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July 15th, 2023 at 4:22:19 PM permalink

My offer was accepted just now on a home in a 55-plus community in Tucson. Pending park approval and the home inspection coming back good, it looks like a done deal. It's a land-lease community with multiple pools, two fitness clubs, six pickleball courts, volleyball, horseshoes, and bocci balls. It seems fairly close-knit, and I've already met a couple of people.
Now I'm looking for an RV park up in the White Mountains as a summer getaway.
It's a buyer's market right now. I'm not sure how long it will last.

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July 16th, 2023 at 6:55:15 AM permalink

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My offer was accepted just now on a home in a 55-plus community in Tucson. Pending park approval and the home inspection coming back good, it looks like a done deal. It's a land-lease community with multiple pools, two fitness clubs, six pickleball courts, volleyball, horseshoes, and bocci balls. It seems fairly close-knit, and I've already met a couple of people.
Now I'm looking for an RV park up in the White Mountains as a summer getaway.
It's a buyer's market right now. I'm not sure how long it will last.
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Congrats. Definitely a buyers market if you can afford to pay cash. Those 7% interest rates are really starting to squeeze the market for sellers of lower end homes that are usually purchased by younger people who need a mortgage.

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July 16th, 2023 at 7:26:27 AM permalink

Thanks. I got it for 40% less than the original ask, which evidently was a tad ambitious. Summertime in Tucson is made for buyers.
The loan officer was begging me to fill out a loan app, he hasn't seen one in days.

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July 16th, 2023 at 3:37:09 PM permalink

Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour. The pictures show you what it looked like. I went and got a manager, some young lady about 32 years old and told her and showed her the pictures and she said oh no, we'll take care of that. I said good, because when I leave the store I will put this on my church's Facebook page and they have about 800 members who would love to see this. I should mention that I don't go to church. I had already checked out and she asked for my receipt and went away for about 5 minutes and came back with a refund receipt. The bill had been over $40 and she put out all back on my card. LOL

Now half of you are going to say, Bob, admit it you filled the toilet. Nope, went in to use the urinal. This is supposedly their best store in the area this is really disgraceful I should send these pictures to corporate.

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July 16th, 2023 at 4:05:18 PM permalink

Yay, Bob. Your ship has finally come in.

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July 16th, 2023 at 4:14:58 PM permalink

Someone murdered the Ty-D-Bol man.

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July 17th, 2023 at 9:14:14 AM permalink

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Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour.

The frequency you describe should be of concern. It sounds like at least 4th stage kidney function/failure/disease. Do you see a nephrologist to control or least address the frequency? How can this be? With the touting of your "healthy diet," low caloric intake, and minimal junk food participation, it seems like you would be taking better care of that situation.

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July 17th, 2023 at 11:17:35 AM permalink

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Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour.

The frequency you describe should be of concern. It sounds like at least 4th stage kidney function/failure/disease.

tuttigym
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Sorry to disappoint you, I have your typical old man's enlarged prostate.

"Typical signs of a benign enlarged prostate include frequently having the urge to urinate, getting up at night to go to the toilet, and feeling that your bladder is never really empty."

I can guarantee I'm not the only one on this forum that suffers from this it's very common.

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July 17th, 2023 at 11:40:21 AM permalink

Takes a certain type of human being to want to inflict that on as many people as possible.

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July 17th, 2023 at 3:07:47 PM permalink

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Quote: tuttigym
Quote: EvenBob
Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour.

The frequency you describe should be of concern. It sounds like at least 4th stage kidney function/failure/disease.

tuttigym
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Sorry to disappoint you, I have your typical old man's enlarged prostate.

"Typical signs of a benign enlarged prostate include frequently having the urge to urinate, getting up at night to go to the toilet, and feeling that your bladder is never really empty."

I can guarantee I'm not the only one on this forum that suffers from this it's very common.
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It is (most likely) easily treatable, either with a single prescription or a single outpatient procedure. I can tell you that the vast majority of men who get treated for BPH (benign prostatic hypertrophy) only ask one question after…. Why the f… did I wait so long!

There are a few other possible diagnoses which could be more serious, so it certainly merits investigation one way or the other.

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July 17th, 2023 at 3:36:39 PM permalink

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Quote: EvenBob
Quote: tuttigym
Quote: EvenBob
Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour.

The frequency you describe should be of concern. It sounds like at least 4th stage kidney function/failure/disease.

tuttigym
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Sorry to disappoint you, I have your typical old man's enlarged prostate.

