credit for FSP when it is issued and a debit when it is used to stake a real-money game. Others will not show a credit or debit for FSP in the log, but will log the winnings from play initiated with FSP. In that case, the log might show a series of hundreds of wins with no corresponding stake.

Online transaction logs are accurate to the penny, and there is no way to play without having your play logged to your the account you are using. This is different than B&M where many APs play as refusals, without a card, or with another players card in the game. They sometime strategically pull their card to hide wins.

If you give me all your login names and passwords, I am willing to check all of your online W/L records and vouch for you to the forum.

Finally, no matter what you did for security and anonymizing, I would be worried about doxxing myself but putting my financial records online. If I make a claim, you can decide for yourself if you believe it or not.
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November 15th, 2023 at 7:43:33 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: DRich



I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
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That's exactly how I feel when others make claims, it doesn't affect me so what do I care if it's true or not. Maybe it is maybe it isn't I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Then why did/do you comment on Mikki and other's claims about winning etc? You obviously care enough to comment on it.

I think it goes without saying that no one is losing sleep over other people's claims and it's rarely going to affect anyone who knows better. Unfortunately, for some BS claims of being able to beat games of chance with a built-in house Edge without a proven mathematical advantage absolutely does affect many people and horrible ways. People lose their entire life savings, go into debt, commit crimes Etc all while attempting to beat -EV games straight up.

Let me ask you this Bob, have you, or has anyone ever contacted you regarding using learning or helping in regards to your system/method(other than myself)? I'm not talking about some simple math help, I think you understand what I'm asking if not, I will clarify. I have a feeling you won't answer that question openly and honestly without some spin because either...
A) you'll be lying, or B) they/you have.

I put a rough over under at 5.

I thought part of the Wizard's goal in starting this site was to weed out BS gambling claims, systems, and fake methods like yours.

If Mike wasn't such a nice guy and we put a gun to his head and told him to be brutally honest, and to be as nasty as possible with you, your head would spin.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2023 at 7:55:58 PM permalink
Quote: Mental

I have played at more than 80 B&M casinos. Couldn't I just cherry pick the casinos where I show a win for the year?

I am a lifetime winner at about one in five B&M casinos just based on play. After accounting for free slot play/cashback, I am a winner at about half of them. It is a rare B&M W/L statement that has any mention of FSP. Therefore, I am a certified lifetime loser at B&M casinos based on my W/L statements. I do report a lot of income to the IRS because I have monetized millions of dollars of FSP. Very many successful APs will not be able to show a W/L statement that proves that they win. I can show you my tax records, but why would you believe them.

Online is a bit different than B&M. Some casinos will show cumulative FSP or will correct your W/L record for FSP. Others just give the W/L attributed to game play and provide no record of FSP. Some online casinos will show a credit for FSP when it is issued and a debit when it is used to stake a real-money game. Others will not show a credit or debit for FSP in the log, but will log the winnings from play initiated with FSP. In that case, the log might show a series of hundreds of wins with no corresponding stake.

Online transaction logs are accurate to the penny, and there is no way to play without having your play logged to your the account you are using. This is different than B&M where many APs play as refusals, without a card, or with another players card in the game. They sometime strategically pull their card to hide wins.

If you give me all your login names and passwords, I am willing to check all of your online W/L records and vouch for you to the forum.

Finally, no matter what you did for security and anonymizing, I would be worried about doxxing myself but putting my financial records online. If I make a claim, you can decide for yourself if you believe it or not.
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But, there are many online casinos where one can make it appear as if they are winning or losing when in fact they are doing the exact opposite.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2023 at 9:24:13 PM permalink
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Let me ask you this Bob, have you, or has anyone ever contacted you regarding using learning or helping in regards to your system/method(other than myself)? I'm not talking about some simple math help, I think you understand what I'm asking if not, I will clarify. I have a feeling you won't answer that question openly and honestly without some spin because either...
A) you'll be lying, or B) they/you have.

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AxelWolf,
I can only assume that you're asking EvenBob to disclose the existence of private messages. At some point, an answer to your question violates the principle that private messages are supposed to be private.

