Are Charities Corrupt?
July 7th, 2023 at 8:57:09 PM
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Quote: tuttigymI am the ultimate AP for groceries and sundries. As a 20 year volunteer for a large food bank, I get all the stuff I need from damaged staples, meat, seafood, dairy, bakery, and just about anything one might purchase from large supermarkets, Target, Walmart, etc. My MONTHLY expenditures for the above might total $20.00, yes, I said $20 bucks.
tuttigym
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We stopped donating our leftovers to a local food bank because the " volunteers" consistently picked over the donations. I believe in giving to the less fortunate but I've no desire to feed the vultures who literally take the food out of their mouths.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 7th, 2023 at 10:09:31 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: tuttigymI am the ultimate AP for groceries and sundries. As a 20 year volunteer for a large food bank, I get all the stuff I need from damaged staples, meat, seafood, dairy, bakery, and just about anything one might purchase from large supermarkets, Target, Walmart, etc. My MONTHLY expenditures for the above might total $20.00, yes, I said $20 bucks.
tuttigym
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We stopped donating our leftovers to a local food bank because the " volunteers" consistently picked over the donations. I believe in giving to the less fortunate but I've no desire to feed the vultures who literally take the food out of their mouths.
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It's the same way with all the donation places. I knew somebody who worked for Goodwill and they get first crack at all the good stuff that comes in, we never see it. I know a guy that kept his booth at an antique mall stocked while working for Goodwill.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 8th, 2023 at 9:28:43 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: tuttigymI am the ultimate AP for groceries and sundries. As a 20 year volunteer for a large food bank, I get all the stuff I need from damaged staples, meat, seafood, dairy, bakery, and just about anything one might purchase from large supermarkets, Target, Walmart, etc. My MONTHLY expenditures for the above might total $20.00, yes, I said $20 bucks.
tuttigym
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We stopped donating our leftovers to a local food bank because the " volunteers" consistently picked over the donations. I believe in giving to the less fortunate but I've no desire to feed the vultures who literally take the food out of their mouths.
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Wow donating food "leftovers" such charity. Did the "leftovers" come with insects and dirty utensils too? Do you donate your used underwear complete with skidmarks and other fluids? I am sure your donations have been deeply missed.
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
July 8th, 2023 at 9:37:08 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanQuote: tuttigymI am the ultimate AP for groceries and sundries. As a 20 year volunteer for a large food bank, I get all the stuff I need from damaged staples, meat, seafood, dairy, bakery, and just about anything one might purchase from large supermarkets, Target, Walmart, etc. My MONTHLY expenditures for the above might total $20.00, yes, I said $20 bucks.
tuttigym
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We stopped donating our leftovers to a local food bank because the " volunteers" consistently picked over the donations. I believe in giving to the less fortunate but I've no desire to feed the vultures who literally take the food out of their mouths.
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It's the same way with all the donation places. I knew somebody who worked for Goodwill and they get first crack at all the good stuff that comes in, we never see it. I know a guy that kept his booth at an antique mall stocked while working for Goodwill.
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So, you "knew" two people that may have pilfered Goodwill (stole/robbed), and because you are such an upstanding individual you did not report those "thefts" to the proper authorities? And based on this post, you believe that all the workers/volunteers are thieves? I guess you must believe that if there is one bad cop all cops are bad. Posting such bigotry gives the rest of us great insight into your character.
tuttigym
July 8th, 2023 at 10:35:19 AM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanQuote: tuttigymI am the ultimate AP for groceries and sundries. As a 20 year volunteer for a large food bank, I get all the stuff I need from damaged staples, meat, seafood, dairy, bakery, and just about anything one might purchase from large supermarkets, Target, Walmart, etc. My MONTHLY expenditures for the above might total $20.00, yes, I said $20 bucks.
tuttigym
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We stopped donating our leftovers to a local food bank because the " volunteers" consistently picked over the donations. I believe in giving to the less fortunate but I've no desire to feed the vultures who literally take the food out of their mouths.
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It's the same way with all the donation places. I knew somebody who worked for Goodwill and they get first crack at all the good stuff that comes in, we never see it. I know a guy that kept his booth at an antique mall stocked while working for Goodwill.
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So, you "knew" two people that may have pilfered Goodwill (stole/robbed), and because you are such an upstanding individual you did not report those "thefts" to the proper authorities? And based on this post, you believe that all the workers/volunteers are thieves? I guess you must believe that if there is one bad cop all cops are bad. Posting such bigotry gives the rest of us great insight into your character.
tuttigym
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You brag about only having to spend $20 a month on groceries because you take so much from the food bank you "volunteer "at.
