Formula One threatens to block restaurant race views unless they pay $$$ fees
July 23rd, 2023 at 4:19:48 PM
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Formula One threatens to block Las Vegas clubs’ race views unless they pay millions in fees
https://nypost.com/2023/07/23/f1-threatens-to-block-las-vegas-clubs-race-views-unless-they-pay-millions-sources
- pay $1,500 per head for licensing rights
- For a restaurant or club with 1,500 seats, the tab would soar to a whopping $2.25 million — regardless of how many guests can catch views from their roof decks, terraces and dining areas.
- If clubs and restaurants refuse to pony up, sales reps for F1 — owned by billionaire John Malone’s Liberty Media — have warned that obstructions like barricades, stands and light stanchions could end up ruining the race for their customers, according to a source.
- threatened that lights will be shined toward the viewing areas of unlicensed venues, blinding guests trying to get a peek at the nighttime race.
ie: rooftop viewing
I can see people getting militant and shooting the lights
Formula One threatens to block Las Vegas clubs’ race views unless they pay millions in fees
https://nypost.com/2023/07/23/f1-threatens-to-block-las-vegas-clubs-race-views-unless-they-pay-millions-sources
- pay $1,500 per head for licensing rights
- For a restaurant or club with 1,500 seats, the tab would soar to a whopping $2.25 million — regardless of how many guests can catch views from their roof decks, terraces and dining areas.
- If clubs and restaurants refuse to pony up, sales reps for F1 — owned by billionaire John Malone’s Liberty Media — have warned that obstructions like barricades, stands and light stanchions could end up ruining the race for their customers, according to a source.
- threatened that lights will be shined toward the viewing areas of unlicensed venues, blinding guests trying to get a peek at the nighttime race.
ie: rooftop viewing
I can see people getting militant and shooting the lights
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July 23rd, 2023 at 5:41:36 PM
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They should tell Formula One to drop dead. Every now and then these sports orgs pull this nonsense. Until people tune out it will not stop.
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July 23rd, 2023 at 7:28:16 PM
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Get about 50 fog machines and start spewing fog just before the race starts. Get some wind machines to blow it towards the track.
Stalemate.
They wouldn't be able to start the race with part of the track obscured.
Or I guess it's the city street, grand prix style racing.
Stalemate.
They wouldn't be able to start the race with part of the track obscured.
Or I guess it's the city street, grand prix style racing.
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July 23rd, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM
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Selling 99c sunglasses at $300+ AP move?Quote: 100xOdds
- threatened that lights will be shined toward the viewing areas of unlicensed venues, blinding guests trying to get a peek at the nighttime race.
ie: rooftop viewing
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July 23rd, 2023 at 7:49:22 PM
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Seems like this is something that should have been worked out before you actually schedule the race.
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July 23rd, 2023 at 9:10:37 PM
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I've been a "gearhead" for decades and used to follow F-1, Indy and CART regularly, but not any more.
The races are pretty boring, frankly, with little passing.
How I miss the duels of Prost and Senna.
I watched a bit of F-1 on the tube this season and it hasn't gotten any more interesting, still mostly "follow the leader."
Also, I'm no pavement expert but if the plan is to resurface the streets which make up the "track" within two weeks before the race, wouldn't they still be too fresh and likely to shred and come apart?
The races are pretty boring, frankly, with little passing.
How I miss the duels of Prost and Senna.
I watched a bit of F-1 on the tube this season and it hasn't gotten any more interesting, still mostly "follow the leader."
Also, I'm no pavement expert but if the plan is to resurface the streets which make up the "track" within two weeks before the race, wouldn't they still be too fresh and likely to shred and come apart?
"What, me worry?"
July 24th, 2023 at 12:05:15 PM
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This is something that the city should have made clear to the race organizers before a deal was agreed to. If the race organizers build a structure to block a view I can see that as ‘reasonable’. If they intentionally beam lights into my hotel room or restaurant table for the sole purpose of blinding me the city has to prevent that.
I can tell you the result by the way. Max Verstappen takes the lead from the pole and is never passed. Like most F-1 races.
I can tell you the result by the way. Max Verstappen takes the lead from the pole and is never passed. Like most F-1 races.