Something just feels "off" to me about asking questions that should remain unanswered.
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November 16th, 2023 at 1:00:27 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: AxelWolf


Let me ask you this Bob, have you, or has anyone ever contacted you regarding using learning or helping in regards to your system/method(other than myself)? I'm not talking about some simple math help, I think you understand what I'm asking if not, I will clarify. I have a feeling you won't answer that question openly and honestly without some spin because either...
A) you'll be lying, or B) they/you have.

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AxelWolf,
I can only assume that you're asking EvenBob to disclose the existence of private messages. At some point, an answer to your question violates the principle that private messages are supposed to be private.

Something just feels "off" to me about asking questions that should remain unanswered.
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This sounds suspicious, it's as if you know something. It sounds more to me like you are suggesting he not answer this question on the grounds that he will incriminate himself. Interesting, very interesting. What are you guys sweeping under the rug? Sounds very scandalous to me.

Let's rediscuss what breaks the rules of private message disclosures.

It's pretty simple, you may not disclose what SOMEONE ELSE SAID in a private message.
I would guess that would also include something that you said to that person that would obviously infer what they saying or asking you.

However, if I were to send you a PM asking you to participate in my roulette scheme, and I sent you some classy PG sexy pictures of myself.
There would be nothing in the rules saying that I could not reveal the entire private message I sent to you.
I may not quote or infer what your reply was.

There's absolutely no reason someone can't say yes or no to my question. And if it never happened in the first place there's absolutely no reason he shouldn't answer no.

I might even be able to go back and find instances from Bob himself claiming he's been sent private messages.

I haven't seen many examples of people revealing that they had private messages with other members without giving details of what was in those private messages.


Of course, we might need some more clarification from Mike, however, I do believe one can reveal private messages that reveal certain types of solicitation.
For example, if someone sends me a PM regarding some type of, spam, con, scheme Etc, it's no longer covered under the private message protection rule.

I feel like we are in one of those courtroom TV shows/ movies where the attorney asks a question knowing there's going to be an objection, and of course, there is and the attorney withdraws the question because everyone knows the answer.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 16th, 2023 at 3:56:25 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Dieter

Quote: AxelWolf


Let me ask you this Bob, have you, or has anyone ever contacted you regarding using learning or helping in regards to your system/method(other than myself)? I'm not talking about some simple math help, I think you understand what I'm asking if not, I will clarify. I have a feeling you won't answer that question openly and honestly without some spin because either...
A) you'll be lying, or B) they/you have.

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(quote truncated)
AxelWolf,
I can only assume that you're asking EvenBob to disclose the existence of private messages. At some point, an answer to your question violates the principle that private messages are supposed to be private.

Something just feels "off" to me about asking questions that should remain unanswered.
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This sounds suspicious, it's as if you know something. It sounds more to me like you are suggesting he not answer this question on the grounds that he will incriminate himself. Interesting, very interesting. What are you guys sweeping under the rug? Sounds very scandalous to me.

Let's rediscuss what breaks the rules of private message disclosures.

It's pretty simple, you may not disclose what SOMEONE ELSE SAID in a private message.
I would guess that would also include something that you said to that person that would obviously infer what they saying or asking you.

However, if I were to send you a PM asking you to participate in my roulette scheme, and I sent you some classy PG sexy pictures of myself.
There would be nothing in the rules saying that I could not reveal the entire private message I sent to you.
I may not quote or infer what your reply was.

There's absolutely no reason someone can't say yes or no to my question. And if it never happened in the first place there's absolutely no reason he shouldn't answer no.

I might even be able to go back and find instances from Bob himself claiming he's been sent private messages.

I haven't seen many examples of people revealing that they had private messages with other members without giving details of what was in those private messages.


Of course, we might need some more clarification from Mike, however, I do believe one can reveal private messages that reveal certain types of solicitation.
For example, if someone sends me a PM regarding some type of, spam, con, scheme Etc, it's no longer covered under the private message protection rule.

I feel like we are in one of those courtroom TV shows/ movies where the attorney asks a question knowing there's going to be an objection, and of course, there is and the attorney withdraws the question because everyone knows the answer.
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My read is this:
You asked if anyone else asked a certain question.
If it was a public ask, you would likely know. You are digging for PM information.
Some replies might not break privacy.
Some answers might cross the line.