I used to run a Sunday night boat ride around Southern Manattan for up to 200 people, and we donated the leftovers to a food bank that would send a van for it. After we stopped, I got several calls from the directors
It's rather strange that you would denigrate anyone for donating anything for the hungry, and then try to talk character. It reminds me of a discussion Winston Churchill supposedly had with a young lady one night.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 8th, 2023 at 10:59:13 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: billryanQuote: tuttigymI am the ultimate AP for groceries and sundries. As a 20 year volunteer for a large food bank, I get all the stuff I need from damaged staples, meat, seafood, dairy, bakery, and just about anything one might purchase from large supermarkets, Target, Walmart, etc. My MONTHLY expenditures for the above might total $20.00, yes, I said $20 bucks.
tuttigym
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We stopped donating our leftovers to a local food bank because the " volunteers" consistently picked over the donations. I believe in giving to the less fortunate but I've no desire to feed the vultures who literally take the food out of their mouths.
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It's the same way with all the donation places. I knew somebody who worked for Goodwill and they get first crack at all the good stuff that comes in, we never see it. I know a guy that kept his booth at an antique mall stocked while working for Goodwill.
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So, you "knew" two people that may have pilfered Goodwill (stole/robbed), and because you are such an upstanding individual you did not report those "thefts" to the proper authorities? And based on this post, you believe that all the workers/volunteers are thieves? I guess you must believe that if there is one bad cop all cops are bad. Posting such bigotry gives the rest of us great insight into your character.
tuttigym
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You brag about only having to spend $20 a month on groceries because you take so much from the food bank you "volunteer "at.
I used to run a Sunday night boat ride around Southern Manattan for up to 200 people, and we donated the leftovers to a food bank that would send a van for it. After we stopped, I got several calls from the directors
It's rather strange that you would denigrate anyone for donating anything for the hungry, and then try to talk character. It reminds me of a discussion Winston Churchill supposedly had with a young lady one night.
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You know your reading comprehension needs to be worked on. I stated that the groceries and such were damaged thus could not be given away. They were stale dated, opened or crushed packaging, torn plastic packaged meats and produce and bakery goods. Your "donated leftovers" could have been contaminated, over or under cooked and probably broke NY's health code. Nice try patting yourself on the back. I hope nothing was dislocated.
Volunteer in quotes? What is that suppose to mean?
tuttigym
July 8th, 2023 at 11:17:30 AM
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Quote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 8th, 2023 at 11:23:48 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
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Feeding one family is a big deal.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 8th, 2023 at 11:43:29 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
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Actually, that number is pretty accurate as we have recipients check in with a computer receptionist. The same folks cannot get food daily other than bread. It is not like the lines of cars and people as shown on TV. We have a process for distribution which includes ID's so that there are limitations to how often they can receive their specific allotment.
What is "most charities"? You seem to paint your ideas with a broad brush. Be specific and create some credibility.
tuttigym
July 8th, 2023 at 11:51:34 AM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
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Actually, that number is pretty accurate as we have recipients check in with a computer receptionist. The same folks cannot get food daily other than bread. It is not like the lines of cars and people as shown on TV. We have a process for distribution which includes ID's so that there are limitations to how often they can receive their specific allotment.
What is "most charities"? You seem to paint your ideas with a broad brush. Be specific and create some credibility.
tuttigym
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Oh, the irony.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 8th, 2023 at 12:50:43 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
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Feeding one family is a big deal.
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wow you missed the point entirely. Not an easy feat..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 8th, 2023 at 12:53:34 PM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
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Actually, that number is pretty accurate as we have recipients check in with a computer receptionist. The same folks cannot get food daily other than bread. It is not like the lines of cars and people as shown on TV. We have a process for distribution which includes ID's so that there are limitations to how often they can receive their specific allotment.
What is "most charities"? You seem to paint your ideas with a broad brush. Be specific and create some credibility.
tuttigym
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It's still not 150,000 unique families I don't care how you slice it. There are repeaters and they're counted over and over I would be shocked if it was over 30,000 unique families. All charities work that way with the numbers, expand them whenever possible to make it look like they're doing more than they are.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 8th, 2023 at 9:15:38 PM
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.Quote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
BTW the food bank feeds over 150,000 families a year.
tuttigym
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That number is usually misleading because it does not represent unique families. It represents the same families being fed over and over and over and over and over and over during the year. They just add all those together and say they fed 150,000 families. Most charities do this they get real creative with the numbers to make it look like a bigger deal than it is.