July 24th, 2023 at 12:10:53 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfSelling 99c sunglasses at $300+ AP move?Quote: 100xOdds
- threatened that lights will be shined toward the viewing areas of unlicensed venues, blinding guests trying to get a peek at the nighttime race.
ie: rooftop viewing
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Or sell big mirrors
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August 5th, 2023 at 11:02:45 AM
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"A Liberty spokeswoman did not return calls, and nor did Renee Wilm."
- Surprise, surprise.
Greed knows no bounds. Did the F1 owner go to the same seminar the NFL owners attend ?
- Surprise, surprise.
Greed knows no bounds. Did the F1 owner go to the same seminar the NFL owners attend ?
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
November 9th, 2023 at 5:16:15 AM
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How did they settle the F1 vs hotel viewing fee dispute?
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November 9th, 2023 at 7:21:59 PM
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Ticket prices are plunging ahead of Formula 1’s next race set on the Las Vegas Strip:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/09/business/las-vegas-f1-ticket-prices/index.html#:~:text=Tickets%20were%20priced%20at%20roughly,60%25%20from%20%24825%20to%20%24342.
According to TickPick, they have plunged 35% in the past month for the Saturday race, with the average “get-in” price dropping from $1,645 to $1,060 for grandstand seats. Tickets were priced at roughly $2,000 a year ago for the Las Vegas race.
Lower prices are also hitting hotels rooms, too. The average price is hovering around $283 per night, according to Kayak data given to CNN. That’s fallen about 24% from what prices were averaging just a month ago.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/09/business/las-vegas-f1-ticket-prices/index.html#:~:text=Tickets%20were%20priced%20at%20roughly,60%25%20from%20%24825%20to%20%24342.
According to TickPick, they have plunged 35% in the past month for the Saturday race, with the average “get-in” price dropping from $1,645 to $1,060 for grandstand seats. Tickets were priced at roughly $2,000 a year ago for the Las Vegas race.
Lower prices are also hitting hotels rooms, too. The average price is hovering around $283 per night, according to Kayak data given to CNN. That’s fallen about 24% from what prices were averaging just a month ago.
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November 10th, 2023 at 12:17:29 AM
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What the F-1 is Going on With the Vegas Strip?! They Took the Trees...and the Tunnel Dwellers
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November 10th, 2023 at 6:17:35 AM
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Quote: 100xOddsTicket prices are plunging ahead of Formula 1’s next race set on the Las Vegas Strip:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/09/business/las-vegas-f1-ticket-prices/index.html#:~:text=Tickets%20were%20priced%20at%20roughly,60%25%20from%20%24825%20to%20%24342.
According to TickPick, they have plunged 35% in the past month for the Saturday race, with the average “get-in” price dropping from $1,645 to $1,060 for grandstand seats. Tickets were priced at roughly $2,000 a year ago for the Las Vegas race.
Lower prices are also hitting hotels rooms, too. The average price is hovering around $283 per night, according to Kayak data given to CNN. That’s fallen about 24% from what prices were averaging just a month ago.
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I just looked this up and F1 ticket prices are all over the map, depending on all sorts of factors. They can be as "low" as a few hundred dollars or over $10,000. Since this is the very first F1 race in Vegas, they're probably not 100% sure what the exact market price would be. It makes sense they would have to constantly adjust the price for supply and demand issues. Better to start off with a high price and adjust downwards. Next year's prices will probably be a lot more stable.
November 10th, 2023 at 7:56:27 AM
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I'd be curious about the financials of the race once all is said and done. With all the disruption to the Strip, the fees F1 is charging the casinos and local businesses, coupled now with falling ticket and room prices, will anybody net a profit from this venture (aside from F1, that is)? Will the Strip properties show a better November this year over last?
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November 10th, 2023 at 9:58:16 AM
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Quote: TigerWuI just looked this up and F1 ticket prices are all over the map, depending on all sorts of factors. They can be as "low" as a few hundred dollars or over $10,000. Since this is the very first F1 race in Vegas, they're probably not 100% sure what the exact market price would be. It makes sense they would have to constantly adjust the price for supply and demand issues. Better to start off with a high price and adjust downwards. Next year's prices will probably be a lot more stable.
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Am I the only one who remembers when F1 ran in the parking lot at Ceasar's Palace? And yes, it was F1, not USAC, CART, or IndyCar.