"Typical signs of a benign enlarged prostate include frequently having the urge to urinate, getting up at night to go to the toilet, and feeling that your bladder is never really empty."

I can guarantee I'm not the only one on this forum that suffers from this it's very common.
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It is (most likely) easily treatable, either with a single prescription or a single outpatient procedure. I can tell you that the vast majority of men who get treated for BPH (benign prostatic hypertrophy) only ask one question after…. Why the f… did I wait so long!

There are a few other possible diagnoses which could be more serious, so it certainly merits investigation one way or the other.
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I suggest trephination.

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July 17th, 2023 at 11:38:57 PM permalink

Scientists could probably prevent and cure most everything if they knew how to guess/predict future outcomes by studying patterns of random past events at an 80% hit rate.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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July 18th, 2023 at 10:08:54 AM permalink

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Quote: EvenBob
Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour.

The frequency you describe should be of concern. It sounds like at least 4th stage kidney function/failure/disease.

tuttigym
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Sorry to disappoint you, I have your typical old man's enlarged prostate.

"Typical signs of a benign enlarged prostate include frequently having the urge to urinate, getting up at night to go to the toilet, and feeling that your bladder is never really empty."

I can guarantee I'm not the only one on this forum that suffers from this it's very common.
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It is (most likely) easily treatable, either with a single prescription or a single outpatient procedure. I can tell you that the vast majority of men who get treated for BPH (benign prostatic hypertrophy) only ask one question after…. Why the f… did I wait so long!

There are a few other possible diagnoses which could be more serious, so it certainly merits investigation one way or the other.
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I suggest trephination.
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having prostate surgery means you won't be able to get it up ever again?

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July 18th, 2023 at 10:14:53 AM permalink

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Quote: EvenBob
Talk about an AP move. I was in Target today buying mostly groceries and I had to use the restroom because at my age I have to go to the bathroom about once an hour.

The frequency you describe should be of concern. It sounds like at least 4th stage kidney function/failure/disease.

tuttigym
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Sorry to disappoint you, I have your typical old man's enlarged prostate.

"Typical signs of a benign enlarged prostate include frequently having the urge to urinate, getting up at night to go to the toilet, and feeling that your bladder is never really empty."

I can guarantee I'm not the only one on this forum that suffers from this it's very common.
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It is (most likely) easily treatable, either with a single prescription or a single outpatient procedure. I can tell you that the vast majority of men who get treated for BPH (benign prostatic hypertrophy) only ask one question after…. Why the f… did I wait so long!

There are a few other possible diagnoses which could be more serious, so it certainly merits investigation one way or the other.
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I suggest trephination.
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having prostate surgery means you won't be able to get it up ever again?
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At his age, ED happens anyway

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July 19th, 2023 at 11:25:53 AM permalink

This is a great AP hack. I have 12 cats so I have Air Wick plugins in every room and the things are expensive if you have to buy them all the time. But you can refill them yourself if you know what to do. I use almond oil with a few drops of peppermint oil and sweet orange oil and for a wick I get them from Amazon. They are diffuser wicks and are identical to the ones that are in the Air Wick. So for under 50 cents I've reused the bottle and got a new full bottle for a fraction of the cost of a new one. Lots of people do this, look it up on YouTube that's how I found it.

Oh Bob oh Bob, you beat roulette you must have a million dollars to waste. I don't believe in wasting money and I certainly don't believe in wasting resources, I love to recycle things and repurpose. This is a great hack if you use a lot of Air Wick or any of the plug-in diffusers, they make your house smell great if you have cats or not.

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July 19th, 2023 at 12:14:38 PM permalink

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Costco and Sam's club have a 90 day return policy on electronic. Not sure about other stuff it's probably longer.

Need a fancy computer, cell phone or something you won't use again while on vacation or whatever? Just buy that crap and return it 90 days later.

I will be buying lots of stuff on my next vacation such as a BBQ, big charging bank's, camping supplies etc from Walmart, Costco or Sam's club and returning it when I'm done using it. Last time in the Reno area they had a sign at Wal-Mart saying no returns on camping supplies, however they didn't blink an eye and refunded all the money (15 days for electronics at WM)
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Wow, you must really be hitting the skids in your Casino moves. All the stuff you're talking about doing in stores are ghetto moves, it's what poor people do, buy stuff and then return it knowing they're going to return it when they bought it. It's the lowest of the low and you're bragging about it. Says a ton about who you are.
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I have just now got around to reviewing this.