It sounds to me like you either want non-answers, or you're trying to bait EvenBob.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 16th, 2023 at 6:21:38 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I don't understand why some people here care what others are claiming. My assumption is that about 90% of the claims here are probably false and I could care less.

I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
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Any AP worth his salt is always looking for clues to AP methods that are legitimate and worth the time and effort. Suppose I claim you can make $2 in EV every day just for logging into a certain online casino and playing four spins. You should be asking yourself if this is plausible and worth your time. Part of this is evaluating my credibility. That will be based on this particular claim and on my previous claims.

When I was a B&M player, I was always looking at which games other known APs were playing. Some players were never knowingly playing -EV. Some players thought they were playing +EV, but I doubted their analytical abilities. I might still reevaluate the game more carefully and decide whether their was an edge there that I might have overlooked. Certain other players had the smarts to always know whether a game was +EV or -EV, but they would play -EV if there was no +EV game to play, sometimes at big stakes. I would barely give it any thought if I saw them playing a game that I never play.

Why wouldn't I try to figure out which forum member are straight shooters and which forum members are full of it?
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November 16th, 2023 at 7:16:36 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


Let me ask you this Bob, have you, or has anyone ever contacted you regarding using learning or helping in regards to your system/method(other than myself)?



Are you joking? All the time, both privately and publicly. There's a guy right now on another forum that's bugging me every other day about this. Why do you care.
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November 16th, 2023 at 7:51:26 AM permalink
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Let me ask you this Bob, have you, or has anyone ever contacted you regarding using learning or helping in regards to your system/method(other than myself)?



Are you joking? All the time, both privately and publicly. There's a guy right now on another forum that's bugging me every other day about this. Why do you care.
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Yeah, Axel, why do you care? You wouldn't know the guy anyway. He goes to another forum in Canada.
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November 16th, 2023 at 9:21:54 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

I don't understand why some people here care what others are claiming. My assumption is that about 90% of the claims here are probably false and I could care less.

I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
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Any AP worth his salt is always looking for clues to AP methods that are legitimate and worth the time and effort. Suppose I claim you can make $2 in EV every day just for logging into a certain online casino and playing four spins. You should be asking yourself if this is plausible and worth your time. Part of this is evaluating my credibility. That will be based on this particular claim and on my previous claims.

When I was a B&M player, I was always looking at which games other known APs were playing. Some players were never knowingly playing -EV. Some players thought they were playing +EV, but I doubted their analytical abilities. I might still reevaluate the game more carefully and decide whether their was an edge there that I might have overlooked. Certain other players had the smarts to always know whether a game was +EV or -EV, but they would play -EV if there was no +EV game to play, sometimes at big stakes. I would barely give it any thought if I saw them playing a game that I never play.

Why wouldn't I try to figure out which forum member are straight shooters and which forum members are full of it?
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This is so true and IMHO is just another example of what gives EB away as a wannabe AP.

He thinks he knows how AP's work. That they find one advantage and feel they are set for life and never need to evaluate what other AP's are doing. As he says, why should he care and he assumes most of the claims on here are BS anyway (meanwhile true AP's can glean from info which are most likely valid)

Both speaking for myself and as Mental points out other true AP's are always interested in the angle or advantage play of another AP if it's legit or are they BS etc.

EB doesn't have the mind of an AP but he sure wants to convince everyone and himself he does.
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November 16th, 2023 at 10:38:46 AM permalink
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This is so true and IMHO is just another example of what gives EB away as a wannabe AP.
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If winning every session I play online every time is not AP, then what the hell is. LOL if what you're saying is I'm not anal about it, then you'd be right. I don't care what anybody else does I only care what I do.
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November 16th, 2023 at 10:53:35 AM permalink
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This is so true and IMHO is just another example of what gives EB away as a wannabe AP.
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If winning every session I play online every time is not AP, then what the hell is. LOL if what you're saying is I'm not anal about it, then you'd be right. I don't care what anybody else does I only care what I do.
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I'm saying you aren't winning every session.

Not content with claiming 80% hit rate you now claim a 100% win rate.
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November 16th, 2023 at 10:53:37 AM permalink
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I don't understand why some people here care what others are claiming. My assumption is that about 90% of the claims here are probably false and I could care less.

