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October 21st, 2023 at 1:44:19 PM permalink
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This is from Chat GPT but I could have written it myself. It agrees with me that making non-random bets against random outcomes gives you a far greater chance of success.
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Here again, EvenBob pairs an assertion with a completely incorrect conclusion. He quotes ChatGPT and then completely mis-represents what it said.

PROOF:-

Quote: OnceDear to ChatGPT

does making non-random bets at roulette give me a far greater chance of success.


Quote: ChatGPT Bolding is Mine

No, making non-random bets at roulette does not give you a greater chance of success. Roulette is a game of chance, and each spin of the wheel is independent of the previous ones. The outcome is determined by a random process, and the house always has an edge.



And again, being more specific...
Quote: OnceDear to ChatGPT


does making non-random bets against random outcomes give me a far greater chance of success.



Quote: ChatGPT Bolding is Mine


No, making non-random bets against random outcomes does not inherently give you a far greater chance of success. In games of chance, like roulette, where outcomes are determined by random processes, there is no strategy or pattern of betting that can alter the fundamental randomness of the game.

Each spin of the roulette wheel is independent of previous spins, and the outcome is not influenced by past results. Whether you make random or non-random bets, the odds of winning or losing on each spin remain the same.


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To cut through the nonsense- EB's post is just more of the usual nonsense, making more wild and unsubstantiated claims.
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October 21st, 2023 at 1:46:51 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: EvenBob


This is from Chat GPT but I could have written it myself. It agrees with me that making non-random bets against random outcomes gives you a far greater chance of success.
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Here again, EvenBob pairs an assertion with a completely incorrect conclusion. He quotes ChatGPT and then completely mis-represents what it said.

PROOF:-

Quote: OnceDear to ChatGPT

does making non-random bets at roulette give me a far greater chance of success.


Quote: ChatGPT Bolding is Mine

No, making non-random bets at roulette does not give you a greater chance of success. Roulette is a game of chance, and each spin of the wheel is independent of the previous ones. The outcome is determined by a random process, and the house always has an edge.



And again, being more specific...
Quote: OnceDear to ChatGPT


does making non-random bets against random outcomes give me a far greater chance of success.



Quote: ChatGPT Bolding is Mine


No, making non-random bets against random outcomes does not inherently give you a far greater chance of success. In games of chance, like roulette, where outcomes are determined by random processes, there is no strategy or pattern of betting that can alter the fundamental randomness of the game.

Each spin of the roulette wheel is independent of previous spins, and the outcome is not influenced by past results. Whether you make random or non-random bets, the odds of winning or losing on each spin remain the same.


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To cut through the nonsense- EB's post is just more of the usual nonsense, making more wild and unsubstantiated claims.

Why not ask Chatbot straight out. Someone claims to be able to detect patterns in roulette. What does chat have to say.
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October 21st, 2023 at 1:56:20 PM permalink
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Why not ask Chatbot straight out. Someone claims to be able to detect patterns in roulette. What does chat have to say.
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"Patterns in the outcomes of a fair and unbiased roulette wheel are the result of chance.. While it might seem like there are patterns when you observe past results, these are generally coincidental and do not provide any predictive power for future spins." chat GPT