3-day suspension for EvenBob. This is a personal insult, especially the last two lines.

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July 19th, 2023 at 12:33:21 PM permalink

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You're a heartbreaker
Dream maker, love taker
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July 19th, 2023 at 3:59:06 PM permalink

Get a streaming box and cut the cord. Pull Netflix while you are at it. So much on YouTube and Roku there is no need for either.

Get rid of your regular cell plan and get on Verizon prepaid for about $40 a month. That one I love, I hear the people at WMT ask if I want to save on my cell plan and I say "can you beat $40 a month?" They never can!

A guy I know is paying almost $200 a month for cable! Since I found out about cheaper cell plans I have probably saved over $2,000. I add in cable and wonder how I used to afford both.

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July 19th, 2023 at 4:52:54 PM permalink

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A guy I know is paying almost $200 a month for cable!
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With internet that guy is me too. 😪 It was over $200 until Called up.

If you use your cell phone for any data/tethering, Verizon prepared is the worst.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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July 19th, 2023 at 5:14:39 PM permalink

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Get a streaming box and cut the cord. Pull Netflix while you are at it. So much on YouTube and Roku there is no need for either.

Get rid of your regular cell plan and get on Verizon prepaid for about $40 a month. That one I love, I hear the people at WMT ask if I want to save on my cell plan and I say "can you beat $40 a month?" They never can!

A guy I know is paying almost $200 a month for cable! Since I found out about cheaper cell plans I have probably saved over $2,000. I add in cable and wonder how I used to afford both.
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40 a month? your getting robbed! I Pay $199... $220 with tax a year. What do I get? unlimited call & text with 24 gigs of data
a month with carry over and Excellent coverage.

MY internet cable home phone =270 ...I know I'm working on it.

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July 20th, 2023 at 11:13:59 AM permalink

I have a few "schemes" as I call them that I took advantage of in the past, some more ethical than others:

1. First "AP"/outright theft move was when I was in first grade. Skeeball machine at our Chuck E Cheese had tickets that did not tear easily. If you pulled them ever so gently it would pull out another ticket from the dispenser rather than breaking. I would get hundreds of tickets from a single coin on a game that was supposed to pay 5-10.

2. Back in high school Dave and Busters had a promo where you could use tickets to pay for appetizers. Quickly learned how to AP a few games (exact number of directional taps on the D-pad to get a ring to drop around a can) to get food for a fraction of the price.

3. My local bar had a claw machine that was stocked with cheap jewelry. One day they changed it over to instead be stocked with these mini rubber ducks - $1 per play, and getting a duck got you a free draw beer. I noticed quickly that they did not adjust the claw strength, so every play was a winner if not winning multiple ducks. That was in 2017 and I am still drinking at that bar for free (although tipping very well).

4. My buddy and I went to Chick-Fil-A several years ago and each got receipt codes to take a survey to get a free sandwich. We noticed the codes were very close and backfit the algorithm to get ourselves dozens of free sandwiches.

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July 20th, 2023 at 7:20:54 PM permalink

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(And yes she knows why she gets such royal treatment and is fine with it).
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I know this is a week old but I worked with some kids trying to compete in the Special Olympics and while they may have been considered developmentally disabled (some had Down's, some had Autism), most of them were sharp in their own ways.

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July 22nd, 2023 at 12:22:16 PM permalink

EvenBob's post in another thread on cats reminded me of a story of a carwash, where crows had learned to steal quarters out of the machines somehow. They can also be trained to pick up trash for food in parks. Not sure how that will work out for you. Maybe you can train them to look in a skylight and tell you what cards are being played.

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July 22nd, 2023 at 12:27:36 PM permalink

Found the story.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/change-is-in-the-air/

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July 22nd, 2023 at 3:44:31 PM permalink

Quote: rxwine
EvenBob's post in another thread on cats reminded me of a story of a carwash, where crows had learned to steal quarters out of the machines somehow. They can also be trained to pick up trash for food in parks. Not sure how that will work out for you. Maybe you can train them to look in a skylight and tell you what cards are being played.
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Crows are extremely intelligent birds, you can fool them but not for long. They are very clever which is pretty amazing cuz they have really tiny brains. They have bird brains, in fact..