November 10th, 2023 at 11:16:05 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: TigerWuI just looked this up and F1 ticket prices are all over the map, depending on all sorts of factors. They can be as "low" as a few hundred dollars or over $10,000. Since this is the very first F1 race in Vegas, they're probably not 100% sure what the exact market price would be. It makes sense they would have to constantly adjust the price for supply and demand issues. Better to start off with a high price and adjust downwards. Next year's prices will probably be a lot more stable.
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Am I the only one who remembers when F1 ran in the parking lot at Ceasar's Palace? And yes, it was F1, not USAC, CART, or IndyCar.
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1982 I believe
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November 10th, 2023 at 11:30:20 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: ThatDonGuyQuote: TigerWuI just looked this up and F1 ticket prices are all over the map, depending on all sorts of factors. They can be as "low" as a few hundred dollars or over $10,000. Since this is the very first F1 race in Vegas, they're probably not 100% sure what the exact market price would be. It makes sense they would have to constantly adjust the price for supply and demand issues. Better to start off with a high price and adjust downwards. Next year's prices will probably be a lot more stable.
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Am I the only one who remembers when F1 ran in the parking lot at Ceasar's Palace? And yes, it was F1, not USAC, CART, or IndyCar.
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1982 I believe
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1981 and 1982 were F1; it turned out CART did race there as well, but in 1983 and 1984.
And it looks like rain might be in the forecast for race weekend.
November 10th, 2023 at 12:39:10 PM
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I can still get a free room anywhere during F1 weekend. One with a view, I'm not sure, reason being that didn't plan to be here past next week and didn't ask in advance.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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November 10th, 2023 at 1:53:20 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: TigerWuI just looked this up and F1 ticket prices are all over the map, depending on all sorts of factors. They can be as "low" as a few hundred dollars or over $10,000. Since this is the very first F1 race in Vegas, they're probably not 100% sure what the exact market price would be. It makes sense they would have to constantly adjust the price for supply and demand issues. Better to start off with a high price and adjust downwards. Next year's prices will probably be a lot more stable.
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Am I the only one who remembers when F1 ran in the parking lot at Ceasar's Palace? And yes, it was F1, not USAC, CART, or IndyCar.
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Nope, I remember. I think it is on YouTube.
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November 10th, 2023 at 7:15:36 PM
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The main race starts at 10 PM on Saturday. That is 1 AM on the East Coast. The qualifying race is at midnight the day before.
F1 tires are not made for cold weather and may not heat up enough to handle the tight turns.
F1 tires are not made for cold weather and may not heat up enough to handle the tight turns.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:51:08 AM
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Oh, but there is such a potential for an epic failure here.
F1 is starting the race at 10PM at night so that the early risers in Europe can watch it at 6AM: this is bad timing and a bad fit for both continents; I suspect many in Europe will sleep in, and in sin city the crowd will be drunk as skunks by ten at night, given the festive environment.
I can't wait to see what happens when someone, be it a crazy tunnel dweller or a pimp high on coke, tosses an object, say a glass bottle, over the fence onto the Strip "race track" while the cars are speeding by at over 200 mph: hello, foreseeable carnage.
And NINE MORE YEARS after this likely debacle?
What were they thinking?
F1 is starting the race at 10PM at night so that the early risers in Europe can watch it at 6AM: this is bad timing and a bad fit for both continents; I suspect many in Europe will sleep in, and in sin city the crowd will be drunk as skunks by ten at night, given the festive environment.
I can't wait to see what happens when someone, be it a crazy tunnel dweller or a pimp high on coke, tosses an object, say a glass bottle, over the fence onto the Strip "race track" while the cars are speeding by at over 200 mph: hello, foreseeable carnage.
And NINE MORE YEARS after this likely debacle?
What were they thinking?
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"What, me worry?"
November 17th, 2023 at 11:23:25 AM
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Day one went as I suspected: a MAJOR, epic fail.
What, for eighty million bucks the clowns resurfacing the streets couldn't properly affix a metal access cover in place?
This caused damage less than ten minutes into practice which basically knocked three race cars out of the race and caused F1 and its enablers in sin city to look like fools.
F1 debacle
While I plan to watch the race on TV this Saturday night, assuming some other idiotic lapse doesn't cause it to be cancelled, I do not expect an "interesting" race in the traditional sense; oh it might be "interesting" to watch the racer's slipping and sliding meririly along, crashing into barriers and each other, but I'd rather watch crisp passing and good competition.