Like I've always said the patterns you think you see are not really patterns in the true sense of the word. Even though they are coincidental they can still be exploited in the extreme short term. It's not going to tell you this, it's going to tell you what it's been programmed to say and that is roulette cannot be beaten. That's because it doesn't know any better.
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:09:42 PM permalink
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Here again, EvenBob pairs an assertion with a completely incorrect conclusion.
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You have to understand how these AI things work. If you specifically ask it about roulette it will always give you a negative response because nobody has programmed it with any method that can beat roulette. It does not think for itself it only parrots what's been fed into it. You get a much better response asking about non random bets because then you can see the possibility of beating roulette. You will notice that in my posts about AI I never mentioned roulette, it's you that has thrown that into the mix. You think it proves something and it doesn't. I'm obviously treading in territory that AI has no experience with so how could it have an opinion specifically about roulette other than what it's already been told.
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Word soup.
You have asserted that ChatGPT supports your jibber jabber about non-random wagering, where it quite simply does not. After all, by your own logic, it doesn't have any experience of your fantastical method. So how could it be supportive. You can't have it both ways: Either the AI does not have enough information to comment positively on your method, or it has commented positively on your method.
In future, maybe do as I do and quote your question to ChatGPT here along with Chat GPT's response. Not some half assed misinterpretation by you.
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:19:33 PM permalink
Nevermind
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:29:30 PM permalink
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Analysis and research only work when viable
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The problem is with the random numbers in roulette you don't know what's viable and what isn't. Fortunately I do.
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We know what's viable and what isn't. You're the one that's totally off base and full of it...
It being gambler's fallacy( put that in your GPTchat and smoke it)
There's been math done for 100's years by people much more intelligent than you. The math shows you can't beat roulette using any method or system on a fair wheel without clocking or biases.

Prove us wrong , oh wait, you tried that and failed more than once. Good game, go back.
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:35:42 PM permalink
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Word soup.

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Nonsense. It's very explicit about how betting non-randomically against random outcomes is often used to gain an advantage not just in gambling but also in investing. You cannot ask it specifically about roulette because it knows only what it's been fed and that is roulette cannot be beat. AI is not deductive intelligence, it only knows what it's been told. It's no different than a piece of crystal stemware and you tap it with a metal spoon and it gives off a certain musical note. The glass in the stemware is said to have 'intelligence' just like AI has Intelligence. But it's a dumb intelligence. AI has been told that non random bets can be used effectively against random outcomes. That's all it knows.
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM permalink
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We know what's viable and what isn't.
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Obviously you do not or we would not be having this conversation. If you did know you would see that what I'm saying is completely possible.
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:46:31 PM permalink
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That a 74 year old man doesn't get it is just plain sad.
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I love it when discriminatory ageism creeps into the conversation because then I know I'm winning. It means you've run out of ammo so you have to dig down and come up with personal jabs. You should remember that I'm not the only person on this forum in his 70s so you are not only trying to insult me you are also insulting them by implying that when you're 74 your capabilities are gone. If this were a professional debate you would be penalized for making such a comment. Calling someone out for their age is no different than calling them out for their race, their ethnicity, or their sex. That you don't know THAT is what's sad here..
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October 21st, 2023 at 2:53:29 PM permalink
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That a 74 year old man doesn't get it is just plain sad.
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I love it when discriminatory ageism creeps into the conversation because then I know I'm winning. It means you've run out of ammo so you have to dig down and come up with personal jabs. You should remember that I'm not the only person on this forum in his 70s so you are not only trying to insult me you are also insulting them by implying that when you're 74 your capabilities are gone. If this were a professional debate you would be penalized for making such a comment. Calling someone out for their age is no different than calling them out for their race, their ethnicity, or their sex. That you don't know THAT is what's sad here..
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No. He's not suggesting you lost any capability. He's implying that you never had any in the first place.
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October 21st, 2023 at 3:07:59 PM permalink
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No. He's not suggesting you lost any capability. He's implying that you never had any in the first place.
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You say tomato I say tomatoe, it all amounts to the same thing. Ageism is actually illegal in most places now.
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October 21st, 2023 at 4:44:19 PM permalink
I can understand why EB doesn't understand how Chatgpt works

He doesn't understand that Chatgpt isn't fed information.

It researches currently existing information on the web, millions of files.

To suggest AI can't find information on the web about roulette is just one more ridiculous claim.
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October 21st, 2023 at 5:20:47 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I can understand why EB doesn't understand how Chatgpt works

He doesn't understand that Chatgpt isn't fed information.

It researches currently existing information on the web, millions of files.