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July 23rd, 2023 at 2:20:06 AM permalink

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Quote: rxwine
EvenBob's post in another thread on cats reminded me of a story of a carwash, where crows had learned to steal quarters out of the machines somehow. They can also be trained to pick up trash for food in parks. Not sure how that will work out for you. Maybe you can train them to look in a skylight and tell you what cards are being played.
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Crows are extremely intelligent birds, you can fool them but not for long. They are very clever which is pretty amazing cuz they have really tiny brains. They have bird brains, in fact..
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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July 24th, 2023 at 4:12:22 AM permalink

Ignore the top comment.
AP move is the bottom comment

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July 29th, 2023 at 6:35:50 AM permalink

Some folks in Bisbee have been trying to raise funds for a Japanese Rock Garden to be built on an empty lot downtown. It was a slow go as many other causes are competing for limited dollars.
So some politician is running for President and needs to get X amount of individual donors in order to qualify for the debates and made a ridiculous offer to attract contributions. Donate one dollar to his campaign and you get a $20 gift card.
As of yesterday, some 325 Bisbee residents have donated a dollar to his cause and raised over $6,000 for the garden.

I've done work for charities where funds are matched and sometimes doubled or tripled, but never seen a 20-1 matching fund.

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July 29th, 2023 at 6:54:51 AM permalink

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You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts

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July 29th, 2023 at 8:08:04 AM permalink

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You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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July 29th, 2023 at 8:18:42 AM permalink

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Quote: AxelWolf
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
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Yes this is interesting.

One almost verbatim comment I get from security guards at casinos is "We're running a business here". The intent is that they have license to make profit so what they do is okay.

If the IRS believed that then they wouldn't have a self-employed option.

I'm running a business too. Buying low and selling high makes sense and in fact is the very model of Walmart and any other store. They buy at wholesale and sell at a marked up price retail.

And let's not even get into pawn shops and GameStop which buys from desperate people at ridiculous low prices and then marks it up even if the same person wants to buy their stuff back.

So, AP I don't know if I consider it truly an Advantage Play but as Axel points out it's not illegal and it's what businesses do.

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July 29th, 2023 at 8:24:01 AM permalink

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Quote: odiousgambit
Quote: AxelWolf
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
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You aren't buying something and selling it for more. That is an honorable profession.
You are buying stuff and fraudulently returning it to someone who didn't sell the item. If you honestly don't see anything wrong with that, I'm not sure what to say.

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July 29th, 2023 at 9:34:31 AM permalink

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You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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I agree with you. I don't consider theft to be an A.P. move.

At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.

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July 29th, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
Quote: AxelWolf
Quote: odiousgambit
Quote: AxelWolf
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
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yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
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You aren't buying something and selling it for more. That is an honorable profession.
You are buying stuff and fraudulently returning it to someone who didn't sell the item. If you honestly don't see anything wrong with that, I'm not sure what to say.
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Well one could argue if Walmart is charging $4 for something that normally sells for .99 then they apparently don't mind ripping off their customers so they are just getting their comeuppance.

That move wouldn't even be possible if they charged properly.

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July 29th, 2023 at 9:55:35 AM permalink

Quote: darkoz
Quote: billryan
Quote: AxelWolf
Quote: odiousgambit
Quote: AxelWolf
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
link to original post
yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
link to original post

You aren't buying something and selling it for more. That is an honorable profession.
You are buying stuff and fraudulently returning it to someone who didn't sell the item. If you honestly don't see anything wrong with that, I'm not sure what to say.
link to original post

Well one could argue if Walmart is charging $4 for something that normally sells for .99 then they apparently don't mind ripping off their customers so they are just getting their comeuppance.

That move wouldn't even be possible if they charged properly.
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We already knew what you are. I thought Axel was better.

As they say in Silverado- You used to ride with that guy?

The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:06:34 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
Quote: darkoz
Quote: billryan
Quote: AxelWolf
Quote: odiousgambit
Quote: AxelWolf
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
link to original post
yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
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Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
link to original post

You aren't buying something and selling it for more. That is an honorable profession.
You are buying stuff and fraudulently returning it to someone who didn't sell the item. If you honestly don't see anything wrong with that, I'm not sure what to say.
link to original post

Well one could argue if Walmart is charging $4 for something that normally sells for .99 then they apparently don't mind ripping off their customers so they are just getting their comeuppance.

That move wouldn't even be possible if they charged properly.
link to original post

We already knew what you are. I thought Axel was better.

As they say in Silverado- You used to ride with that guy?
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What does that mean, you already knew what I was and you thought Axel was better?

I've actually never done what Axel described and probably never will. I can defend someone even if I don't agree with what they do.

