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rxwine
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July 29th, 2023 at 11:33:24 AM permalink
Is returning an identical product to Walmart that was bought at a dollar store for less a prosecutable crime? Is it even a crime?

I have no problem with the argument over ethics of it. But I donít know if it is a crime.
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July 29th, 2023 at 11:33:29 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Dieter

Quote: SOOPOO

We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didnít buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.
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Not trying to derail things...
What is the ethical difference, if any, between:
- accepting a push on a take hand
- accepting a pay on a push hand
- keeping the extra coins the cashier shouldn't have handed you

Is it who is on the other side of the transaction?
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I know Iíve discussed this in a previous thread. I consider my casino play more of a competition. Than a transaction. But I really canít give a pure reason that there is a real difference. I know Iíd feel like a thief if I bought an item at store X and intentionally lied to store Y to return it there. Iím NOT saying it is a criminal offense, but to ME, it is just wrong. And also, to ME, accepting a payment because the dealer deemed my Jacks higher than his Queens is ok. I can easily understand if you donít.
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As the casino would say "They're running a business".

As long as it's okay to take money from a business that you aren't supposed to...
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July 29th, 2023 at 12:08:34 PM permalink
I actually think it could be argued that counting at BJ is worse than giving an item back to Walmart that you bought at a dollar store.

In both cases it's not something either business wants you to do.
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July 29th, 2023 at 12:31:32 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I actually think it could be argued that counting at BJ is worse than giving an item back to Walmart that you bought at a dollar store.

In both cases it's not something either business wants you to do.
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Yeah the bottom line to the Walmart is zero difference. They will just put the unopened package back on the shelves and sell it for $4.

So $4 paid $4 sold. Worst is they break even.
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July 29th, 2023 at 1:32:07 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: rxwine

I actually think it could be argued that counting at BJ is worse than giving an item back to Walmart that you bought at a dollar store.

In both cases it's not something either business wants you to do.
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Yeah the bottom line to the Walmart is zero difference. They will just put the unopened package back on the shelves and sell it for $4.

So $4 paid $4 sold. Worst is they break even.
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Actually, returned stuff is donated or first marked down then donated if not sold. All donated stuff is a tax deduction at the full retail price. Opened packages or packaging is not reshelved for sale. Damaged packaging goods are sometimes set aside for salvage auction.

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darkoz
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July 29th, 2023 at 2:06:28 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

Quote: darkoz

Quote: rxwine

I actually think it could be argued that counting at BJ is worse than giving an item back to Walmart that you bought at a dollar store.

In both cases it's not something either business wants you to do.
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Yeah the bottom line to the Walmart is zero difference. They will just put the unopened package back on the shelves and sell it for $4.

So $4 paid $4 sold. Worst is they break even.
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Actually, returned stuff is donated or first marked down then donated if not sold. All donated stuff is a tax deduction at the full retail price. Opened packages or packaging is not reshelved for sale. Damaged packaging goods are sometimes set aside for salvage auction.

tuttigym
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I got the impression Axel was returning unopened material. His goal was just financial turnaround quickly at the best price

Why wouldn't they reshelve unopened packages?
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July 29th, 2023 at 2:15:07 PM permalink
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Speaking of buffets, I have a feeling the Paris one isn't coming back any time soon; I'm pretty sure its location is now Martha Stewart's restaurant.
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Martha Stewart's restaurant is across from where the Paris buffet was, based on my Nov 2022 visit.
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I stand corrected - Martha Stewart's restaurant is where Martorano's used to be. According to the online map, the buffet space is still empty.
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July 29th, 2023 at 2:18:03 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: tuttigym

Quote: darkoz

Quote: rxwine

I actually think it could be argued that counting at BJ is worse than giving an item back to Walmart that you bought at a dollar store.

In both cases it's not something either business wants you to do.
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Yeah the bottom line to the Walmart is zero difference. They will just put the unopened package back on the shelves and sell it for $4.

So $4 paid $4 sold. Worst is they break even.
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Actually, returned stuff is donated or first marked down then donated if not sold. All donated stuff is a tax deduction at the full retail price. Opened packages or packaging is not reshelved for sale. Damaged packaging goods are sometimes set aside for salvage auction.

tuttigym
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I got the impression Axel was returning unopened material. His goal was just financial turnaround quickly at the best price

Why wouldn't they reshelve unopened packages?
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WM asks the customer WHY the return? If the customer "changed their mind, " they might reshelve, however, WM usually sets those goods on a pallet for salvage auction otherwise the above happens.