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Actually, that number is pretty accurate as we have recipients check in with a computer receptionist. The same folks cannot get food daily other than bread. It is not like the lines of cars and people as shown on TV. We have a process for distribution which includes ID's so that there are limitations to how often they can receive their specific allotment.
What is "most charities"? You seem to paint your ideas with a broad brush. Be specific and create some credibility.
tuttigym
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It's still not 150,000 unique families I don't care how you slice it. There are repeaters and they're counted over and over I would be shocked if it was over 30,000 unique families. All charities work that way with the numbers, expand them whenever possible to make it look like they're doing more than they are.
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The "point" that you seem to be missing is that regardless of the numbers, families have to eat every day. We serve at least four counties in our area, but for your edification, I will check our computer base and produce the raw numbers. Your convoluted view of charitable work is disturbing and troubled. That is saddening.
tuttigym
July 9th, 2023 at 7:42:39 AM
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thats an ap moveQuote: EvenBobI know a guy that kept his booth at an antique mall stocked while working for Goodwill.
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Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 9th, 2023 at 8:04:05 AM
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Your convoluted view of charitable work is disturbing and troubled. That is saddening.
tuttigym
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Not nearly as saddening as your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses wow ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude. All charities are corrupt you just have to know where to look. For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 9th, 2023 at 12:03:29 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
All charities are corrupt you just have to know where to look. For every family they feed what else are they feeding THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
if you don't know about it - how would you know they're corrupt___________?
you'd make a great Criminal Courts Judge
guilty until proven innocent when Judge EB is on the bench
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
July 9th, 2023 at 3:45:55 PM
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All charities are corrupt you just have to know where to look. For every family they feed what else are they feeding THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
if you don't know about it - how would you know they're corrupt___________?
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Because they're all corrupt, it's just a matter of degrees. Somebody in every charitable organization is skimming something because the temptation is just too great.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 10th, 2023 at 10:03:38 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
Your convoluted view of charitable work is disturbing and troubled. That is saddening.
tuttigym
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Not nearly as saddening as your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses wow ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude. All charities are corrupt you just have to know where to look. For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about.
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Observations based on this post:
1. EB does NOT give or participate in ANY charitable endeavors. EB's favorite charity is EB.
2. EB lies by interpreting concepts in posts that are not articulated: "ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude," and "your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses" BTW EB needs to go back to third grade English classes and learn about proper punctuation.
3. EB is a charity BIGOT. "For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about."
4. I am confident that EB believes that government is corrupt in all or most phases, yet he pays taxes. Why would he participate in the promotion of such corruption? I guess turning a blind eye is okay in his book.
tuttigym
July 10th, 2023 at 10:34:45 AM
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Kool.
Another geriatric catfight. Just what the forum needs.
Another geriatric catfight. Just what the forum needs.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 10th, 2023 at 11:05:26 AM
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Quote: tuttigym
1. EB does NOT give or participate in ANY charitable endeavors.
tuttigym
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Wrong, and I have stated many times that I have charities that I give to. Please turn out to speak of things you know nothing about. The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 10th, 2023 at 11:33:19 AM
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Calling a member a charity BIGOT should not be allowed.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 10th, 2023 at 12:20:30 PM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
Your convoluted view of charitable work is disturbing and troubled. That is saddening.
tuttigym
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Not nearly as saddening as your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses wow ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude. All charities are corrupt you just have to know where to look. For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about.
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Observations based on this post:
1. EB does NOT give or participate in ANY charitable endeavors. EB's favorite charity is EB.
2. EB lies by interpreting concepts in posts that are not articulated: "ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude," and "your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses" BTW EB needs to go back to third grade English classes and learn about proper punctuation.
3. EB is a charity BIGOT. "For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about."
4. I am confident that EB believes that government is corrupt in all or most phases, yet he pays taxes. Why would he participate in the promotion of such corruption? I guess turning a blind eye is okay in his book.
tuttigym
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Warning: Attack the post, not the poster.
Forum rules may be found here.
There have been a few barbs traded back and forth in thread; hopefully everyone involved can take the hint, not just Mr. tuttigym.