I use multiple players cards and pretty much that's all I have ever described here which interestingly is something you did at one point as well.

So what does you already knew what I was mean?

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:28:18 AM permalink

This isn't something I would not do for many reasons. Effort being put into it is one.
Before you guys get too carried away with the self-righteousness perhaps you could
consider all the times you stole from the people by not claiming all your gambling wins.

Consider this. Much like casino's stores employ tactics to screw you over all the time.
One example super markets often will show sale prices on the tags in the Isle but not
enter it in the system so the sale price never rings up. Many others are used just google it.

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:30:52 AM permalink

Quote: rainman
This isn't something I would not do for many reasons. Effort being put into it is one.
Before you guys get too carried away with the self-righteousness perhaps you could
consider all the times you stole from the people by not claiming all your gambling wins.

Consider this. Much like casino's stores employ tactics to screw you over all the time.
One example super markets often will show sale prices on the tags in the Isle but not
enter it in the system so the sale price never rings up. Many others are used just google it.
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Thank you.

I'm one of the AP's who actually file my taxes every year.

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM permalink

Quote: darkoz
Quote: billryan
Quote: darkoz
Quote: billryan
Quote: AxelWolf
Quote: odiousgambit
Quote: AxelWolf
You can find stuff at the 99 cent store (usually in the electronic section) return it to Walmart for a much higher return. We did a ton of those water flavoring drink Mixes. 99 per bottle at the 99c store and Walmart was charging close to $4
link to original post
yeah I was behind

Just posting this to make a remark, addressing A. in the third person

I'm done with this thread. This is very disgusting stuff and I don't want to see any more of it. I've lost all respect for Axelwolf as well. Maybe if I read on I'd find he only did this when he was a kid, I don't know. He had plenty of chances to say so and didn't in the next few posts
link to original post
Buying stuff at a low price and selling it for more is disappointing for you?

I don't know what to a say about that. I assumed that's how most businesses worked.

Please don't assume this is something I live for or do constantly. But if I happen to see a good opportunity that has a significant easy return, I will jump on it

I'm not sure what your disappointment is...

Are you telling me if you can find a 3$ item and get $20 for it, that's shameful?

I have said many times. As long as I'm not screwing individuals or breaking laws.... I am all in.

And if you think for one second all the well known
Public Advantage Players who have shows, Podcasts etc, haven't engaged in greay area's and shenanigans, you don't really know what's up.

I highly suggest yoi buy and read their books.

I don't need to. I was there, and II know what was up.
link to original post

You aren't buying something and selling it for more. That is an honorable profession.
You are buying stuff and fraudulently returning it to someone who didn't sell the item. If you honestly don't see anything wrong with that, I'm not sure what to say.
link to original post

Well one could argue if Walmart is charging $4 for something that normally sells for .99 then they apparently don't mind ripping off their customers so they are just getting their comeuppance.

That move wouldn't even be possible if they charged properly.
link to original post

We already knew what you are. I thought Axel was better.

As they say in Silverado- You used to ride with that guy?
link to original post

What does that mean, you already knew what I was and you thought Axel was better?

I've actually never done what Axel described and probably never will. I can defend someone even if I don't agree with what they do.

I use multiple players cards and pretty much that's all I have ever described here which interestingly is something you did at one point as well.

So what does you already knew what I was mean?
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Freudian slip?

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:39:05 AM permalink

Quote: rainman
This isn't something I would not do for many reasons. Effort being put into it is one.
Before you guys get too carried away with the self-righteousness perhaps you could
consider all the times you stole from the people by not claiming all your gambling wins.

Consider this. Much like casino's stores employ tactics to screw you over all the time.
One example super markets often will show sale prices on the tags in the Isle but not
enter it in the system so the sale price never rings up. Many others are used just google it.
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Okay. I've taken a moment to consider all the times I've stolen from anyone. The answer is none unless you want to get into deep philosophical discussions on proper compensation for intellectual properties. I hope that doesn't make me an exception here.

If I'm buying something and the price rings up differently, I'll almost always catch it at the time it happens and have it corrected or call them if I spot it at home. If I find a store is constantly making mistakes, I stop shopping there.
When I lived in Las Vegas, an old friend was in town and I invited him to a wrestling show on Fremont. We walked around the Experience and went into one of the shops to buy a couple of beers. We come out of the shop and he showed me a $3 trinket he shop lifted. I was stunned. The guy makes well over 100K a year and he shoplifts. I don't need that and told him so. I went to the show solo and have not spoken to him since.

