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rxwine
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July 13th, 2023 at 8:22:47 AM permalink
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As should be obvious, the discussion about charities and corruption was split off into a different thread by request of a member. If you are looking for that discussion go here: Are charities corrupt?
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Heh, I considered it was still about AP if not very admirable, and not about charity. Though I can see the close relationship.
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July 13th, 2023 at 8:35:05 AM permalink
I'll givde you half of an AP move.

Every venue of any decent size has a customer service booth. It's often out of the way and most people aren't aware of it. Unless the event is a total sellout, the CSB will have dozens or hundreds of seats available for exchange. Unless you become known as a serial offender, they will almost always offer you a free ticket upgrade. All you have to do is complain about your seats. Too many steps to climb; the guy in front of my wife is 6 foot six and wearing a hat that blocks her view, the lady sitting next to me smells like she bathed in garlic. My last visit to the LA Forum, I had seats in the three hundred section, and after explaining my difficulty climbing stairs, especially in the dark, they exchanged them for seats in the back, on the floor.
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July 13th, 2023 at 1:27:37 PM permalink
Once seated on a Southwest flight if there is a large person coming down the aisle that you think might try and sit next to you have your Touretteís syndrome start to act up. Cure it when the attractive women is next in lineÖ..

I always find way more golf balls than I lose. Over the years I have dumped them into a large garbage can. Then when that was full some planters. Then some gym bags. Yesterday neighbors across the street had their annual garage sale. Each year I bring over a bag of balls and put a 3 for a dollar sign. Each of the last few years the ladies have sold $5- $15 worth. Itís kind of a social thing. Yesterday I saw a guy looking at themÖ. I brought him to my garage and sold him ALL of the balls. For a mere $100. I was so happy to get rid of them. He plans on selling themÖ. And I can easily see him getting $500- $1000 if he sorts, cleans, and has a place to sell them. I did a rough guess and posited there were over 2000 balls! Found around 6 more today so Iím on the way back!
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July 13th, 2023 at 2:00:51 PM permalink
Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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July 13th, 2023 at 2:28:25 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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my ap move: i dont play golf :)

when a new driving range opened up near me they had a special of like $15 for an hr, unlimited # of balls (auto ball feeder).
me and 2 friends went. none of us played golf before.

our goal: who hit the most # of balls. accuracy did not matter.
i had 300 (i think) and lost :(
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July 13th, 2023 at 2:59:08 PM permalink
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 13th, 2023 at 3:33:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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I once bought a product that had batteries included. But it had no batteries. It had been returned without the new batteries by a previous person. Quite possibly just buying a product to take the batteries. So, I suppose a person could keep themselves stocked in free batteries.
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July 13th, 2023 at 3:47:26 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Quote: AxelWolf

You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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I once bought a product that had batteries included. But it had no batteries. It had been returned without the new batteries by a previous person. Quite possibly just buying a product to take the batteries. So, I suppose a person could keep themselves stocked in free batteries.
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I have found stuff at the 99 cent store for 4.99 (not everything is .99) Wal-Mart is selling the same thing for $25. Nintendo type stuff in this case.

Obviously Wal-Mart has restrictions on amounts eligible without a recite(they used to be more generous) I used to know all the ins and outs of that.
Normally you get a gift card. That's the same as cah to me.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 13th, 2023 at 3:55:32 PM permalink
Wal-Mart has a 100% guanteeed on their meat products. Just bring in the recipe and say it wasn't fresh, you didn't like it or whatever. They will refund you the money.