May the cards fall in your favor.
July 10th, 2023 at 12:51:11 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
July 10th, 2023 at 1:20:06 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
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The United Way pays its CEO around $1.5 million a year. I found that easily. I wouldn’t say that’s ‘corrupt’, but for a charity I find it repulsive. I understand you won’t find a CEO for $20 an hour, but no need to even approach 7 figures.
July 10th, 2023 at 1:42:29 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
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The United Way pays its CEO around $1.5 million a year. I found that easily. I wouldn’t say that’s ‘corrupt’, but for a charity I find it repulsive. I understand you won’t find a CEO for $20 an hour, but no need to even approach 7 figures.
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Charities must disclose how much goes to actual helping vs "administrative costs" there are lists.
July 10th, 2023 at 2:02:06 PM
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i use this charity watchdog:Quote: rainmanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
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The United Way pays its CEO around $1.5 million a year. I found that easily. I wouldn’t say that’s ‘corrupt’, but for a charity I find it repulsive. I understand you won’t find a CEO for $20 an hour, but no need to even approach 7 figures.
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Charities must disclose how much goes to actual helping vs "administrative costs" there are lists.
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https://www.charitynavigator.org/discover-charities/best-charities/highly-rated-charities/
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How did we veer so off topic in this thread?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 10th, 2023 at 2:11:38 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigym
Your convoluted view of charitable work is disturbing and troubled. That is saddening.
tuttigym
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Not nearly as saddening as your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses wow ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude. All charities are corrupt you just have to know where to look. For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about.
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Observations based on this post:
1. EB does NOT give or participate in ANY charitable endeavors. EB's favorite charity is EB.
2. EB lies by interpreting concepts in posts that are not articulated: "ain't we wonderful and no charity is corrupt attitude," and "your pie in the sky everything's coming up roses" BTW EB needs to go back to third grade English classes and learn about proper punctuation.
3. EB is a charity BIGOT. "For every family they feed what else are they feeding that we don't know about."
4. I am confident that EB believes that government is corrupt in all or most phases, yet he pays taxes. Why would he participate in the promotion of such corruption? I guess turning a blind eye is okay in his book.
tuttigym
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Warning: Attack the post, not the poster.
Forum rules may be found here.
There have been a few barbs traded back and forth in thread; hopefully everyone involved can take the hint, not just Mr. tuttigym.
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Thank you Dieter; I did that by using the quoted statements, but I shall dial it back. For some, me included, some of EB's posts belittle and can be interpreted as calling individuals liars. I will have none of that. I appreciate the warning.
tuttigym
July 10th, 2023 at 2:20:46 PM
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Quote: rainman
Charities must disclose how much goes to actual helping vs "administrative costs" there are lists.
a charity having high administrative costs does not in any way mean that they are likely to be corrupt
if the charity has to deal with the States or Federal Government it can take a tremendous amount of time and effort
for example - getting a homeless person an ID - establishing his identity - and getting him benefits he may be entitled to
it's not at all easy to accomplish this
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
July 10th, 2023 at 2:32:06 PM
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How did we veer so off topic in this thread?
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The simple answer is that some forum members will not take given posts at face value and interject their personal bias into the format which can quickly devolve into thread chaos.
tuttigym
July 10th, 2023 at 3:19:50 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
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It's not hard to find the causes with the least overhead. There are multiple websites that examine all the major charities. There are different standards so you need to check a few and look for patterns. I don't understand why the heads of these organizations get what they get, but they are fighting the good fight.
Someone brought up a CEO making $1.5 million. To put it in perspective, that salary would put him at the low end of a professional athletic pay scale. He also is finally getting that after years of being paid far less.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 10th, 2023 at 3:56:01 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: rainman
Charities must disclose how much goes to actual helping vs "administrative costs" there are lists.
a charity having high administrative costs does not in any way mean that they are likely to be corrupt
if the charity has to deal with the States or Federal Government it can take a tremendous amount of time and effort
for example - getting a homeless person an ID - establishing his identity - and getting him benefits he may be entitled to
it's not at all easy to accomplish this
.
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Sure but its one metric. Unfortunately the charity Industry has been gamed there are more bad than good.