To suggest AI can't find information on the web about roulette is just one more ridiculous claim.
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AI cannot find any info about EvenBob's method. And it's not allowed to go and try it for itself.

I can't understand why EB is trumpeting ChatGPT as being supportive of his fairy tale, but then asserting that it doesn't know any better than "roulette can't be beaten by worthless 'Methods'", because it has yet to be shown the truth.

In one giant Leap, EvenBob is claiming that not only does he know more about roulette than the entire global body of knowledge, but that what he knows proves the entire global body of knowledge completely wrong.

How big a claim is that? Delusions of Grandeur? Actually, there's a medical term for it.

Thank [common expletive] that EvenBob is not a wikipedia editor and that ChatGPT is not soaking up his nonsense as fact.
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October 21st, 2023 at 5:26:13 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I can understand why EB doesn't understand how Chatgpt works

He doesn't understand that Chatgpt isn't fed information.

It researches currently existing information on the web, millions of files.

To suggest AI can't find information on the web about roulette is just one more ridiculous claim.
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Good grief, where do you get your information from about chat GPT. I just asked it where it gets it's information and here's it's answer,

"I don't have the capability to search for new information in real-time. My responses are generated based on the text data that I was trained on, which includes a wide range of information up to my knowledge cutoff date in September 2021. I don't have access to the internet or the ability to retrieve real-time or updated information. My responses are generated from the knowledge I have up to that cutoff date."

But I knew that already because I know how it works, duh. And because it has no access to the internet it can't find information about roulette or anything else. Sorry that a 74-year-old had to teach you something but good grief somebody's got to.
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October 21st, 2023 at 5:29:28 PM permalink
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In one giant Leap, EvenBob is claiming that not only does he know more about roulette than the entire global body of knowledge,
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I never claim that but I certainly do claim that I can do more with roulette than you can, which apparently isn't really very difficult. Your so-called Global body of knowledge has gaps you could drive a semi truck through.
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October 21st, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: darkoz

I can understand why EB doesn't understand how Chatgpt works

He doesn't understand that Chatgpt isn't fed information.

It researches currently existing information on the web, millions of files.

To suggest AI can't find information on the web about roulette is just one more ridiculous claim.
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Good grief, where do you get your information from about chat GPT. I just asked it where it gets it's information and here's it's answer,

"I don't have the capability to search for new information in real-time. My responses are generated based on the text data that I was trained on, which includes a wide range of information up to my knowledge cutoff date in September 2021. I don't have access to the internet or the ability to retrieve real-time or updated information. My responses are generated from the knowledge I have up to that cutoff date."

But I knew that already because I know how it works, duh. And because it has no access to the internet it can't find information about roulette or anything else. Sorry that a 74-year-old had to teach you something but good grief somebody's got to.
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Good grief, EB is actually using an outdated Chatgpt and even then believes the entire history of roulette before 2021 wasn't analyzed by chatgpt.

Try upgrading to the current version EB.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/chatgpt-no-more-constrained-2021-knowledge-cutoff-openai-browse-web-current-information/article67355847.ece/amp/

EDIT: I doubt EB even used Chatgpt for that answer. More likely he came across an old cached article and was like fantastic I got some ammo to use not realizing his ammo was expired.