It doesn't look like that will happen, given the cold temperatures, the new, "virgin track" without any rubber already adhered on it, and lack of familiarity by the racers and support crew with the venue.
But even a long shot bet can some times win...I do hope for a "good" race.
What, for eighty million bucks the clowns resurfacing the streets couldn't properly affix a metal access cover in place?
This caused damage less than ten minutes into practice which basically knocked three race cars out of the race and caused F1 and its enablers in sin city to look like fools.
F1 debacle
While I plan to watch the race on TV this Saturday night, assuming some other idiotic lapse doesn't cause it to be cancelled, I do not expect an "interesting" race in the traditional sense; oh it might be "interesting" to watch the racer's slipping and sliding meririly along, crashing into barriers and each other, but I'd rather watch crisp passing and good competition.
It doesn't look like that will happen, given the cold temperatures, the new, "virgin track" without any rubber already adhered on it, and lack of familiarity by the racers and support crew with the venue.
But even a long shot bet can some times win...I do hope for a "good" race.
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"What, me worry?"
November 17th, 2023 at 11:28:06 AM
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Where on TV or YouTube do I watch the races?
November 17th, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM
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Quote: ChumpChangeWhere on TV or YouTube do I watch the races?link to original post
Outside of sin city I believe all events from Las Vegas will air on the ESPN app, ESPN+ and ESPN2.
No idea if it is blacked out for the locals.
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"What, me worry?"
November 17th, 2023 at 12:11:36 PM
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FORMULA 1 Las Vegas was a DISASTER - Norma Geli
I've had to disable my AdBlock for YouTube videos this month so I'm getting rudely interrupted by ads and then quickly hitting the Skip Ad button after 5 seconds.
There's a photo in this video of the manhole that got blown out in this practice that stopped everything race related. Parties were abounding anyway. Grandstand seats, pick a grandstand, any grandstand, lol. The Sphere is across the street!
I've had to disable my AdBlock for YouTube videos this month so I'm getting rudely interrupted by ads and then quickly hitting the Skip Ad button after 5 seconds.
There's a photo in this video of the manhole that got blown out in this practice that stopped everything race related. Parties were abounding anyway. Grandstand seats, pick a grandstand, any grandstand, lol. The Sphere is across the street!
November 17th, 2023 at 12:13:39 PM
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Oh, look, some new thing is happening and just as predicted half the people on the internet suddenly become subject matter experts and immediately proclaim it to be an epic disaster and a major failure. What are the odds.
See also: The MSG Sphere and everything Disney does.
I have ESPN+ and it's showing that it will be aired live there. I'm assuming that means regular ESPN will be airing it, too.
See also: The MSG Sphere and everything Disney does.
Quote: ChumpChangeWhere on TV or YouTube do I watch the races?
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I have ESPN+ and it's showing that it will be aired live there. I'm assuming that means regular ESPN will be airing it, too.
November 17th, 2023 at 12:18:25 PM
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I was told this morning F1 blocked views in front of the Casino Royale because they didn't pay whatever fees they were asking.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 17th, 2023 at 12:40:21 PM
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I never watch ESPN, so I'm not sure what channels they are. But my cable company is discontinuing cable boxes in favor of Xumo Play streaming boxes with a remote. Disney+ & Paramount+ are supposed to be streaming apps included with my current TV channels, but some of those channels have been blocked hence we need streaming apps now. ESPN+ is being bundled with Disney+ & Hulu but I don't know how that works with my cable company, or when, it's all new and in progress of switching over.
I did find ESPN2 on channel 301 earlier. Now I have to find regular ESPN, hmm. I guess that'd be channel 300. So they haven't been blocked out as of now.
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ESPN 1 & 2 only had basketball games on so I downloaded ESPN+ to my Roku 3 and miraculously bypassed logging in or signing up or activating my TV screen for ESPN+ and I scrolled to ESPN 3 and the F1 Las Vegas Practice 3 (ESP) starts tonight at 11:25 pm ET. I don't see an ESPN 3 channel in my cable bill channel lineup anywhere, like it doesn't exist except on the app. I can't say this app will work for me later on tonight but at least I found out where I should be looking.
Ah, I tried to watch something live and it told me to activate online to login with a TV provider. I don't know if that will work.
I tried the activation code and got the last digit wrong and typed in a 0 instead of an O, so I tried again and I got a pop-up menu of cable companies to choose from. I picked mine, my login credentials sort of popped up, there was a buffer circle, then my TV was activated and now I'm good with ESPN+.