Scroll down to table scraps look at those numbers.
https://smartasset.com/mortgage/the-50-worst-charities-in-america-how-to-keep-from-being-scammed
July 10th, 2023 at 4:20:04 PM
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Quote: rainmanQuote: lilredroosterQuote: rainman
Charities must disclose how much goes to actual helping vs "administrative costs" there are lists.
a charity having high administrative costs does not in any way mean that they are likely to be corrupt
if the charity has to deal with the States or Federal Government it can take a tremendous amount of time and effort
for example - getting a homeless person an ID - establishing his identity - and getting him benefits he may be entitled to
it's not at all easy to accomplish this
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Sure but its one metric. Unfortunately the charity Industry has been gamed there are more bad than good.
Scroll down to table scraps look at those numbers.
https://smartasset.com/mortgage/the-50-worst-charities-in-america-how-to-keep-from-being-scammed
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This means you have to do your due diligence, like every other investment. There are great charities that are billion-dollar organizations and others that are literally hand to mouth. There are also bad charities that fit the same descriptions.
Find a few that generally support causes you like and then research them. It's not that hard.
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The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
July 10th, 2023 at 5:07:58 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
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It's called due diligence, try it sometime.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 10th, 2023 at 5:10:16 PM
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This means you have to do your due diligence, like every other investment.
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That's what I just said, you beat me to it. Due diligence is a lot of work and people are allergic to work.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 11th, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
The charities I get to are also corrupt but less so than most others.
I am trying to imagine the tremendous amount of work that you must have done - re in-depth financial analysis - long, long hours pouring over financial documents - to be able to make a determination such as that
.
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It's not hard to find the causes with the least overhead. There are multiple websites that examine all the major charities. There are different standards so you need to check a few and look for patterns. I don't understand why the heads of these organizations get what they get, but they are fighting the good fight.
Someone brought up a CEO making $1.5 million. To put it in perspective, that salary would put him at the low end of a professional athletic pay scale. He also is finally getting that after years of being paid far less.
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It is remarkable that some cannot think outside the box. For those concerned with "corruption" or overpaid charity workers how about you take those charitable $$$ go to your local hospital or clinic and pay someone's overcharged billing or RX, go to your local VA center and help out an indigent service member, visit your local senior center and pay for some meals, or get your nearest homeless encampment and provide some food or liquid (non-alcoholic) refreshment. That would be true due diligence.
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July 11th, 2023 at 11:12:04 AM
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As an owner of a business, I can throw my leftover food in the dumpsters, where the hungry can get it.
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I can call my local food bank, where a "volunteer" will examine it, decide it isn't allowed to be given to the poor and hungry because of some foolish rule, and instead distributes it to the other "volunteers" who bray about not having to buy groceries as they get all they need from the food bank.
You have to love America, where "volunteers" make out so well. I suppose if we can eliminate hunger and homelessness, these "volunteers" might have to find jobs.
Perhaps the "volunteers" could invite some of the hungry to their homes where they can enjoy the foods that were intended for them in the first place.
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I can call my local food bank, where a "volunteer" will examine it, decide it isn't allowed to be given to the poor and hungry because of some foolish rule, and instead distributes it to the other "volunteers" who bray about not having to buy groceries as they get all they need from the food bank.
You have to love America, where "volunteers" make out so well. I suppose if we can eliminate hunger and homelessness, these "volunteers" might have to find jobs.
Perhaps the "volunteers" could invite some of the hungry to their homes where they can enjoy the foods that were intended for them in the first place.
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July 11th, 2023 at 11:26:45 AM
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They didn’t used to publish administrative overhead cost for charities. I think it’s good metric, and also an AP move to check, ‘cause otherwise you’re for sure throwing all your money to someone’s salary.
Also, don’t agree that a charity CEO deserves comparable pay as other high paid CEOs anymore than the base charity workers deserves highest pay rate for moving boxes or whatever they do.
You want comparable pay, work a for-profit business. Don’t work a charity for high pay, or I’ll think poorly of you. And you don’t want that. : )
Also, don’t agree that a charity CEO deserves comparable pay as other high paid CEOs anymore than the base charity workers deserves highest pay rate for moving boxes or whatever they do.
You want comparable pay, work a for-profit business. Don’t work a charity for high pay, or I’ll think poorly of you. And you don’t want that. : )
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July 11th, 2023 at 11:29:55 AM
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…for instance, you really don’t want Doctors Without Borders working at the salary they’d normally get, so why should the CEO of the charity take a lot?
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July 11th, 2023 at 11:52:07 AM
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Quote: rxwine…for instance, you really don’t want Doctors Without Borders working at the salary they’d normally get, so why should the CEO of the charity take a lot?