I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
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After thinking more about what DRich wrote, I guess I might agree with him more than I thought. Once you separate the wheat from the chaff, there isn't much to be gained by worrying about the credibility of the chaff or engaging in pointless arguments with the chaff.
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November 16th, 2023 at 10:54:30 AM permalink
Guys, stop trying to turn this into yet another thread where everyone craps on EB as he tries and fails to defend his fake gambling system.
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November 16th, 2023 at 11:04:09 AM permalink
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Guys, stop trying to turn this into yet another thread where everyone craps on EB as he tries and fails to defend his fake gambling system.
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It's not a fake gambling system it's just a -EV gambling system. His claims surrounding his system are out in fantasy land.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 16th, 2023 at 11:06:08 AM permalink
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This is so true and IMHO is just another example of what gives EB away as a wannabe AP.
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If winning every session I play online every time is not AP, then what the hell is. LOL if what you're saying is I'm not anal about it, then you'd be right. I don't care what anybody else does I only care what I do.
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I'm saying you aren't winning every session.

Not content with claiming 80% hit rate you now claim a 100% win rate.
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Hit rates are different than session win rates.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 16th, 2023 at 11:31:11 AM permalink
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This is so true and IMHO is just another example of what gives EB away as a wannabe AP.
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If winning every session I play online every time is not AP, then what the hell is. LOL if what you're saying is I'm not anal about it, then you'd be right. I don't care what anybody else does I only care what I do.
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I'm saying you aren't winning every session.

Not content with claiming 80% hit rate you now claim a 100% win rate.
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Hit rates are different than session win rates.
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I understand that but nonetheless he is claiming 100% session win rate by guessing the next number by making random bets.

Regardless of claiming his bets are non-random. That's just word salad.

"I stand 5'3 but really I am 6'2 because instead of a standard measuring ruler I use a non-standard measuring ruler."

Just junk speak.
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November 16th, 2023 at 12:20:58 PM permalink
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I don't understand why some people here care what others are claiming. My assumption is that about 90% of the claims here are probably false and I could care less.

I hope MDawg, Evenbob and others really are doing what they claim but it has no effect on me so it doesn't really matter to me if it is true or not.
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It affects me because I'd ideally like to be gambling with the best edges I can find. I don't spend very much money on traditional entertainment sources. I do like to take that money I'd otherwise spend on other hobbies and spend it on a gambling bankroll. So far I've been lucky enough to make good bets and good times and were rewarded for it. Wins have paid for entire trips and then some. It helped pay a down payment on a house.

So, if someone has an edge that they're willing to share, it'd be nice to be able to verify it. If MDawg truly is lifetime up against casinos, it'd give some evidence to his claims and theorycrafters could investigate it further.

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However, if I were to send you a PM asking you to participate in my roulette scheme, and I sent you some classy PG sexy pictures of myself.

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Axelwolf starting an onlyfans? Sign me up, big dawg. ;)
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November 16th, 2023 at 12:29:03 PM permalink
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This is so true and IMHO is just another example of what gives EB away as a wannabe AP.
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If winning every session I play online every time is not AP, then what the hell is. LOL if what you're saying is I'm not anal about it, then you'd be right. I don't care what anybody else does I only care what I do.
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No one believes you, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince anyone.
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November 16th, 2023 at 1:14:20 PM permalink
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I understand that but nonetheless he is claiming 100% session win rate by guessing the next number
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Yeah, no. I don't bet the next number I bet the next 18 numbers, that's how many numbers are in an even chance bet. Do you people have any clue as to what I really do because you get it wrong constantly.
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November 16th, 2023 at 1:22:02 PM permalink
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I understand that but nonetheless he is claiming 100% session win rate by guessing the next number
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Yeah, no. I don't bet the next number I bet the next 18 numbers, that's how many numbers are in an even chance bet. Do you people have any clue as to what I really do because you get it wrong constantly.
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Yeah don't act stupid.

When someone bets 18 numbers only one wins. Duh! Everyone but you understood what I was saying.
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November 16th, 2023 at 2:21:44 PM permalink
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Then why did/do you comment on Mikki and other's claims about winning etc? You obviously care enough to comment on it.



