USPaperGames Credentials
Quote: teliotHP started the thread, and the digressions that USPG has caused are quite inappropriate. This is explicitly stated in the forum rules, as it is quite clear that USPG has hijacked this thread.
#7 No hijacking: Try to keep threads on topic. If you want to veer off on a tangent, please make a new thread for it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215
You have been here long enough that I would have thought you knew this.
What your saying is ridiculous! You are the entire reason why the topic got off course to begin with!!! You are nothing but a BULLY on the form to whoever is your competition! I never attacked you, not once. You have attacked me multiple times!!!! I've said my part, I'm done unless someone else wants to say something about me that I think need a rebuttal?
Earlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?Quote: USpapergamesWhat your saying is ridiculous! You are the entire reason why the topic got off course to begin with!!! You are nothing but a BULLY on the form to whoever is your competition! I never attacked you, not once. You have attacked me multiple times!!!! I've said my part, I'm done unless someone else wants to say something about me that I think need a rebuttal?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for Trolling/Hijacking.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've reluctantly split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
Quote: OnceDearEarlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for trolling.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
I'm sorry, you really don't have to do this OnceDear. I know your looking out for me but I really am trying to leave the thread. I just don't think its fair for members to attack me if I can't retort. I really have been trying to leave the thread completely when Hokus said something.
Well, now we've all left it. I haven't yet shut you down. I see you've recently thrown down a gauntlet in a challenge thread. Don't start a squabble over there.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: OnceDearEarlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for trolling.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
I'm sorry, you really don't have to do this OnceDear. I know your looking out for me but I really am trying to leave the thread. I just don't think its fair for members to attack me if I can't retort. I really have been trying to leave the thread completely when Hokus said something.
Dear WMOAT,Quote: OnceDearWell, now we've all left it. I haven't yet shut you down. I see you've recently thrown down a gauntlet in a challenge thread. Don't start a squabble over there.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: OnceDearEarlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for trolling.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
I'm sorry, you really don't have to do this OnceDear. I know your looking out for me but I really am trying to leave the thread. I just don't think its fair for members to attack me if I can't retort. I really have been trying to leave the thread completely when Hokus said something.
The following is a personal insult that would be suspension worthy if one were doing his job correctly. Not only that, he used the word form instead forum. Didn't I also find where he misspelled his very own name, of his company, on his very own mission statement or something like? If AxelWolf is finding errors in your writing, you have serious problems. So, it's hard for me to believe this will remain true in the future. USPPG: "I also have never had a client prove my analysis wrong either."
Quote: USpapergamesYou are nothing but a BULLY on the form to whoever is your competition!
Quote: AxelWolfDear WMOAT,Quote: OnceDearWell, now we've all left it. I haven't yet shut you down. I see you've recently thrown down a gauntlet in a challenge thread. Don't start a squabble over there.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: OnceDearEarlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for trolling.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
I'm sorry, you really don't have to do this OnceDear. I know your looking out for me but I really am trying to leave the thread. I just don't think its fair for members to attack me if I can't retort. I really have been trying to leave the thread completely when Hokus said something.
The following is a personal insult that would be suspension worthy if one were doing his job correctly. Not only that, he used the word form instead forum. Didn't I also find where he misspelled his very own name, of his company, on his very own mission statement or something like? If AxelWolf is finding errors in your writing, you have serious problems.
Interesting I didn't think someone would complain about me basically telling someone to stop bullying me. It's funny because he is so confident that my skills are completely full of air that he has the audacity to put me down in his comments. If anyone did any personal insults intentionally its teliot, I was merely trying to telling someone to stop bullying me and if the phrase I chose or words I choose was wrong I'm sorry.
You may ask him to stop bullying you, you may not call him a bully. I do believe someone has been previously suspended for calling someone a bully.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: AxelWolfDear WMOAT,Quote: OnceDearWell, now we've all left it. I haven't yet shut you down. I see you've recently thrown down a gauntlet in a challenge thread. Don't start a squabble over there.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: OnceDearEarlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for trolling.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
I'm sorry, you really don't have to do this OnceDear. I know your looking out for me but I really am trying to leave the thread. I just don't think its fair for members to attack me if I can't retort. I really have been trying to leave the thread completely when Hokus said something.
The following is a personal insult that would be suspension worthy if one were doing his job correctly. Not only that, he used the word form instead forum. Didn't I also find where he misspelled his very own name, of his company, on his very own mission statement or something like? If AxelWolf is finding errors in your writing, you have serious problems.