Watching the tip-off to the Kings vs Spurs game and the ball is about to go up in the air and then comes all these streaming ads. This is not right, at all. Now it says "Your event has ended, thanks for watching." What? I'm only supposed to watch the warmups? NBA Layup Lines is what is says. I had to switch from ESPN 3 to ESPN 1 to pick up the game already in progress by several minutes and points. The Kings won 129 to 120. Seems a bit like theater to keep the game even. The Kings were losing bad early in the first quarter but ended up near even at the end of the first quarter. I'm sure the Kings could have added 20 or 30 more points more to their final score but I wasn't paying close attention to the game. The Spurs' undefeated streak was just ended.
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I tuned in to ESPN 3 for the race programming and it's in a foreign language, maybe Spanish, maybe European. I'm seeing some subtitles of racer's bios in English. This same program will replay at 2:55 am ET on ESPN 1. They've got aerial shots, shots from a pit, a clock counting down 1 hour, and freakin' darkness of night, but the roads look lit. Some of these cars are sparking badly with the road, kind of expect one of them to explode and flip up into the air a few car lengths before landing. Lap times are 1:40. Top speed so far is 212 mph. Maybe they'll jack up their springs 3 or 4 inches next time so they don't hit the road so much. Some of these drivers are missing their turns and causing traffic hazards. It's 60°F outside with ~55% humidity, and 64°F on the track. You can see some of the driver cams that include the steering wheels with their digital displays showing which gear they're in and their RPM situation. They have 8 gears and can go up to 15,000 RPM. They typically have to slow down to 3rd gear and under 60 mph to make the sharp turns. Fastest lap down to 1:34.
I wasn't looking but there was less than 5 minutes left on the clock and a car grazed a wall and the rear tire fell off and went rolling down the track. The red flag came out and a notice came out that said racing would not be resumed. Soft tyres win the Top 15 results leaderboard.
I did find ESPN2 on channel 301 earlier. Now I have to find regular ESPN, hmm. I guess that'd be channel 300. So they haven't been blocked out as of now.
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ESPN 1 & 2 only had basketball games on so I downloaded ESPN+ to my Roku 3 and miraculously bypassed logging in or signing up or activating my TV screen for ESPN+ and I scrolled to ESPN 3 and the F1 Las Vegas Practice 3 (ESP) starts tonight at 11:25 pm ET. I don't see an ESPN 3 channel in my cable bill channel lineup anywhere, like it doesn't exist except on the app. I can't say this app will work for me later on tonight but at least I found out where I should be looking.
Ah, I tried to watch something live and it told me to activate online to login with a TV provider. I don't know if that will work.
I tried the activation code and got the last digit wrong and typed in a 0 instead of an O, so I tried again and I got a pop-up menu of cable companies to choose from. I picked mine, my login credentials sort of popped up, there was a buffer circle, then my TV was activated and now I'm good with ESPN+.
Watching the tip-off to the Kings vs Spurs game and the ball is about to go up in the air and then comes all these streaming ads. This is not right, at all. Now it says "Your event has ended, thanks for watching." What? I'm only supposed to watch the warmups? NBA Layup Lines is what is says. I had to switch from ESPN 3 to ESPN 1 to pick up the game already in progress by several minutes and points. The Kings won 129 to 120. Seems a bit like theater to keep the game even. The Kings were losing bad early in the first quarter but ended up near even at the end of the first quarter. I'm sure the Kings could have added 20 or 30 more points more to their final score but I wasn't paying close attention to the game. The Spurs' undefeated streak was just ended.
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I tuned in to ESPN 3 for the race programming and it's in a foreign language, maybe Spanish, maybe European. I'm seeing some subtitles of racer's bios in English. This same program will replay at 2:55 am ET on ESPN 1. They've got aerial shots, shots from a pit, a clock counting down 1 hour, and freakin' darkness of night, but the roads look lit. Some of these cars are sparking badly with the road, kind of expect one of them to explode and flip up into the air a few car lengths before landing. Lap times are 1:40. Top speed so far is 212 mph. Maybe they'll jack up their springs 3 or 4 inches next time so they don't hit the road so much. Some of these drivers are missing their turns and causing traffic hazards. It's 60°F outside with ~55% humidity, and 64°F on the track. You can see some of the driver cams that include the steering wheels with their digital displays showing which gear they're in and their RPM situation. They have 8 gears and can go up to 15,000 RPM. They typically have to slow down to 3rd gear and under 60 mph to make the sharp turns. Fastest lap down to 1:34.