I may be getting old, I can't even remember a Mikki on the forum.
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November 16th, 2023 at 2:28:51 PM permalink
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Then why did/do you comment on Mikki and other's claims about winning etc? You obviously care enough to comment on it.



I may be getting old, I can't even remember a Mikki on the forum.
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He isn't. They are referring to a thread about a guy making ridiculous claims about winning. I think on YouTube
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November 16th, 2023 at 2:30:27 PM permalink
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Why is it important to you that you verify it. I don't get it. The casino knows you did it, you know you did it, what does it matter if anybody else see's the verification.



There are lots of times when I'm very glad the casino doesn't know what I've been betting.
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November 16th, 2023 at 2:31:14 PM permalink
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Then why did/do you comment on Mikki and other's claims about winning etc? You obviously care enough to comment on it.



I may be getting old, I can't even remember a Mikki on the forum.
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Its not a user. There is a guy making the rounds on gambling podcasts making wild claims that goes by the name Mikki Mase.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36814-mikki-beating-baccarat/
He claims to have figured out how to beat bacc and was subsequently backed off at many if not all Vegas properties.
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November 16th, 2023 at 5:39:09 PM permalink
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Yeah don't act stupid.

When someone bets 18 numbers only one wins. Duh! Everyone but you understood what I was saying.
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You stated that I guess the next number, and I don't guess the next number I guess the next 18 numbers. Get it right. When I bet red I'm betting on the 18 red numbers.
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November 16th, 2023 at 7:19:49 PM permalink
What a ridiculous thing to argue over.
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November 16th, 2023 at 8:06:39 PM permalink
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Yeah don't act stupid.

When someone bets 18 numbers only one wins. Duh! Everyone but you understood what I was saying.
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You stated that I guess the next number, and I don't guess the next number I guess the next 18 numbers. Get it right. When I bet red I'm betting on the 18 red numbers.
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No you are betting that ONE of the 18 red numbers will come up.

Unless you are making the extraordinary claim that your system is to have 18 winning numbers appear per spin.
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November 16th, 2023 at 8:17:07 PM permalink
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No you are betting that ONE of the 18 red numbers will come up.

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If I were betting on a single number like you said in your original post I'll be getting paid 35 to 1 and I'm only getting paid even money. Whichever red number wins it represents all the red numbers.
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November 16th, 2023 at 8:59:12 PM permalink
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No you are betting that ONE of the 18 red numbers will come up.

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If I were betting on a single number like you said in your original post I'll be getting paid 35 to 1 and I'm only getting paid even money. Whichever red number wins it represents all the red numbers.
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You don't understand the math again.

You are making 18 individual bets as a single conglomerate.

If you were to bet all 18 red numbers individually (splitting your wager on red 18 ways) you would win exactly the same amount by winning on ONE number while losing on the other 17.

Which is literally what anyone does when betting on red or black.

Only ONE number wins st roulette.

You could bet all 38 numbers and still only ONE number wins.
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November 17th, 2023 at 9:05:01 AM permalink
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Unless you are making the extraordinary claim that your system is to have 18 winning numbers appear per spin.
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God, don't give him any more ideas...
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November 17th, 2023 at 9:17:30 AM permalink
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Unless you are making the extraordinary claim that your system is to have 18 winning numbers appear per spin.
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Nothing extraordinary about it. When you bet an even chance like odd/even, and odd wins that means all the odd numbers won. Not just the one the ball fell in because you bet on all the odd numbers and all the odd numbers win for you. Duh and duh again..
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November 17th, 2023 at 9:22:49 AM permalink
Why don't you two start a "DarkOz vs. EvenBob" thread to argue in and stop hijacking the rest of the forum?
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November 17th, 2023 at 9:35:01 AM permalink
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Unless you are making the extraordinary claim that your system is to have 18 winning numbers appear per spin.
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Nothing extraordinary about it. When you bet an even chance like odd/even, and odd wins that means all the odd numbers won. Not just the one the ball fell in because you bet on all the odd numbers and all the odd numbers win for you. Duh and duh again..
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Then just bet on all 36 numbers (ignore the zeroes like you prefer) make a red and black wager simultaneously

That way all the numbers work for you, all the numbers win for you, you win with about 80% win rate (only lose on zeroes but hey you said you ignore them

I would even agree that with that system you always pick the winning number.

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