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:39:35 AM permalink

Quote: darkoz
Quote: rainman
This isn't something I would not do for many reasons. Effort being put into it is one.
Before you guys get too carried away with the self-righteousness perhaps you could
consider all the times you stole from the people by not claiming all your gambling wins.

Consider this. Much like casino's stores employ tactics to screw you over all the time.
One example super markets often will show sale prices on the tags in the Isle but not
enter it in the system so the sale price never rings up. Many others are used just google it.
link to original post

Thank you.

I'm one of the AP's who actually file my taxes every year.
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You don't expect me to believe you claimed all your wins over the course of your lifetime do you?

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:43:36 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
Quote: rainman
This isn't something I would not do for many reasons. Effort being put into it is one.
Before you guys get too carried away with the self-righteousness perhaps you could
consider all the times you stole from the people by not claiming all your gambling wins.

Consider this. Much like casino's stores employ tactics to screw you over all the time.
One example super markets often will show sale prices on the tags in the Isle but not
enter it in the system so the sale price never rings up. Many others are used just google it.
link to original post

Okay. I've taken a moment to consider all the times I've stolen from anyone. Unless you want to get into deep philosophical discussions on proper compensation for intellectual properties, the answer is none. I hope that doesn't make me an exception here.
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Billy, you claim each and every gambling win you have ever had?
Because if you didn't that's theft.

All I'm pointing out is we all stink a little bit were human.

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:44:40 AM permalink

Trying to enforce honesty when over 95% of the gamblers don't even keep a diary is pointless.
In other news, striking SAG/AFTRA workers & writers are getting residual checks that are smaller than the sub-$1 TITO's I pull out of abandoned slot machines.

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:53:21 AM permalink

Quote: rainman
Quote: darkoz
Quote: rainman
This isn't something I would not do for many reasons. Effort being put into it is one.
Before you guys get too carried away with the self-righteousness perhaps you could
consider all the times you stole from the people by not claiming all your gambling wins.

Consider this. Much like casino's stores employ tactics to screw you over all the time.
One example super markets often will show sale prices on the tags in the Isle but not
enter it in the system so the sale price never rings up. Many others are used just google it.
link to original post

Thank you.

I'm one of the AP's who actually file my taxes every year.
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You don't expect me to believe you claimed all your wins over the course of your lifetime do you?
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Actually I am pretty certain I overpay because I am a bit lax keeping a diary and probably don't document enough of my losses.

In 2005 when my previous film career went bust I owed a lot of money in taxes and I have paid whatever they said I owed plus interest and penalties.

I was homeless through those years so both couldn't pay and didn't care. But when I got on my feet I didn't dispute what they said I owed from decades ago. I actually paid triple the original taxes, which is what the penalties and interest came to

For example NYS claimed my 2005 tax bill of $7,000 was now $28,000 and I paid it all. No debt conciliation or anything.

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July 29th, 2023 at 10:56:34 AM permalink

We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didn’t buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.

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July 29th, 2023 at 11:06:56 AM permalink

Quote: SOOPOO
We all have our own personal ethical lines. I would absolutely never knowingly return an item to a store I didn’t buy it from. I will accept money if a dealer pays me on a hand that was a push. If a supermarket cashier gives me too much change I will return the extra.
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Not trying to derail things...
What is the ethical difference, if any, between:
- accepting a push on a take hand
- accepting a pay on a push hand
- keeping the extra coins the cashier shouldn't have handed you

Is it who is on the other side of the transaction?

May the cards fall in your favor.

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July 29th, 2023 at 11:08:36 AM permalink

Quote: darkoz

Well one could argue if Walmart is charging $4 for something that normally sells for .99 then they apparently don't mind ripping off their customers so they are just getting their comeuppance.
That move wouldn't even be possible if they charged properly.

no, a store cannot be faulted for what they offer at particular price
the customer has the option not to buy - to shop around
Walmart is on the low end of retail stores re markup

normally it is not the exact same item in the 99 cents store - maybe an old version with a slightly different label - and that's why they bought and sold it so cheaply - this might be an exception for some reason

stores are going out of business left and right - in the very popular mall near me every other day a store closes

if a store is marking up its merchandise unrealistically customers will punish that store by not patronizing it

it happens every day

if I say I am returning something but actually I am not because I didn't buy it there - that is a lie - most would say it is unethical

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