I wasn't looking but there was less than 5 minutes left on the clock and a car grazed a wall and the rear tire fell off and went rolling down the track. The red flag came out and a notice came out that said racing would not be resumed. Soft tyres win the Top 15 results leaderboard.
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November 17th, 2023 at 1:04:49 PM
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Quote: WizardI was told this morning F1 blocked views in front of the Casino Royale because they didn't pay whatever fees they were asking.
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Sounds almost as bad as a casino near me that papers over the windows when there is an act outside.
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November 17th, 2023 at 2:01:02 PM
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Quote: ChumpChangeI never watch ESPN, so I'm not sure what channels they are. But my cable company is discontinuing cable boxes in favor of Xumo Play streaming boxes with a remote. Disney+ & Paramount+ are supposed to be streaming apps included with my current TV channels, but some of those channels have been blocked hence we need streaming apps now. ESPN+ is being bundled with Disney+ & Hulu but I don't know how that works with my cable company, or when, it's all new and in progress of switching over.
I did find ESPN2 on channel 301 earlier. Now I have to find regular ESPN, hmm. I guess that'd be channel 300. So they haven't been blocked out as of now.
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There are several Hulu package deals. Not all include ESPN+.
I can't remember watching anything on ESPN+ since I got it, but I'm an outlier.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:41:58 PM
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Quote: TigerWuOh, look, some new thing is happening and just as predicted half the people on the internet suddenly become subject matter experts and immediately proclaim it to be an epic disaster and a major failure.
C'mon man...the death knell pealed when the bright brains behind F1, the whiz kids who designed and built the track, just realized THIS WEEK that the temperature at night in sin city gets too cold for the tires and track to heat up to necessary temperature.
More than a big "OOPS," that lapse is inexcusable.
That standing alone will make for a less than normal F1 race as the cars will not have the grip they need to corner as usual, nor to ability to reach the high racing speeds they are designed for.
Sure, the race will happen and it might look somewhat interesting to the untrained eye, but those who know will shake their heads, going "WTF?"
"What, me worry?"
November 17th, 2023 at 2:49:43 PM
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They could lower the speed limits 25 mph.
November 17th, 2023 at 6:23:37 PM
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C'mon man...the death knell pealed when the bright brains behind F1, the whiz kids who designed and built the track, just realized THIS WEEK that the temperature at night in sin city gets too cold for the tires and track to heat up to necessary temperature.
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That's a bit of an exaggeration....
"While the Formula 1 organization did not factor in the possibility of cold weather initially, the series became aware of the concern at some point in the past two years. The same cannot be said for some members of the Formula 1 paddock; Jalopnik's Elizabeth Blackstock says that 'a handful of folks' affiliated with the series were concerned about heat at the race as recently as last month."
Source
November 17th, 2023 at 11:33:53 PM
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Early reports are not good. Practices were canceled after a problem with manhole covers, and thousands of fans were not permitted in. No refunds are expected.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
November 17th, 2023 at 11:50:01 PM
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I recently viewed a video of comments the drivers made after the first practice.
Of course they have to measure their words carefully, but the consensus seemed to be that the track was very, very slippery, very fast (very long straightaway), and the tires were problematical.
Most tried to sound cautiously optimistic.
Let's hope for a good race.
Of course they have to measure their words carefully, but the consensus seemed to be that the track was very, very slippery, very fast (very long straightaway), and the tires were problematical.
Most tried to sound cautiously optimistic.
Let's hope for a good race.
"What, me worry?"
November 18th, 2023 at 2:56:06 AM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: MrV
C'mon man...the death knell pealed when the bright brains behind F1, the whiz kids who designed and built the track, just realized THIS WEEK that the temperature at night in sin city gets too cold for the tires and track to heat up to necessary temperature.
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That's a bit of an exaggeration....
"While the Formula 1 organization did not factor in the possibility of cold weather initially, the series became aware of the concern at some point in the past two years. The same cannot be said for some members of the Formula 1 paddock; Jalopnik's Elizabeth Blackstock says that 'a handful of folks' affiliated with the series were concerned about heat at the race as recently as last month."