Target does donate but otherwise salvage pallet.

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July 29th, 2023 at 2:47:08 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: SOOPOO

We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didnít buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.
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Not trying to derail things...
What is the ethical difference, if any, between:
- accepting a push on a take hand
- accepting a pay on a push hand
- keeping the extra coins the cashier shouldn't have handed you

Is it who is on the other side of the transaction?
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For me, the difference is most cashiers are responsible for the momey in the draw and there will be a record of a shortage at the end of the shift.


Pointing out a dealer mistake can possibly get them in trouble. I wouldn't want to jeopardize someones livihood by pointing out his mistakes, so I reluctantly bite my tongue.
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darkoz
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July 29th, 2023 at 4:12:15 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: Dieter

Quote: SOOPOO

We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didnít buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.
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Not trying to derail things...
What is the ethical difference, if any, between:
- accepting a push on a take hand
- accepting a pay on a push hand
- keeping the extra coins the cashier shouldn't have handed you

Is it who is on the other side of the transaction?
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For me, the difference is most cashiers are responsible for the momey in the draw and there will be a record of a shortage at the end of the shift.


Pointing out a dealer mistake can possibly get them in trouble. I wouldn't want to jeopardize someones livihood by pointing out his mistakes, so I reluctantly bite my tongue.
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Yes, much better to pocket the cash from the mistaken hand then when the dealer is seen on surveillance later he can be accused of possible collusion.

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July 29th, 2023 at 4:37:21 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: billryan

Quote: Dieter

Quote: SOOPOO

We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didnít buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.
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Not trying to derail things...
What is the ethical difference, if any, between:
- accepting a push on a take hand
- accepting a pay on a push hand
- keeping the extra coins the cashier shouldn't have handed you

Is it who is on the other side of the transaction?
link to original post



For me, the difference is most cashiers are responsible for the momey in the draw and there will be a record of a shortage at the end of the shift.


Pointing out a dealer mistake can possibly get them in trouble. I wouldn't want to jeopardize someones livihood by pointing out his mistakes, so I reluctantly bite my tongue.
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Yes, much better to pocket the cash from the mistaken hand then when the dealer is seen on surveillance later he can be accused of possible collusion.

We knew what type of person you were before but now we really know.
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July 29th, 2023 at 6:03:53 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: Dieter

Quote: SOOPOO

We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didnít buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.
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Not trying to derail things...
What is the ethical difference, if any, between:
- accepting a push on a take hand
- accepting a pay on a push hand
- keeping the extra coins the cashier shouldn't have handed you

Is it who is on the other side of the transaction?
link to original post



For me, the difference is most cashiers are responsible for the momey in the draw and there will be a record of a shortage at the end of the shift.


Pointing out a dealer mistake can possibly get them in trouble. I wouldn't want to jeopardize someones livihood by pointing out his mistakes, so I reluctantly bite my tongue.
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Agree with both your points.
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July 29th, 2023 at 6:40:24 PM permalink
As far as what Axel does in buying something from a dollar store and taking it back to Walmart, that being a fine thing to do, how would it be if instead of Walmart he took it to a store owned by his relative, like a brother-in-law and the brother-in-law had to eat the loss. Then it's a totally different story, then it's easy to see what's wrong with that. For some reason because Walmart is so huge everybody thinks they can do anything they want there. They can't, everything they do there hurts all of us because Walmart just raises prices to make up for it. I just heard a few days ago that my local Home Depot which is in a really nice part of town is losing a couple hundred thousand dollars a year to shoplifting. This is the society we're turning into where people see nothing wrong with this type of behavior.
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July 29th, 2023 at 8:15:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

As far as what Axel does in buying something from a dollar store and taking it back to Walmart, that being a fine thing to do, how would it be if instead of Walmart he took it to a store owned by his relative, like a brother-in-law and the brother-in-law had to eat the loss. Then it's a totally different story, then it's easy to see what's wrong with that. For some reason because Walmart is so huge everybody thinks they can do anything they want there. They can't, everything they do there hurts all of us because Walmart just raises prices to make up for it. I just heard a few days ago that my local Home Depot which is in a really nice part of town is losing a couple hundred thousand dollars a year to shoplifting. This is the society we're turning into where people see nothing wrong with this type of behavior.
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Laughable.

The reason Walmart is raising prices is because THEY think they can do anything they want including gouging and poisoning customers and they keep paying millions and millions in fines for their behavior.