Interesting I didn't think someone would complain about me basically telling someone to stop bullying me. It's funny because he is so confident that my skills are completely full of air that he has the audacity to put me down in his comments. If anyone did any personal insults intentionally its teliot, I was merely trying to telling someone to stop bullying me and if the phrase I chose or words I choose was wrong I'm sorry.
Quote: AxelWolfYou may ask him to stop bullying you, you may not call him a bully. I do believe someone has been previously suspended for calling someone a bully.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: AxelWolfDear WMOAT,Quote: OnceDearWell, now we've all left it. I haven't yet shut you down. I see you've recently thrown down a gauntlet in a challenge thread. Don't start a squabble over there.Quote: USpapergamesQuote: OnceDearEarlier today, USPaperGames thanked a post where I suggested that he takes discussion of his Bone Fides away from that thread. Was I not clear enough?
In one mood, I might be inclined to give a brief suspension to USPG for trolling.
For now, wind it down a notch. I've split the thread. Any further discussion of USPaperGames credentials goes in this new thread. I'll rename it on request.
I'm sorry, you really don't have to do this OnceDear. I know your looking out for me but I really am trying to leave the thread. I just don't think its fair for members to attack me if I can't retort. I really have been trying to leave the thread completely when Hokus said something.
The following is a personal insult that would be suspension worthy if one were doing his job correctly. Not only that, he used the word form instead forum. Didn't I also find where he misspelled his very own name, of his company, on his very own mission statement or something like? If AxelWolf is finding errors in your writing, you have serious problems.
Ok, If AxelWolf wants me suspended ill do it valiantly. I have to admit with my language processing disorder I often don't see the conitations behind the words that I use, just the definitions behind them. I don't want to upset anyone but unforcahnitly there are people here that will make some low bow to up set me.
Interesting I didn't think someone would complain about me basically telling someone to stop bullying me. It's funny because he is so confident that my skills are completely full of air that he has the audacity to put me down in his comments. If anyone did any personal insults intentionally its teliot, I was merely trying to telling someone to stop bullying me and if the phrase I chose or words I choose was wrong I'm sorry.
Quote: USpapergamesWhat your saying is ridiculous! You are the entire reason why the topic got off course to begin with!!! You are nothing but a BULLY on the form to whoever is your competition! I never attacked you, not once. You have attacked me multiple times!!!! I've said my part, I'm done unless someone else wants to say something about me that I think need a rebuttal?
Better watch out. I got a suspension for the B-word.
It was noticed and noted. I chose not to apply a penalty on this occasion. Fortunately, there's also no suspensions for bad spelling or grammar.Quote: CrystalMathBetter watch out. I got a suspension for the B-word.
Quote: OnceDearIt was noticed and noted. I chose not to apply a penalty on this occasion. Fortunately, there's also no suspensions for bad spelling or grammar.
Lol, I got suspended when I masked it.
Them's the breaks $:o)Quote: darkozQuote: OnceDearIt was noticed and noted. I chose not to apply a penalty on this occasion. Fortunately, there's also no suspensions for bad spelling or grammar.
Lol, I got suspended when I masked it.
Quote: USpapergamesOk, If AxelWolf wants me suspended ill do it valiantly. I have to admit with my language processing disorder I often don't see the conitations behind the words that I use, just the definitions behind them. I don't want to upset anyone but unforcahnitly there are people here that will make some low bow to up set me.
Wait, no! This is so dumb. You're suspending yourself when I actually have questions that need answers. Come back! This isn't accomplishing anything. You can't do anything more to change the past then apologize which you just did!
Not only can you take ownership of a thread, you can take over ownership of someone else's thread that they have started about themselves.Quote: DJTeddyBearI didn’t think of it as hijacking, so much as expanding the conversation. And, admittedly, I didn’t read every post in detail.
But I was really turned off by HP’s expression of ownership of this thread.
Hell, some people get their very own corner.
I don't want you suspended(I think you would be Martingaled into Oblivion), I want OD to suspend himself for being the WMOAT. It seems that Eliot was calling a rule violation on you for hijacking, but he may have missed the insult. Or he just didn't want you hijacking a thread. Anyways, I probably should be mucking up the thread with my BS either.Quote: USpapergamesOk, If AxelWolf wants me suspended ill do it valiantly. I have to admit with my language processing disorder I often don't see the conitations behind the words that I use, just the definitions behind them. I don't want to upset anyone but unforcahnitly there are people here that will make some low bow to up set me.