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October 21st, 2023 at 6:15:44 PM permalink
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Good grief, EB is actually using an outdated Chatgpt
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Version 4 cost $20 a month and I never use it often enough for it to be even worth $2 a month to me. No matter what version you use it's always going to say the same thing about roulette that it can't be beat. No matter what version you use it's still going to say that betting non randomly against random outcomes can get positive results if you use the right methods. And you were wrong, you did not know that chat GPT 3.5 did not cruise the internet you'll just never admit it because you're never wrong. It's horrible when a 74 year old has a constantly correct people who are guilty of saying nasty things about 74-year-olds. Very sad. LOL
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October 21st, 2023 at 6:20:54 PM permalink
If a certain seventy-four-year-old didn't keep making asinine statements and pushing nonsense, I suspect most people would be happy to not respond to his posts.
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October 21st, 2023 at 6:24:06 PM permalink
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Good grief, EB is actually using an outdated Chatgpt
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Version 4 cost $20 a month and I never use it often enough for it to be even worth $2 a month to me. No matter what version you use it's always going to say the same thing about roulette that it can't be beat. No matter what version you use it's still going to say that betting non randomly against random outcomes can get positive results if you use the right methods. And you were wrong, you did not know that chat GPT 3.5 did not cruise the internet you'll just never admit it because you're never wrong. It's horrible when a 74 year old has a constantly correct people who are guilty of saying nasty things about 74-year-olds. Very sad. LOL
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You just admitted I was correct lol.

You are using an outdated version.

The current version does exactly what you claimed it didn't. It scours the internet for information.

You even admitted in the above post that Chatgpt will not give you the answer you seek about roulette (because the answer you seek is wrong).

EDIT: it's sad EB can't afford the current version of Chatgpt ($20) with all those (ahem) gambling winnings
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October 21st, 2023 at 6:34:54 PM permalink
I asked the same question to Bing AI which does have access to the internet.

"When it comes to random outcomes, gaining a consistent advantage through non-random bets is challenging. However, some strategies can help mitigate losses or improve odds: Understanding probabilities and statistical patterns can guide betting decisions. For example, card counting in blackjack exploits the statistical distribution of cards to gain an edge."

(What is a pattern in statistics? A pattern is a set of data that follows a recognizable form)

Basically the same answer as chat GPT gave. I included the definition of statistical patterns because I already know what somebody's going to say, that it means something different than what I do and obviously it does not. A pattern is a pattern is a pattern and I exploit the ones that appear in roulette outcomes.
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October 21st, 2023 at 6:42:33 PM permalink
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I asked the same question to Bing AI which does have access to the internet.

"When it comes to random outcomes, gaining a consistent advantage through non-random bets is challenging. However, some strategies can help mitigate losses or improve odds: Understanding probabilities and statistical patterns can guide betting decisions. For example, card counting in blackjack exploits the statistical distribution of cards to gain an edge."

(What is a pattern in statistics? A pattern is a set of data that follows a recognizable form)

Basically the same answer as chat GPT gave. I included the definition of statistical patterns because I already know what somebody's going to say, that it means something different than what I do and obviously it does not. A pattern is a pattern is a pattern and I exploit the ones that appear in roulette outcomes.
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Once again you are not asking about roulette which you have already admitted will tell you the answer you don't want to hear.

You rely on Chatgpt when asking the wrong questions and say it's unreliable when asking it directly about roulette.

Chatgpt has the correct answer if you ask it specifically about roulette. That you can't beat it.

When you ask about it your way it mentions card counting. It doesn't dare answer roulette because the Chatgpt already knows (as you admit) that roulette can't be beat.

Thank you for confirming that Chatgpt recognizes roulette can't be beat.
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October 21st, 2023 at 6:44:08 PM permalink
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You even admitted in the above post that Chatgpt will not give you the answer you seek about roulette
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I seek no answer about roulette specifically from AI because it will always say the same thing that it can't be beat. Because that's the general consensus and it cannot figure out anything on its own. It only parrots what others say about it. Just like you do. You have no thoughts of your own about roulette all you know is what you've been told. And what you've been told is obviously wrong.