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July 30th, 2023 at 3:44:05 AM permalink
Several WalMarts in upstate NY are victims of thieves putting card skimmers on individual checkout lanes in nearly a dozen stores. I guess someone hangs out in the parking lot with their bluetooth receiver and gets all the data somehow. It's usually just one checkout lane affected, but how many checkout lanes are actually open anyway, one out of two dozen?
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July 30th, 2023 at 6:04:58 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz


The reason Walmart is raising prices is because THEY think they can do anything they want including gouging and poisoning customers and they keep paying millions and millions in fines for their behavior.



I would prefer businesses complete against unfair competitors' practices by trying to expose them, but many businesses try to emulate the worst practices to compete instead. Unfortunately, the ideal of pure competition to improved service and better products has been corrupted by reality of a whole slew of practices designed to kill competition, deceive customers and manipulate them.
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July 30th, 2023 at 6:40:32 AM permalink
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Several WalMarts in upstate NY are victims of thieves putting card skimmers on individual checkout lanes in nearly a dozen stores. I guess someone hangs out in the parking lot with their bluetooth receiver and gets all the data somehow. It's usually just one checkout lane affected, but how many checkout lanes are actually open anyway, one out of two dozen?
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how could no one notice them putting in the skimmers?
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July 30th, 2023 at 7:06:40 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: ChumpChange

Several WalMarts in upstate NY are victims of thieves putting card skimmers on individual checkout lanes in nearly a dozen stores. I guess someone hangs out in the parking lot with their bluetooth receiver and gets all the data somehow. It's usually just one checkout lane affected, but how many checkout lanes are actually open anyway, one out of two dozen?
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how could no one notice them putting in the skimmers?
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It's the old theory of the biggest lie sometimes works the best. The person installing looked like some official technician, so did it right out in the open. They did take care to pick a time when a supervisor wasn't likely to be present.
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July 30th, 2023 at 7:20:38 AM permalink
Most people have AMC theatres that do $5 Movie nights during an off-peak night like Tuesday or Wednesday. However, you can some times snag a similar deal during Peak nights such as Thursday - Sunday. Depending on whether the venue participates in this certain promotion every week.

IF the theatre has over 10 viewing halls and a self purchasing ticket kiosk, you can use this Discount ticket hack.

1) Look for the $5 Special Event Viewing of an Older movie, it will often be a classic like E.T. or Titanic and be a $5 ticket for ANY time that is showing.

2) BEFORE purchasing the ticket, find the timing of the newer movie you would like to see(try to avoid a Big Movie Premiere on Opening Weekend). But go see a movie that was released a week or so ago that you would rather see.

3) Look in the top Right or Left corner of the screen when you are "Choosing Seats", it will conveniently tell you the theatre number that newer released movie is playing in. Either take a photo with your phone or make a mental note of it. You can also see the available seats or just take the corner seats ALL the way in the back, as they are hardly ever filled.

4) Go Back to the $5 Special Viewing event show for the Older movie and purchase your ticket.

5) Walk into the theatre, have your $5 ticket scanned and walk over to the new movie now knowing which room it is showing in and take a corner seat. If it does not fill up, feel free to move to a better seat. If you are concerned someone might come over and say "You're in MY seat" simply apologize and move back. Or open the AMC website in your browser to check the available seats minutes before the movie is set to start.

Enjoy your discount movie tickets for first run IN theatre movies!
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July 30th, 2023 at 7:59:30 AM permalink
Quote: 7NeverWins

Most people have AMC theatres that do $5 Movie nights during an off-peak night like Tuesday or Wednesday. However, you can some times snag a similar deal during Peak nights such as Thursday - Sunday. Depending on whether the venue participates in this certain promotion every week.



Last week I went to a movie for the first time since 2011. I bought the tickets online and reserved two seats. When we go to the theater we walked in an none checked out tickets. We got our snacks and went into the theater and watched the movie. We left and still no one ever checked that we had tickets.
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July 30th, 2023 at 8:40:36 AM permalink
Btw, Iíve found the SuperWalmarts often have a row or two of shelves of assorted clearance items. Lots of junk usually, but I have found a few things at really good prices.
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July 30th, 2023 at 12:02:32 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: ChumpChange