I miissed nothing. Make your mind up what you want.Quote: AxelWolfI don't want you suspended(I think you would be Martingaled into Oblivion), I want OD to suspend himself for being the WMOAT. It seems that Eliot was calling a rule violation on you for hijacking, but he may have missed the insult. Or he just didn't want you hijacking a thread. Anyways, I probably should be mucking up the thread with my BS either.
Oh and as to your earlier comment about owning threads: You can rent space in someone's head. Doesn't assign ownership either direction. $:o)
Where did I say you missed anything? I have made up my mind, I don't want to see USPG suspended, I want you to suspend yourself for being The WMOAT, and that doesn't necessarily have to do with this particular thread. 😋Quote: OnceDearI miissed nothing. Make your mind up what you want.
Oh and as to your earlier comment about owning threads: You can rent space in someone's head. Doesn't assign ownership either direction. $:o)
Quote: USpapergamesAs a competitive gamer/gambler there are only 2 types of competitive games, fair and not fair games. Now nature doesn't make everyone fair so as a game designer we design games which all the players either share the same actions or equivalent actions. Capitalism is suppose to be a fair game but often it isn't because large companies will buy out politicians to sway laws in their favor or break the law in extreme excess ( like Enron) because the cost of losing a court ruling is less than the cost saving of breaking the law. Regardless I look at the casino industry as a fair game. I don't want to be a part of an industry where Dr. Eliot can talk smack about my math skills and I have to just take it even though my math skills may surpass his in certain branches of mathematics. There its completely fair and I have the right to retaliate and talk smack about his skills or its a double standard. In the end, I don't want success from my games because people liked me. I don't even want a job but if I did I wouldn't want them to hire me because of the tax breaks they would receive because I'm registered as homeless and on food stamps and medical. Not because they could improve their PR for hiring a homeless, mix-raced native america. Not because I had a stellar personality lol. I would only want them to hire me because your not going to find the combination of my skills in anyone else & that's hard to do with an employer wanting to hiring you just for that, but as an intendant contractor that should be no problem. But more importantly, it shouldn't matter who I am as long as I don't have a terrible image like Hitler to go with what I'm selling because all that should matter is if my games are good. The customer never even gets to know the game designers, which is why I say game design is one of the least unbiased entertainment medias available, because if your a music you better also look good and have an adorable personality to sell music 🤢
So basically what I'm getting at is I don't want to be in this industry if its not fair. If I cant sell my games to casinos just purely on the merit that all my games that I publish are superior to its competition then I will just leave the industry forever. In fact I just wish that someone would license Royal Slots and give it a field test. I would put a do or die on the test and if the field test was unsuccessful then I would promise to quit the industry for good, that's how confident I am that Royal Slots will succeed, it just might need a makeover.
I completely missed the part about uspg saying he is registered as homeless? How can this be? How is it possible a homeless person is trying to sell casino games? Is this a joke? Is he taking advantage of social services? Lying is a federal offense, I should know since I work at the DHA! I'm definitely going to look him up Monday, if he's lying I'll know about it and share!
Quote: HokusPokusI completely missed the part about uspg saying he is registered as homeless? How can this be? How is it possible a homeless person is trying to sell casino games? Is this a joke? Is he taking advantage of social services? Lying is a federal offense, I should know since I work at the DHA! I'm definitely going to look him up Monday, if he's lying I'll know about it and share!
ive read a few homeless stories around here - not sure if homelessness is prevalent in the casino game design industry but more likey in the casino industry in general
Quote: HokusPokusI Lying is a federal offense, I should know since I work at the DHA! If he's lying I'll know about it and share
what in the world are you talking about man?
lying is a federal offense?
lying is only a federal offense under 18 USC Section 1001:
"it is a felony to make a "false statement" to an agent or agency of the federal government in connection with a federal matter"
that is very narrow - you make it sound broad
you threaten the guy for being homeless and trying to sell casino games?
like the homeless don't have enough problems without people like you
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Quote: HokusPokusI should know since I work at the DHA! I'm definitely going to look him up Monday, if he's lying I'll know about it and share!
OK HokusPokus, Tell me if this was an Alexa created typo: You said that you worked at the DHA. Did you mean the Department of Home Affairs in the USA?
It's a simple question, please make your answer crystal clear.