By asking AI questions that do not directly involve roulette it gives me the correct answers that indeed I can beat roulette by making non-random bets against random outcomes and exploiting the patterns it produces. You really have to understand how to use these things instead of taking the sledgehammer approach to everything.
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October 21st, 2023 at 6:46:35 PM permalink
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Once again you are not asking about roulette
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Do I have to explain that again? Really? Do you actually read these posts? Are you really Axel in disguise, because I have to constantly explain things to him over and over and over before he finally gets it.
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October 21st, 2023 at 7:04:04 PM permalink
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Once again you are not asking about roulette
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Do I have to explain that again? Really? Do you actually read these posts? Are you really Axel in disguise, because I have to constantly explain things to him over and over and over before he finally gets it.
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Chatgpt says you can't beat roulette.

That's your expert witness not mine.

Since Chatgpt says you can't beat roulette I am glad we are both in agreement that it can't be beat.
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October 21st, 2023 at 7:43:25 PM permalink
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We know what's viable and what isn't.
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Obviously you do not or we would not be having this conversation. If you did know you would see that what I'm saying is completely possible.
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That's like saying I don't know that you can't flap your wings ans fly. Of course I know you can't do the impossible. We are having the conversation because you keep claiming you can do the impossible, but all the evidence points to you having a big case of gambler's fallacy and a need to convince those who hurt you wrong.

1)No math to support your claims.
2)No data or documents to support your claims.
3) There is Evidence your math abilities are subpar.
4) There is evidence your gambling terminology is mixed up, and evidence you come up with your own definitions and use alternative words to fit your naritive.
5) Substantial Motivation to maintain your claims.
6) Your own admission you make very little. Evidence you bet very little.
7) outrageous 80% hit rate
8) claiming can do one thing but attempting to show proof of something totally different that you claim you never do.
9) Failed attempt providing proof to The Wizard.
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October 21st, 2023 at 7:55:02 PM permalink
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Once again you are not asking about roulette
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Do I have to explain that again? Really? Do you actually read these posts? Are you really Axel in disguise, because I have to constantly explain things to him over and over and over before he finally gets it.
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One must explain things that actually make logical sense. Telling us you flatbet using a system that's actually a progression system and telling us you never use a progression system, but then demonstrates a progression system. Telling us you have won 42 coin flip bets in a row. Telling us you don't predict... you make educated guesses with an 80% hit rate. Telling us you never lied but then we find evidence of some.

It's all a little confusing.
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October 21st, 2023 at 8:18:48 PM permalink
This is from Bard AI:

"Yes, it is possible to gain an advantage by making non-random bets against random outcomes. This is because randomness is not truly random. There are often patterns or biases that can be exploited by those who are aware of them.
In roulette, a player can bet on "hot" numbers, which are numbers that have come up more often than others in recent spins. In blackjack, a player can use card counting to track the cards that have been dealt. This information can be used to make informed decisions about when to hit, stand, or double down.
By using these and other strategies, it is possible to gain an advantage over the house and increase your chances of winning."
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October 21st, 2023 at 8:23:55 PM permalink
ChatGPT doesn't know how to separate fact from fiction. Roulette players oftentimes can't either
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October 21st, 2023 at 8:33:44 PM permalink
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This is from Bard AI:

"Yes, it is possible to gain an advantage by making non-random bets against random outcomes. This is because randomness is not truly random. There are often patterns or biases that can be exploited by those who are aware of them.
In roulette, a player can bet on "hot" numbers, which are numbers that have come up more often than others in recent spins. In blackjack, a player can use card counting to track the cards that have been dealt. This information can be used to make informed decisions about when to hit, stand, or double down.
By using these and other strategies, it is possible to gain an advantage over the house and increase your chances of winning."
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So what can you say when two participants in a conversation discuss misinformation.? With at least one or maybe both hallucinating?