Several WalMarts in upstate NY are victims of thieves putting card skimmers on individual checkout lanes in nearly a dozen stores. I guess someone hangs out in the parking lot with their bluetooth receiver and gets all the data somehow. It's usually just one checkout lane affected, but how many checkout lanes are actually open anyway, one out of two dozen?
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how could no one notice them putting in the skimmers?
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It's the old theory of the biggest lie sometimes works the best. The person installing looked like some official technician, so did it right out in the open. They did take care to pick a time when a supervisor wasn't likely to be present.
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No, it was a couple of people in hoodies. One makes a purchase or argument to distract the cashier while the other in line slips on the card skimmer in a mere 5-10 seconds when the cashier has their head turned. Maybe local TV news will get footage.
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July 30th, 2023 at 12:30:03 PM permalink
I un-blocked this thread even though I think moderators should close it. I also un-blocked Axel. I guess I need to get off my high horse, plus yeah I'm affected by the syndrome we are all catching of 'wanting-to-go-back-and-see-what's-new' in a 13 yr old thread that is trolling everybody.

And I'll reply,

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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I hope it's been made clear that's not what you are doing here. Yes, I think if the amount of money involved was high enough, you could be arrested and convicted for doing it. Some juries might give you a pass, I don't know. Walmart etc should not take things back without a receipt, that's one defense right there.

Worst of all, you posted this as a 'how-to' which I think is against policy here.

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I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly.

well, why not, if you see nothing wrong with it?

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But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

If you bought it on ebay and resold it, or similar, that would be fine. No lying involved.

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I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

classic flawed response, sir. Some people murder other people, so that's OK if I do it too?

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I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
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There are things I've learned about here that I wouldn't do, like collecting a host of usable player's cards. That's just me, but note I've never said a word to anybody about that. What you described is much worse.

Bill I think related the story about saying adios to a guy he was hanging with that he saw shoplift. This is very much the same thing to me. Even worse though would be finding out he put on a tutorial online on how best to do it. That's what you did and what shocked me the most. This site should not allow that.

I'm cooling off and accepting that I'm not perfect either but I'm not taking anything back I said
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July 30th, 2023 at 12:45:50 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: 7NeverWins

Most people have AMC theatres that do $5 Movie nights during an off-peak night like Tuesday or Wednesday. However, you can some times snag a similar deal during Peak nights such as Thursday - Sunday. Depending on whether the venue participates in this certain promotion every week.



Last week I went to a movie for the first time since 2011. I bought the tickets online and reserved two seats. When we go to the theater we walked in an none checked out tickets. We got our snacks and went into the theater and watched the movie. We left and still no one ever checked that we had tickets.
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Good for herding people in while keeping minimal staff, but bad when there is an issue like refunds or technical issues with the movie.

They even have Food "Pick Up" stations(similar to Door Dash pick ups at Dunkin Donuts) that are completely open for someone to just waltz up and grab the Popcorn and Drinks left for the person who ordered it online. I guess you could track the culprit by watching the camera, but by the time security viewed the footage and located them, the items would probably be consumed.

I did see Oppenheimer a few days ago and notice my local theatre had police officers walking around on a Sunday night. So I guess there are other measures to prevent theft and movie bandits!
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July 31st, 2023 at 8:16:18 AM permalink
I donít know that this works any longer. I once wanted to look up articles about relatives in old archived newspapers. But theyíre usually behind a paywall. But since they would often reveal part of the article, I would search on exact quotes within that scrap of info. Then if the site had been web crawled enough by the search engine the new scrap of quote turning up in the search engine would reveal more of the hidden article. Then you could use some part of the new scrap to do the same thing and reveal even more.

Sometimes you can read a blocked item by simply activating ďthe read aloudĒ feature in your computer, tablet or phone,
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August 4th, 2023 at 4:31:09 PM permalink
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Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money.



This guy just picked the stuff off the shelves and brought it to the return counter for a refund. No receipt necessary at Home Depot.

'Connecticut man allegedly cheated Home Depot with $300,000 door-return scam'
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November 20th, 2023 at 5:23:51 PM permalink
If you have a DVR and the right kind of subscription service this may work for you.

Sometimes I want to watch a movie, maybe old maybe not so old. If it's not coming on anytime soon, you can set to record it. BUT if it's not available the cable company will offer a pay price. Most of the time, I'm not that interested in watching it to pay.

Here's what I do instead. I go to IMDB (or whatever database you prefer) and look at the list of actors. I try to find one who hasn't done too many movies, and I can program his or her name into the function that will keep an eye out for any movies that actor has done, and it will record it if it finds some station playing it eventually. This function is normally often used for recording all of a series, so you don't miss something.

Now if you pick an actor who is done a lot of movies, you'll get way too many movies.
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