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Sounds like a typical management meeting where the boss has an idea and does not want to hear reasons it will not work as he thinks it will. Staff is so afraid of the top guy that they just go along with things. How many of us have seen it happen?
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
November 18th, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM
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Quote: MrVI recently viewed a video of comments the drivers made after the first practice.
Video Link: Formula One Management disabled posting the video to sites like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iA-R1k_Tzw
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November 18th, 2023 at 12:01:53 PM
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Track too cold? Bah, just set it on fire before the race. Best ratings ever.
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November 18th, 2023 at 2:47:11 PM
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Quote:The Formula One Las Vegas Grand Prix has been hit with a class-action lawsuit following a problematic practice session. The session, marred by delays due to a loose water valve cover, led to significant damage to multiple F1 cars and ultimately, fan dissatisfaction.
A class-action lawsuit was filed against the Formula One Las Vegas Grand Prix, citing issues during Thursday's practice session that caused significant delays and fan inconvenience.
The incident, which occurred just minutes into the practice, involved a loose water valve cover damaging multiple F1 cars, including that of Ferrari driver Carlos Sainz Jr. This led to a lengthy delay of over two hours.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
November 18th, 2023 at 3:22:55 PM
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People who paid just for the one practice day were given a $200 merchandise credit, which isn't enough to buy a commemorative hoodie. Some sat around until 1:30 AM before being ejected before practice resumed.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
November 18th, 2023 at 4:17:41 PM
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Why won't F1 refund the ticket money?
The owner is a billionaire, the cheap SOB can afford it.
He's making enemies, not fans.
The owner is a billionaire, the cheap SOB can afford it.
He's making enemies, not fans.
"What, me worry?"
November 18th, 2023 at 5:06:48 PM
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The person I gave my tickets to for Thursday night said saw the 830pm practice (for about 10 minutes) and then was allowed to hang in the seats after midnight while they served the free food and beverage. Said for a moment the tickets were showing as invalid but then worked fine. However I believe that by the time the second practice started they had cleared everyone out.
F1 Las Vegas Grand Prix hit with class action lawsuit
F1 Las Vegas Grand Prix hit with class action lawsuit
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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November 18th, 2023 at 6:28:36 PM
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I was nowhere near Las Vegas during this c******f****k. Was that strategically planned? We'll never know.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 18th, 2023 at 8:53:47 PM
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Grand Prix starts at 1 am ET on Sunday. I'm watching ESPN 1 on the ESPN app. ESPN+ wants $10.99/month to watch so my cable company is not comping me that as of yet. It could be several months for the switchover to happen, but some apps will have to be updated, some as soon as next month. There's a pre-show on now. They mentioned about 40 water valves at street level were pulled so there won't be a repeat of minute 9 of the first night. It took them several hours of working all night to fill the holes in with asphalt. Tonight's show is in English and there's Sky Sports microphones in sight. Piff the Magic Dragon is doing card tricks with a couple of the drivers.
Donny Osmond singing the opening theme song sounded so Wayne Newton.
Major accident on lap 4. Actual safety car comes out and laggards can catch up. 50 lap race.
Yellow flag and safety car out on lap 27. Debris on the road from a fender cruncher.
2 of the fastest drivers have 5 second penalties so far.
The Sphere came up with the checkered flag but it was Justin Bieber who was the official checkered flag waver.
Seems like all these racers know each other from somewhere else, maybe many other races.
Max Verstappen wins. I don't know what happened to his 5 second penalty. It's his 53rd victory. Time was 1 hr 29 min.
After that Top 3 podium celebration I'm reminded a new Hunger Games movie comes out soon and I only just saw the first one for the first time a couple of days ago. I've got 10 years of Hunger Games movies to catch up on.
Donny Osmond singing the opening theme song sounded so Wayne Newton.
Major accident on lap 4. Actual safety car comes out and laggards can catch up. 50 lap race.
Yellow flag and safety car out on lap 27. Debris on the road from a fender cruncher.
2 of the fastest drivers have 5 second penalties so far.
The Sphere came up with the checkered flag but it was Justin Bieber who was the official checkered flag waver.
Seems like all these racers know each other from somewhere else, maybe many other races.
Max Verstappen wins. I don't know what happened to his 5 second penalty. It's his 53rd victory. Time was 1 hr 29 min.