I have bought a few filet mignon''s that were not up to par and my wife got the money back without a problem.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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July 13th, 2023 at 4:04:32 PM permalink
Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 13th, 2023 at 5:23:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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July 13th, 2023 at 5:39:01 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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I LOVE when people do this with electronics, the best part is when you return the new computer the store has to put it back up on sale as "used", so someone that actually wants to buy it gets a brand new laptop for a heavily discounted price. An AP move in more ways than one! You would be surprised how many good quality electronics you can get from people that just essentially return a brand new product.
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July 13th, 2023 at 5:52:46 PM permalink
I've got some good deals on "open box" electronics. I think most of them are display items, but not sure. You usually can return it still if something is really wrong. I wouldn't buy something that expensive if I couldn't return it unless it is ridiculously cheap. I've always been able to turn everything on and see that it works though before buying it.
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July 13th, 2023 at 8:31:13 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I've got some good deals on "open box" electronics. I think most of them are display items, but not sure. You usually can return it still if something is really wrong. I wouldn't buy something that expensive if I couldn't return it unless it is ridiculously cheap. I've always been able to turn everything on and see that it works though before buying it.
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Open boxes are usually displays or people who bought the wrong product (or changed thier mind) and returned it. I've seen a really good gaming laptop for less than 1k that was open box, some people also return products for the most mundane of reasons, like weight or because maybe it has a tiny little cosmetic blemish.
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July 14th, 2023 at 4:24:19 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 14th, 2023 at 4:42:25 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
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I too have related how I struggled to get where I am.

Now EB will show who he is and refer to your hardworking past with every post. He will make statements like "weren't you just poor..." And "you seem mighty proud of being poor" etc.
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July 14th, 2023 at 4:55:37 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
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very interesting post - thanks for sharing

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July 14th, 2023 at 5:10:19 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
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I too have related how I struggled to get where I am.

Now EB will show who he is and refer to your hardworking past with every post. He will make statements like "weren't you just poor..." And "you seem mighty proud of being poor" etc.
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I don't really talk about that stuff, very few people knew/know. I didn't want people feeling sorry for me. There was a time I was in the hospital after an emergency surgery when they told my wife(we weren't married at the time) I wouldn't make it till the morning. I remember her telling me, it really hit her when they started asking her about my religious/faith preferences or whatever, and that she should call available family members.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:46:21 AM permalink
I did some scraping growing up. But it mostly involved plates. I respect anyone who had to start from difficult beginnings. That you don't die, don't spend your entire life panhandling or living drug to drug high on the street, or spending 40 years in prison is a success in itself.
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July 14th, 2023 at 7:31:30 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
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That's disappointing. There is a difference between gaming a system and ripping it off. Buying stuff you don't intend to keep, using it and returning it isn't an AP move. You know better.
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July 14th, 2023 at 7:31:46 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: AxelWolf

Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
link to original post

I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
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That's disappointing. There is a difference between gaming a system and ripping it off. Buying stuff you don't intend to keep, using it and returning it isn't an AP move. You know better.
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July 14th, 2023 at 8:46:04 AM permalink
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That's disappointing. There is a difference between gaming a system and ripping it off. Buying stuff you don't intend to keep, using it and returning it isn't an AP move. You know better.
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That's what I said, it's a ghetto move. If you think ripping off and stealing are AP moves, you belong in a place where everybody agrees with you. It's called prison.
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July 14th, 2023 at 9:23:42 AM permalink
I donít think itís a ripoff to use a company policy in unintended ways. But that is somewhat specialized in what I would consider AP and not acceptable AP. Somewhat like counting cards or much other AP. Of course, a casino doesnít want you to make money through unintended effects of policy, or holes in a policy.

Everyone has their own ethical line to draw though, and mine is not the same as someone elses.

If a company doesnít want to deal with problems of returns thereís a solution. ďAll sales finalĒ. Personally, I wouldnít return an altered product. But using the product as they give it to you with the option to return. Thatís fuzzy. Itís at least as fuzzy as companyís offering extended warranties, that they know on average, they will make money from and most customers wonít use.

Sorry, failed to stay on topic.
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July 14th, 2023 at 9:26:02 AM permalink
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Quote: billryan


That's disappointing. There is a difference between gaming a system and ripping it off. Buying stuff you don't intend to keep, using it and returning it isn't an AP move. You know better.
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That's what I said, it's a ghetto move. If you think ripping off and stealing are AP moves, you belong in a place where everybody agrees with you. It's called prison.
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Well, I am on the fence with this.

Even when I was homeless I never even panhandled much less purchased something and then returned it with advance intent.

And intrinsically I do feel it's stealing.

HOWEVER, one thing I often argue about my multi-carding is that what I do is NOT against the law (I am often told I am a thief and will go to jail for what I do and the short answer is "that's absolutely wrong".