Ha! I see that there is also a Department of Human Assistance in some parts of the US. Wouldn't it be a breach of computer access rules to just randomly use federal facilities to research someone on a whim? I'd hate to think some bureaucrat went into the office on Monday to research my identity, just based on my forum posting history.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/robocop-las-vegas-apartment-complex-deploys-human-sized-robot-fight-crime
Slightly off-topic and hijacking, but amusing. Robocop worked for OCP or DPD (Detroit Police Department). Maybe that's where HokusPokus works. Easy mistake to make when you use Alexa.Quote: ChumpChangeRobocop? Las Vegas Apartment Complex Deploys Human-Sized Robot To Fight Crime | ZeroHedge
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/robocop-las-vegas-apartment-complex-deploys-human-sized-robot-fight-crime
Quote: HokusPokusWait, no! This is so dumb. You're suspending yourself when I actually have questions that need answers. Come back! This isn't accomplishing anything. You can't do anything more to change the past then apologize which you just did!
USPG gets suspended and then you show up and post about game design. Now you seem to have a vetted interest in USPG. Maybe I am wearing a tin foil hat....or maybe not.
Understandable suspicion Vegas, but I don't suspect such mischief. USPG is not currently suspended.Quote: vegasUSPG gets suspended and then you show up and post about game design. Now you seem to have a vetted interest in USPG. Maybe I am wearing a tin foil hat....or maybe not.
Quote: vegasUSPG gets suspended and then you show up and post about game design. Now you seem to have a vetted interest in USPG. Maybe I am wearing a tin foil hat....or maybe not.
I’d be willing to bet HP and USPG ‘live’ in the same zip code...
still is fun reading the posts of USPG and HP as long as you don’t take them seriously....
Quote: OnceDearUnderstandable suspicion Vegas, but I don't suspect such mischief. USPG is not currently suspended.
I think it’s pretty obvious based on the writing style.
Oh, don't worry. I see the similarities in style, and that they share A LOT of spelling error tendencies. But as yet, I'm satisfied in the differences, too.Quote: gamerfreakI think it’s pretty obvious based on the writing style.
Quote: lilredroosterwhat in the world are you talking about man?
lying is a federal offense?
lying is only a federal offense under 18 USC Section 1001:
"it is a felony to make a "false statement" to an agent or agency of the federal government in connection with a federal matter"
that is very narrow - you make it sound broad
you threaten the guy for being homeless and trying to sell casino games?
like the homeless don't have enough problems without people like you
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uspg says he is registered as homelsss. If he is getting any government assistance and lied on his application it is a serious federal offense with minimum jail time, I should know. I feel the need to confirm or deny his claim.
Quote: OnceDearOK HokusPokus, Tell me if this was an Alexa created typo: You said that you worked at the DHA. Did you mean the Department of Home Affairs in the USA?
It's a simple question, please make your answer crystal clear.
Ha! I see that there is also a Department of Human Assistance in some parts of the US. Wouldn't it be a breach of computer access rules to just randomly use federal facilities to research someone on a whim? I'd hate to think some bureaucrat went into the office on Monday to research my identity, just based on my forum posting history.
Department of Human Assistance! Look up the agency, we are responsible for food stamps, medical, government assistance, and all forms of state and government aid. Part of my job is to identify false claims, it's part of my job discrimination. Have you ever applied for any state or government aide?
Quote: vegasUSPG gets suspended and then you show up and post about game design. Now you seem to have a vetted interest in USPG. Maybe I am wearing a tin foil hat....or maybe not.
What's your point? So maybe it's taking me some time to learn who is who but I've been posting about game design from day 1 and uspg just suspended himself. For a guy with all the answers, he really doesn't seem that smart which is why I'm still not convinced he has all the answers but my curiously won't allow me to pass up the opportunity to know more.
Quote: HokusPokus
Department of Human Assistance! Look up the agency
I feel the need to confirm or deny his claim
it's part of my job discrimination.
I did look up your agency - I googled and came up empty except for a Sacramento County Ca Dept. of Human Assistance
you feel the need to confirm or deny his claim
and you say that's 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧𝘮𝘺 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 - I've worked for the Feds - I've never seen a bureaucrat screw up in their use of language that badly
while your at it maybe you could find a federal law to sue somebody for the 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 that you must have suffered
post the web link to DHA - can't wait to see it
Department of Human Assistance. Yes, I see that from one of your earlier posts. I doubt it's part of your job descrimination [sic] to police the truthfulness of random anonymous posters on internet forums.Quote: HokusPokusQuote: OnceDearOK HokusPokus, Tell me if this was an Alexa created typo: You said that you worked at the DHA. Did you mean the Department of Home Affairs in the USA?