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October 21st, 2023 at 8:37:14 PM permalink
From H2O GPT

"It is possible to gain an advantage by making non-random bets against random outcomes in certain situations. This is known as "advantage play". In advantage play, a player exploits a vulnerability in the game or the betting system to gain an edge over the house. This can be done by identifying patterns or biases in the random outcome that can be exploited to make informed betting decisions. Non-random bets involve making decisions based on information or analysis that goes beyond simple probability calculations. This can give you an edge over a purely random strategy, but it also requires a significant amount of skill and knowledge."
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October 21st, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM permalink
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From H2O GPT

"It is possible to gain an advantage by making non-random bets against random outcomes in certain situations. This is known as "advantage play". In advantage play, a player exploits a vulnerability in the game or the betting system to gain an edge over the house. This can be done by identifying patterns or biases in the random outcome that can be exploited to make informed betting decisions. Non-random bets involve making decisions based on information or analysis that goes beyond simple probability calculations. This can give you an edge over a purely random strategy, but it also requires a significant amount of skill and knowledge."
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Thank you for pointing out games like BJ where you can have an advantage.

Now be brave and be smart and ask H2O GPT about roulette and watch it dash all your beliefs. Because it will tell you there is no advantage to be had from a purely random game.

The chatbot is YOUR expert witness you keep bringing up. It testifies you cannot beat roulette.

Thanks for agreeing that your expert testifies to such and that roulette cannot be beat.

(Can anyone imagine a lawyer bringing in an expert witness and then telling the jury to ignore what he says because he isn't an expert if you ask him direct questions) SMH.
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October 21st, 2023 at 9:50:37 PM permalink
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Chatgpt says you can't beat roulette.
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All the AI platforms will say that because that's what the general consensus is. So what. You really have no idea what's going on here do you. I'm 74 and I understand it. Why don't you. You would make a terrible homicide detective. Colombo you are not. You would ask the wife, did you kill your husband and she would say no and you would throw up your hands and say, good enough for me. You can go. AI says roulette can't be beat, you throw your hands up and say good enough for me. You have no idea and no desire to find the back door. To find the workaround. Like I did..
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October 21st, 2023 at 11:48:29 PM permalink
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Chatgpt says you can't beat roulette.
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All the AI platforms will say that because that's what the general consensus is. So what. You really have no idea what's going on here do you. I'm 74 and I understand it. Why don't you. You would make a terrible homicide detective. Colombo you are not. You would ask the wife, did you kill your husband and she would say no and you would throw up your hands and say, good enough for me. You can go. AI says roulette can't be beat, you throw your hands up and say good enough for me. You have no idea and no desire to find the back door. To find the workaround. Like I did..
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Lol, Columbo, really?

When was the last time you watched an episode? 1979?

I actually watched a number of episodes a few months ago.

In one episode Columbo asks the suspect to go over the crime scene with him while the body was still warm. Lol, yeah detectives allow suspects onto crime scenes touching the evidence every day of the week.

Columbo picked up a number of clues BAREHANDED.

And he finally made a connection that solved the murder that for lack of a better term was EB logic, something like "well the evidence points to this guy but if I plant evidence in his car he will freak out and drive to get rid of it exposing his guilt becauseI know everyone else is innocent because I say so and don't trust logical evidence" Yes half the episodes Columbo plants evidence to catch his man. Taking evidence (without permission or signing it out) and planting it on who he thinks is guilty.

So with half the training of so-called Columbo I make a better detective. Almost certainly most of his arrests didn't go to trial or were overturned later.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 2:15:35 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This is from Bard AI:

"Yes, it is possible to gain an advantage by making non-random bets against random outcomes. This is because randomness is not truly random. There are often patterns or biases that can be exploited by those who are aware of them.

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One can easily bait and guide an AI to spew back wrong and/or deceiving information.
Public AI's in the current stage hallucinate and state as a fact plain fictitious statements on regular basis, the technology is still too young to rely on it especially if you incompetently or maliciously construct misguiding prompts.
So better stop using it as a support point especially when you don't know how to or purposefully (mis)handle it.

Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to? You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 2:35:18 AM permalink
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It's an embarrassment to the forum that its most frequent poster posts such utter tripe and goes unchallenged by the management.


so very, very true

the purpose of his nonsensical constant posting is to draw attention to himself

that's what this is really all about

he's just pretending that the inane posts he spews out have importance

he loves seeing his name at the top of the page

it's a great shame that he has negatively impacted the forum with his thousands of posts that consist of nothing more than illogical, incoherent ramblings

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October 22nd, 2023 at 3:03:55 AM permalink
Having never encountered AI before except for other Instagrammers posting faux yearbook photos when they're not in high school anymore by years, I took a deep first encounter into Google Bard without reading the TOS properly unfortunately.
I asked Google Bard "Can I win at gambling?"
It wrote back:

It is possible to win at gambling, but it is important to remember that the odds are always in favor of the house. This means that over the long term, you are more likely to lose money gambling than you are to win.

However, there are some things you can do to increase your chances of winning, such as:

Choose games with lower house edges. Some games, such as blackjack and video poker, have relatively low house edges, which means that you have a better chance of winning in the long run.
Learn the basic strategy for the games you play. For games like blackjack and video poker, there are basic strategies that you can learn that will help you make the best decisions possible and improve your chances of winning.
Manage your bankroll wisely. Decide how much money you are willing to lose before you start gambling, and stick to that limit. Don't chase your losses, and don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose.
It is also important to remember that gambling is a form of entertainment. If you find yourself gambling more than you can afford, or if you are no longer enjoying it, please seek help. There are many resources available to help people with gambling problems.

Here are some additional tips for gambling responsibly:

Set a time limit for yourself and stick to it.
Take breaks often.
Don't gamble when you're drunk or upset.
Don't gamble if you're underage.
If you follow these tips, you can reduce your risk of losing money gambling and have a more enjoyable experience.

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Now if this has already been pasted before by a different AI in recent weeks, here's a reminder.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 3:55:09 AM permalink
EB can you give us the square root of 49?.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 4:13:38 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Having never encountered AI before except for other Instagrammers posting faux yearbook photos when they're not in high school anymore by years, I took a deep first encounter into Google Bard without reading the TOS properly unfortunately.
I asked Google Bard "Can I win at gambling?"
It wrote back:

It is possible to win at gambling, but it is important to remember that the odds are always in favor of the house. This means that over the long term, you are more likely to lose money gambling than you are to win.

However, there are some things you can do to increase your chances of winning, such as:

Choose games with lower house edges. Some games, such as blackjack and video poker, have relatively low house edges, which means that you have a better chance of winning in the long run.
Learn the basic strategy for the games you play. For games like blackjack and video poker, there are basic strategies that you can learn that will help you make the best decisions possible and improve your chances of winning.
Manage your bankroll wisely. Decide how much money you are willing to lose before you start gambling, and stick to that limit. Don't chase your losses, and don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose.
It is also important to remember that gambling is a form of entertainment. If you find yourself gambling more than you can afford, or if you are no longer enjoying it, please seek help. There are many resources available to help people with gambling problems.

Here are some additional tips for gambling responsibly:

Set a time limit for yourself and stick to it.
Take breaks often.
Don't gamble when you're drunk or upset.
Don't gamble if you're underage.
If you follow these tips, you can reduce your risk of losing money gambling and have a more enjoyable experience.

***************
Now if this has already been pasted before by a different AI in recent weeks, here's a reminder.
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How does it not know that you are supposed to stay hydrated?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 22nd, 2023 at 4:24:43 AM permalink
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Chatgpt says you can't beat roulette.
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All the AI platforms will say that because that's what the general consensus is. So what. You really have no idea what's going on here do you. I'm 74 and I understand it. Why don't you. You would make a terrible homicide detective. Colombo you are not. You would ask the wife, did you kill your husband and she would say no and you would throw up your hands and say, good enough for me. You can go. AI says roulette can't be beat, you throw your hands up and say good enough for me. You have no idea and no desire to find the back door. To find the workaround. Like I did..
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No, I don't have any idea what's going on.