So what would be the theft charge of someone who does this? Who makes a purchase and then returns an item used to the store which gives them a refund per THEIR policy?

The answer is there would be no charge under the law. There is no crime here under the law. I'm sure Axel would laugh at EB and Bill if they called the authorities to report this "crime".

Because no it's not a crime except in their moral heads. And that's what I face when people (including judges) say multi-carding should be illegal. Moral attitude is meaningless in the face of actual law.

From an advantage play angle (and not something I would do) it qualifies as AP and not cheating or stealing.

(I should also say that calling it "ghetto" smacks of racism and I don't appreciate it. Ghettos are associated with black and Jewish people mostly. And as for ripping people off, there are billion dollars ripoff schemes. Rich people don't buy clothes and return them. They buy skyscrapers, misreport their value and then claim bankruptcy. Same deal, different form)

EDIT: I think I just basically said the same thing as RXWine above)
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July 14th, 2023 at 9:45:55 AM permalink
Just because every house on the street is worth more than half a million dollars doesn't mean the local armed gangbangers don't refer to the neighborhood as "the barrio" or "Harlem" or "the ghetto".
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July 14th, 2023 at 10:05:40 AM permalink
It would be interesting to know how many people here, if they see a sale, only one item per customer, consider it okay to go back later in the day and get the same item? Iíd consider that a fairly tight moral ideal on not violating intent of policy vs a lot of us who would just go back later if we really really wanted it, (including me). I assume the company that does that wants the most customers as possible to be satisfied, not a few customers to get a great deal.

Of course, I could be wrong on their intent.
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July 14th, 2023 at 10:08:51 AM permalink
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Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably lose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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July 14th, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM permalink
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Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
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July 14th, 2023 at 10:19:27 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

Quote: rxwine

Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
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I already buy used balls because I lose so many.
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July 14th, 2023 at 10:25:45 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Quote: DRich

Quote: rxwine

Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
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I try to avoid discussing other people's balls :)
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July 14th, 2023 at 12:03:05 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

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Quote: DRich

Quote: rxwine

Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
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I already buy used balls because I lose so many.
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play Frisbee golf instead?
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July 14th, 2023 at 12:33:56 PM permalink
I have a family member that took advantage of merchant policy and got away with stealing.

She purchased over a one year period about ten grand in items from Amazon and reported every single item undelivered obtaining refunds on them all until Amazon shut down her account.

They haven't pursued charges but if they did I am certain they would get a conviction
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July 14th, 2023 at 12:57:43 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have a family member that took advantage of merchant policy and got away with stealing.

She purchased over a one year period about ten grand in items from Amazon and reported every single item undelivered obtaining refunds on them all until Amazon shut down her account.

They haven't pursued charges but if they did I am certain they would get a conviction
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The thrust of this story is correct the details are exaggerated. Amazon would never put up with that many undelivered package reports without taking action long before what is described here. Amazon has a very generous return policy but even if you legitimately return too many items in a certain time, and I'm talking months here, they will shut down your account and you'll never get another account there. A computer keeps track of all this and they would never let a customer get up to $10,000 in undelivered package reports, they would be investigating just after a few.
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July 14th, 2023 at 1:03:30 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

I have a family member that took advantage of merchant policy and got away with stealing.

She purchased over a one year period about ten grand in items from Amazon and reported every single item undelivered obtaining refunds on them all until Amazon shut down her account.

They haven't pursued charges but if they did I am certain they would get a conviction
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The thrust of this story is correct the details are exaggerated. Amazon would never put up with that many undelivered package reports without taking action long before what is described here. Amazon has a very generous return policy but even if you legitimately return too many items in a certain time, and I'm talking months here, they will shut down your account and you'll never get another account there. A computer keeps track of all this and they would never let a customer get up to $10,000 in undelivered package reports, they would be investigating just after a few.
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And you would know because you tried it?

Or you just are saying something without experience.