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How would you attract the talent needed to oversee the workings of a large organization? The Red Cross, for example, has about 20,000 paid staff and even more volunteers. The CEO is responsible for all of them and much much more.
Most of charity's I'm familiar with find the CEOs from qualified talent, not from within. You might get a CEO to jump from ATT to become Secretary. of State for a big pay cut, but candidates for CEO of the Red Cross are also candidates for other CEO jobs and deserve to be paid.
Just because an organization is a charity and does charitable work doesn't mean its employees don't deserve to be compensated according to their responsibilities.
I'd rather pay the workers well than have them wandering around with knives slashing packages so they can't be distributed to the needy, and the " volunteers" get to take the food home.
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July 11th, 2023 at 12:06:19 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: rxwine…for instance, you really don’t want Doctors Without Borders working at the salary they’d normally get, so why should the CEO of the charity take a lot?
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How would you attract the talent needed to oversee the workings of a large organization? The Red Cross, for example, has about 20,000 paid staff and even more volunteers. The CEO is responsible for all of them and much much more.
Most of charity's I'm familiar with find the CEOs from qualified talent, not from within. You might get a CEO to jump from ATT to become Secretary. of State for a big pay cut, but candidates for CEO of the Red Cross are also candidates for other CEO jobs and deserve to be paid.
Just because an organization is a charity and does charitable work doesn't mean its employees don't deserve to be compensated according to their responsibilities.
I'd rather pay the workers well than have them wandering around with knives slashing packages so they can't be distributed to the needy, and the " volunteers" get to take the food home.
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You’d expect someone to take it just like you’d expect some talented Neurosurgeon to volunteer in the third world country, Or anyone else of talent to work below their usual paid output.. You saying there’s nothing but talented a-holes in the CEO class?
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July 11th, 2023 at 12:20:26 PM
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Quote: rxwine…for instance, you really don’t want Doctors Without Borders working at the salary they’d normally get, so why should the CEO of the charity take a lot?
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You are confusing volunteers for an organization with the employees. I used to volunteer coach at a Catholic High School. If I were asked to teach and coach full-time, I'd be an employee, not a volunteer.
The Doctors who volunteer need a professional infrastructure in place. Do you expect pilots to donate their services to flying doctors worldwide?
Charities are businesses with different products. I accept that and don't look at every imperfection. I've been getting involved with some micro-charities that are out of the box. One involves giving goats to Mexican girls for their 12th birthday. It sounded ridiculous when I first heard about it, but it was surprisingly well thought out.
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July 11th, 2023 at 12:30:08 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: rxwine…for instance, you really don’t want Doctors Without Borders working at the salary they’d normally get, so why should the CEO of the charity take a lot?
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You are confusing volunteers for an organization with the employees. I used to volunteer coach at a Catholic High School. If I were asked to teach and coach full-time, I'd be an employee, not a volunteer.
The Doctors who volunteer need a professional infrastructure in place. Do you expect pilots to donate their services to flying doctors worldwide?
Charities are businesses with different products. I accept that and don't look at every imperfection. I've been getting involved with some micro-charities that are out of the box. One involves giving goats to Mexican girls for their 12th birthday. It sounded ridiculous when I first heard about it, but it was surprisingly well thought out.
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Point taken. BUT
Quote:Angel Flight was created by a group of pilots who believe in the benefit of volunteering. Angel Flight is financially supported by the pilots who fly the missions by donating the use of their airplanes and operating
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July 11th, 2023 at 12:45:41 PM
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I guess my final point on that, is I don’t exclude anyone. Even CEOs. Who was the football player who dropped his NFL contract and got himself killed in Afghanistan volunteering himself into the military after 911. No one is above putting in some time as a professional in whatever they are.
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July 11th, 2023 at 12:48:00 PM
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Large organizations. Perhaps that's the problem in the first place.Quote: billryanQuote: rxwine…for instance, you really don’t want Doctors Without Borders working at the salary they’d normally get, so why should the CEO of the charity take a lot?
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How would you attract the talent needed to oversee the workings of a large organization?
When I think of a truly charitable volunteer, it's someone who does it for no compensation, they just do it out of the goodness of their heart. In my opinion, volunteers(other than people with disabilities) shouldn't get paid to volunteer, or don't call it a volunteer. A nonprofit organization/charity shouldn't have any profit or pay volunteers.