After that Top 3 podium celebration I'm reminded a new Hunger Games movie comes out soon and I only just saw the first one for the first time a couple of days ago. I've got 10 years of Hunger Games movies to catch up on.
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November 19th, 2023 at 5:02:31 AM
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Quote: ChumpChangeI don't know what happened to his 5 second penalty.
He served it on his first pit stop.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
November 19th, 2023 at 6:57:53 AM
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My wife and I watched the FI broadcast on ESPN almost by accident - we were done with college football and saw the broadcast was on so decided to take a peek. We stayed and watched the entire broadcast. I know little about motor racing -so race tires need to be hot to increase traction? The car that hit the pop-up cover during practice sustained two million dollars worth of damage? Wow, what an expensive sport.
I was impressed (kind of) with the pre-race glitterati: Shaq, Brad Pitt, Paris Hilton, Danica Patrick in a gown?, yadda yadda.
The race looked eerily like a video game. The best views were from the cameras in the cars - a viewpoint which showed nothing of the iconic Vegas landmarks they were racing by.
I was surprised how slow the racecars were going went they went around sharp corners. And impressed by how much money was invested in this event. This event made me think of a billionaire who spends a fortune on a top-tier glamorous hooker and gets four minutes of the same-old same-old whoopee.
I was impressed (kind of) with the pre-race glitterati: Shaq, Brad Pitt, Paris Hilton, Danica Patrick in a gown?, yadda yadda.
The race looked eerily like a video game. The best views were from the cameras in the cars - a viewpoint which showed nothing of the iconic Vegas landmarks they were racing by.
I was surprised how slow the racecars were going went they went around sharp corners. And impressed by how much money was invested in this event. This event made me think of a billionaire who spends a fortune on a top-tier glamorous hooker and gets four minutes of the same-old same-old whoopee.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
November 19th, 2023 at 8:24:45 AM
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I'm mainly reading favorable reviews of the race. I'd have no interest in it except for the disruption of the strip. They should move it back a few weeks as the period between Thanksgiving and Christmas is traditionally slow.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
November 19th, 2023 at 9:24:30 AM
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Quote: ChumpChangeFORMULA 1 Las Vegas was a DISASTER - Norma Geli
I've had to disable my AdBlock for YouTube videos this month so I'm getting rudely interrupted by ads and then quickly hitting the Skip Ad button after 5 seconds.
There's a photo in this video of the manhole that got blown out in this practice that stopped everything race related. Parties were abounding anyway. Grandstand seats, pick a grandstand, any grandstand, lol. The Sphere is across the street!
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pretty sure that girl just got out of bed and didnt care to put on a shirt
November 19th, 2023 at 11:02:13 AM
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There's Watkins Glen near me and they had a history of Grand Prix races and I tried to refresh my memory a little last night watching YT videos. Racers were losing their life seems every year in the early 70's there. Safety was not the issue, but speed was. Going 180 mph on city streets or on a race track was what people were there for. Actually they were there to party. So I ran across this podcast where a certain part of the Watkins Glen area known as the Bog became a party central for about 10,000 people who tended to cause riots and burn up vehicles of people whose cars got stuck in the muck. Every year it got worse. Eventually they burned out a Greyhound bus that drivers had arrived on. Makes me wonder what kind of civilization we live in and maybe we are just on the outskirts of a Hells Angels chapter or something.
Here's a 1979 race on the track during a rainstorm where drivers can see nothing in front of them from the spray from the cars immediately in front of them.
Formula 1's Dark History at Watkins Glen International
Here's a 1979 race on the track during a rainstorm where drivers can see nothing in front of them from the spray from the cars immediately in front of them.
Formula 1's Dark History at Watkins Glen International
November 19th, 2023 at 11:08:26 AM
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The Saturday night F1 race turned out to be more enjoyable than I'd anticipated; I'd feared that there would be many accidents due to slippery conditions but that did not happen.
Testament to the professionalism of the drivers and support staff: they figured out how to master the conditions.
Good passing, better competition than some open wheel races which often are "follow the leader."
Whether it was profitable remains to be seen, but I suspect F1 will return next year...and the following year...
Testament to the professionalism of the drivers and support staff: they figured out how to master the conditions.
Good passing, better competition than some open wheel races which often are "follow the leader."
Whether it was profitable remains to be seen, but I suspect F1 will return next year...and the following year...
"What, me worry?"