Computer software is precisely what is vulnerable. A human would have cancelled her account long ago. A computer software can always be fooled. Because it doesn't think. It just does what it's programmed to do

EDIT: Of course it's always possible she is exaggerating what she got away with. I am going on what she reported to me
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July 14th, 2023 at 2:22:47 PM permalink
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EDIT: Of course it's always possible she is exaggerating what she got away with. I am going on what she reported to me
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She is grossly exaggerating believe me. I'm an Amazon expert, I know the ins and outs of Amazon like nobody else on this forum and she did not get away with what she said she got away with. You don't want to screw with Amazon. For instance if they damage your property with one of their vans, and they do it everyday, unless you have it on video, dated video, they will do nothing about it. You have no recourse. Their Vans have done thousands of dollars of worth of damage to just one property and the owner has to suck it up.
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July 14th, 2023 at 2:26:36 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: DRich

Quote: rxwine

Quote: DRich

Quote: rxwine

Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
link to original post


Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
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I already buy used balls because I lose so many.
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play Frisbee golf instead?
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Careful now. Discs for disc golf are generally $10+ each - and rarely come in a pack of dozen like golf balls.

And trust me; discs go missing too...
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July 14th, 2023 at 2:46:54 PM permalink
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EDIT: Of course it's always possible she is exaggerating what she got away with. I am going on what she reported to me
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She is grossly exaggerating believe me. I'm an Amazon expert, I know the ins and outs of Amazon like nobody else on this forum and she did not get away with what she said she got away with. You don't want to screw with Amazon. For instance if they damage your property with one of their vans, and they do it everyday, unless you have it on video, dated video, they will do nothing about it. You have no recourse. Their Vans have done thousands of dollars of worth of damage to just one property and the owner has to suck it up.
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I deal with Amazon regularly as well and it's clear you know as much about Amazon as you do about winning at roulette.

Which is basically absolutely nothing.
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Someday, there will be a subject EB isn't an expert on. Someday. Just not today.
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July 14th, 2023 at 3:50:45 PM permalink
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Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.


Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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I've been doing that kind of stuff for as long as I can remember. I started out poor from the day I was born. I was working side jobs to make money from an early age.

I worked my ass off, I had 1-2 jobs all through high school. I had my own place for a while during high school and always had a car.

When I was 18 I came to Vegas on a Greyhound bus with only a few hundred bucks in my wallet. I had no car, owed money for traffic violations(Just my luck, within hours of arriving, the very first night I get here to Vegas I got a ticket for riding a motorcycle with no helmet or some BS), and lived in multiple crappy places for about 3 years, including The Naked City(the most crime at that time).

At one time I worked 3 different Jobs at the same time in Vegas, and it was still hard to make it.

Over the years I have been through and overcome some serious S@*T. I shouldn't even be alive multiple times over. I had to recover and rebuild 2 times throughout my AP career.

So if gaming the system is in my blood and reflects negatively on me, so be it. I'm not the least bit ashamed.
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That's disappointing. There is a difference between gaming a system and ripping it off. Buying stuff you don't intend to keep, using it and returning it isn't an AP move. You know better.
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Well, you would be disappointed in quite a few people/AP's, even some who you know.

This is not only used for personal use but this move is actually used in direct conjunction with Casino Advantage Play.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 14th, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM permalink
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I deal with Amazon regularly as well and it's clear you know as much about Amazon as you do about winning at roulette.

Which is basically absolutely nothing.
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My God your posts are predictable, LOL. I bet you killed them in sixth grade..
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July 14th, 2023 at 4:34:30 PM permalink
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I deal with Amazon regularly as well and it's clear you know as much about Amazon as you do about winning at roulette.

Which is basically absolutely nothing.
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My God your posts are predictable, LOL. I bet you killed them in sixth grade..
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Meaningless comments as usual. What you resort to when you know you're wrong and just got called out

The hilarity here is your wish to be a respected AP has forced you into making backwards comments. Comments that everyone here who is a professional AP can tell is simply ass-backwards.

For example you want us to believe that you know the Amazon software is so tight it wouldn't allow someone to take advantage of it....

But the online casino and B/M casinos are so out of touch that you can generate decades of wins without them ever catching on.

The AP community easily recognizes how ass-backwards that is

You have never dealt with Amazon using their return policy egregiously, and you haven't dealt with beating casinos at roulette.