If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order, if you wish to be believed.

Without that, the claim comes off like rude schoolyard taunting, paraphrased as "I know something you don't know - neener, neener, neener!"
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 5:14:08 AM permalink
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No, I don't have any idea what's going on.

If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order, if you wish to be believed.

Without that, the claim comes off like rude schoolyard taunting, paraphrased as "I know something you don't know - neener, neener, neener!"
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Dieter,
You, A moderator here, likened a 74 year old member with a rude, taunting schoolkid. As I understand it, you have something like 25,000 bits of supporting evidence, and the agreement of many members here who dare not say it for fear of suspension.

THANK YOU.
When does 'taunting' become trolling?

I actually visualise it. [redacted]
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:16:05 AM permalink
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Here are some additional tips for gambling responsibly:

Set a time limit for yourself and stick to it.
Take breaks often.
Don't gamble when you're drunk or upset.
Don't gamble if you're underage.
If you follow these tips, you can reduce your risk of losing money gambling and have a more enjoyable experience.
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I would add to that never ever play when you're tired. Even playing online at home if I'm the least bit tired I don't even think about it because it's way too easy to overlook stuff and to make huge mistakes. If you're just a ploppy and throw chips around it doesn't matter if you're tired or not but if you have any kind of method or system being tired will screw you up.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:23:29 AM permalink
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Lol, Columbo, really?
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I used Colombo because he's the iconic TV detective. If I ever saw the show I don't remember it.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:25:32 AM permalink
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If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order,
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You really want to go back to all that again? You just made Gordon spit his morning coffee across the table yelling no no no at the screen. LOL
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:29:39 AM permalink
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If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order, if you wish to be believed.


He doesn't care about being believed

I don't even think he believes his nonsense

what he cares about is being the center of attention

this is what he craves

and this is what explains the motivation behind this thread and his endless posting of illogical blather

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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:34:54 AM permalink
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If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order,
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You really want to go back to all that again? You just made Gordon spit his morning coffee across the table yelling no no no at the screen. LOL
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I'm one of the less skeptical skeptics here.
You may be able to delude yourself into thinking you have an edge, but I don't think the rest of us are out of line to expect some sort of evidence before accepting your remarkable claims.

As is, I do not believe you.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:39:17 AM permalink
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If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order,
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You really want to go back to all that again? You just made Gordon spit his morning coffee across the table yelling no no no at the screen. LOL
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I'm one of the less skeptical skeptics here.
You may be able to delude yourself into thinking you have an edge, but I don't think the rest of us are out of line to expect some sort of evidence before accepting your remarkable claims.

As is, I do not believe you.
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As if anyone else does?
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:40:32 AM permalink
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You may be able to delude yourself into thinking you have an edge,
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Even better than that I've deluded the casino into believing it so that they pay me every time I play. 80% of the time when I make a bet a little sign pops up in the middle of the screen that says 'You Win'! It also speaks the words 'you win' and it's so annoying that I always have the sound turned off.
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:45:42 AM permalink
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If you're onto something, a demonstration or an explanation are in order,
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You really want to go back to all that again? You just made Gordon spit his morning coffee across the table yelling no no no at the screen. LOL
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I'm one of the less skeptical skeptics here.
You may be able to delude yourself into thinking you have an edge, but I don't think the rest of us are out of line to expect some sort of evidence before accepting your remarkable claims.

As is, I do not believe you.
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Who does?
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BetMgm, Fanduel, Golden Nugget, Wynnbet, to name just a few..
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October 22nd, 2023 at 8:50:19 AM permalink
Might you have a photo of your Canadian girlfriend?
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October 22nd, 2023 at 10:00:02 AM permalink
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I wonder what the over/under would be on how many more years this horrible, pathetic thread will be highly active

the Mods won't stop it

the thread is already almost 13 years old

I would forecast the odds as such:

over 7 years___________-160

under 7 years__________+130

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