Is that a good thing for the truly needy? Probably not initially, but perhaps the organizations would spend more time making sure the help went to the right people, solving the problems, and leading them to be more frugal. A better ecosystem with the needy helping the needy. A needy family or person getting paid to volunteer until they are on their feet, I can get on board with that.
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July 11th, 2023 at 1:32:25 PM
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Are you suggesting a charity should have no paid employees? The Red Cross should rely on all volunteers? When there is a tornado in Arkansas, they should find volunteers to bring in all the needed equipment and let local volunteers organize and run the efforts.
Or that the bookkeepers and accountants should all be volunteers? Security guards? Custodians?
Should we get 100 CEOS to each volunteer as the Boss two days a year?
An organization can't exist without professional staff above the very local level. Most charities start out lean and mean but get fat over time, especially if no one is watching out. Many charities would have to close shop without professional fund-raisers, and these days you need to have a media response team and lawyers on speed dial. Moving blood and emergency equipment nationwide is not a task you can leave to part-time volunteers.
If you can't find a charity worthy of your support, start your own. That's what the goat guys are doing.
Or that the bookkeepers and accountants should all be volunteers? Security guards? Custodians?
Should we get 100 CEOS to each volunteer as the Boss two days a year?
An organization can't exist without professional staff above the very local level. Most charities start out lean and mean but get fat over time, especially if no one is watching out. Many charities would have to close shop without professional fund-raisers, and these days you need to have a media response team and lawyers on speed dial. Moving blood and emergency equipment nationwide is not a task you can leave to part-time volunteers.
If you can't find a charity worthy of your support, start your own. That's what the goat guys are doing.
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July 11th, 2023 at 1:40:02 PM
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You shouldn't be asking for a premium salary at a charitable organization. How's that? And it's a sad state of affairs if no one at that level would do it for less than a premium salary in any organization which depends on a lot of volunteers donating their own valuable time. I will send them a "note of shame'" if you point me to some.
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July 11th, 2023 at 4:22:01 PM
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Quote: rxwineYou shouldn't be asking for a premium salary at a charitable organization. How's that? And it's a sad state of affairs if no one at that level would do it for less than a premium salary in any organization which depends on a lot of volunteers donating their own valuable time. I will send them a "note of shame'" if you point me to some.
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How far down would you extend it? Should entry-level people work sub-minimum wage? Offering crap wages is a great way to build an efficient organization.
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July 11th, 2023 at 5:00:04 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: rxwineYou shouldn't be asking for a premium salary at a charitable organization. How's that? And it's a sad state of affairs if no one at that level would do it for less than a premium salary in any organization which depends on a lot of volunteers donating their own valuable time. I will send them a "note of shame'" if you point me to some.
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How far down would you extend it? Should entry-level people work sub-minimum wage? Offering crap wages is a great way to build an efficient organization.
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What's the purpose of a charity? To generate wealth for the workers? I think anyone should seek a different kind of for-profit job if that is your goal.
Anyway, If your salary is 10k a month and I reduce it 10% is way different than if your salary is 1k a month and I reduce it 10%. I look at effect more than anything else, But I'm against percentages of income once you get into lower wages just for that reason. This is a whole other subject though.
So, I might not even see reducing the wage of someone on the lower end. Anyway, if you're scraping by, you might need to consider being on receiving end of a charity.
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July 11th, 2023 at 5:21:34 PM
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Can you run a successful charity with no one making a real salary? (some people will call it all a scam, but I tend to believe most probably do act in good faith (pun ))
And sure there are scammers. But that's true everywhere
Quote:Unless they perform an additional job, such as working as a teacher or doctor, they do not collect a salary. Some nuns support their monasteries by selling products they have made, but in many cases, the daily needs of nuns, such as housing and food, are provided for by their religious community
And sure there are scammers. But that's true everywhere
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July 11th, 2023 at 7:29:50 PM
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Quote: rxwineCan you run a successful charity with no one making a real salary? (some people will call it all a scam, but I tend to believe most probably do act in good faith (pun ))
Quote:Unless they perform an additional job, such as working as a teacher or doctor, they do not collect a salary. Some nuns support their monasteries by selling products they have made, but in many cases, the daily needs of nuns, such as housing and food, are provided for by their religious community
And sure there are scammers. But that's true everywhere
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I think maybe, but you'd be relying heavily on being indirectly funded by sabbatical leave.
May the cards fall in your favor.