So instead you use your imagination to be accepted as wise within the AP community and it fails you every time
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:17:42 PM permalink
A guy in Douglas started doing driveway sales with Amazon merchandise. What he didn't sell, he returned in two or three weeks and it got pretty popular. He'd return dozens of items each week, sometimes more. After about six months, Amazon contacted him. Not to cut him off but to review whether a business account might be better for him. I think my peak year was about 600 orders and I've had few returns so while I've heard they have started to clamp down, I've not seen it myself.
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:20:44 PM permalink
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Meaningless comments as usual.



The predictable hilarity of your comments is never ending. You would not know how to insult me if you tried, the limitations of your cerebrum prevent any real insults from occurring to you.
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:25:06 PM permalink
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A guy in Douglas started doing driveway sales with Amazon merchandise. What he didn't sell, he returned in two or three weeks and it got pretty popular. He'd return dozens of items each week, sometimes more. After about six months, Amazon contacted him. Not to cut him off but to review whether a business account might be better for him. I think my peak year was about 600 orders and I've had few returns so while I've heard they have started to clamp down, I've not seen it myself.
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Your story is anecdotal and is probably false at its core. What Amazon does is it takes return items and puts them on a skid until there are seven or eight or $9,000 worth and they wrap it in shrink wrap and auction it off. Hundreds and hundreds of these a year maybe even thousands I don't know. It'll say on the skid that it has retail value of say 7,500 and somebody will pay $2,500 for it and then try and sell it piece by piece and make a profit. I've read the breakdown is about $2 less than minimum wage in the end, but hey you're self-employed. Kind of sort of.
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:32:42 PM permalink
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A guy in Douglas started doing driveway sales with Amazon merchandise. What he didn't sell, he returned in two or three weeks and it got pretty popular. He'd return dozens of items each week, sometimes more. After about six months, Amazon contacted him. Not to cut him off but to review whether a business account might be better for him. I think my peak year was about 600 orders and I've had few returns so while I've heard they have started to clamp down, I've not seen it myself.
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Your story is anecdotal and is probably false at its core. What Amazon does is it takes return items and puts them on a skid until there are seven or eight or $9,000 worth and they wrap it in shrink wrap and auction it off. Hundreds and hundreds of these a year maybe even thousands I don't know. It'll say on the skid that it has retail value of say 7,500 and somebody will pay $2,500 for it and then try and sell it piece by piece and make a profit. I've read the breakdown is about $2 less than minimum wage in the end, but hey you're self-employed. Kind of sort of.
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EB is going all in.

After a personal insult that my cerebrum is lacking ability he then tells Bill Ryan that he's lying because the story he told is false at it's core
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July 14th, 2023 at 5:46:11 PM permalink
It's time you guys step off the EB merry go round. He is just padding his post count & we are all helping him.
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July 14th, 2023 at 6:05:42 PM permalink
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It's time you guys step off the EB merry go round. He is just padding his post count & we are all helping him.
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He is the expert on all things Amazon, so why argue? If there is one thing I learned in my years in business, it is there is always someone that knows more about it than I do.
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July 14th, 2023 at 8:19:44 PM permalink
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Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
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I already buy used balls because I lose so many.
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play Frisbee golf instead?
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My guess is that would be cost prohibitive because I will still probably lose four frisbee's per round.
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July 14th, 2023 at 10:04:35 PM permalink
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Quote: DRich

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Quote: DRich

Quote: rxwine

Definitely an AP move finding other people's lost golf balls, rather than having to go look for your own. (I have too much experience with the latter)
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I probably ose 4 balls in a normal round and I never spend more than 30 seconds looking for them.
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Check with SOOPOO, Heíll sell you your balls backs.
link to original post


I already buy used balls because I lose so many.
link to original post

play Frisbee golf instead?
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My guess is that would be cost prohibitive because I will still probably lose four frisbee's per round.
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https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/labrador-retriever-knack-finding-lost-frisbees-100517566
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 15th, 2023 at 4:07:57 AM permalink
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It's time you guys step off the EB merry go round. He is just padding his post count & we are all helping him.
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Put him on ignore?
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