It's a simple question, please make your answer crystal clear.
Ha! I see that there is also a Department of Human Assistance in some parts of the US. Wouldn't it be a breach of computer access rules to just randomly use federal facilities to research someone on a whim? I'd hate to think some bureaucrat went into the office on Monday to research my identity, just based on my forum posting history.
Department of Human Assistance! Look up the agency, we are responsible for food stamps, medical, government assistance, and all forms of state and government aid. Part of my job is to identify false claims, it's part of my job discrimination. Have you ever applied for any state or government aide?
I can tell you now that I've never made a legitimate claim for any US state or federal government aide [sic].
LMAO.
Did you ever confirm if your degree is in Physiology or Psychology?
Quote: lilredroosterI did look up your agency - I googled and came up empty except for a Sacramento Ca Dept. of Human Assistance
you feel the need to confirm or deny his claim
and you say that's 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧𝘮𝘺 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 - I've worked for the Feds - I've never seen a bureaucrat screw up in their use of language that badly
while your at it maybe you could find a federal law to sue somebody for the 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 that you must have suffered
What are you talking about? Every county in California has a DHA office. Please explain what you mean by "screw up in their use of language"? Your not even making any sense right now.
Quote: OnceDearDepartment of Human Assistance. Yes, I see that from one of your earlier posts. I doubt it's part of your job descrimination [sic] to police the truthfulness of random anonymous posters on internet forums.Quote: HokusPokusQuote: OnceDearOK HokusPokus, Tell me if this was an Alexa-created typo: You said that you worked at the DHA. Did you mean the Department of Home Affairs in the USA?
It's a simple question, please make your answer crystal clear.
Ha! I see that there is also a Department of Human Assistance in some parts of the US. Wouldn't it be a breach of computer access rules to just randomly use federal facilities to research someone on a whim? I'd hate to think some bureaucrat went into the office on Monday to research my identity, just based on my forum posting history.
Department of Human Assistance! Look up the agency, we are responsible for food stamps, medical, government assistance, and all forms of state and government aid. Part of my job is to identify false claims, it's part of my job discrimination. Have you ever applied for any state or government aide?
I can tell you now that I've never made a legitimate claim for any US state or federal government aide [sic].
LMAO.
Did you ever confirm if your degree is in Physiology or Psychology?
Psychology, and yes I probably look dumb for not spelling the right word to which I have a degree. I'm a busy dad, especially on the weekends when my kid is home all day. But you have to understand that it's a serious crime to falsify claims. Every year countless people on aid go back to work and never tell their caseworkers so they can still collect unemployment, cash aid, food stamps & the list goes on. If he is getting government aid and is lying I am going to do something about it.
Quote: HokusPokus
What are you talking about? Every county in California has a DHA office. Please explain what you mean by "screw up in their use of language"? Your not even making any sense right now.
oh, now you say you work for a little county in CA
you were running your mouth about federal offenses - it sounded like you were trying to say you worked for the Feds and had a lot of power
what do I mean "screw up in the use of language"
look back at your post of today at 9:47:08 a.m.
you posted this:
𝘪𝘵'𝘴 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘺 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯
why would you publicly accuse someone who you know very little about
it really sucks - if you really are a Government employee - even if only for a little county - it sucks even more
sounds like you're trying to make yourself sound real 𝑩𝑰𝑮
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Yes. I'd seen that, too, which is why I observed that parts of America had such a department. It doesn't even seem to be a State wide department, but what would I know?Quote: lilredroosterI did look up your agency - I googled and came up empty except for a Sacramento County Ca Dept. of Human Assistance
you feel the need to confirm or deny his claim
and you say that's 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧𝘮𝘺 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 - I've worked for the Feds - I've never seen a bureaucrat screw up in their use of language that badly
while your at it maybe you could find a federal law to sue somebody for the 𝘫𝘰𝘣 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 that you must have suffered
post the web link to DHA - can't wait to see it
As to typos... And not being pedantic or trying to bully someone for using Alexa. . .
Quote: HokusPokusI have a bachelor's in phycology, what physiological skills are relevant to game design?
I would never expect to see myself misspell my own physics degree as a Bachelor's in psychics. One just doesn't spend years getting such a qualification and then spell it so wrong! Does one? Even with Alexa?
And to conflate psychology with physiology and phycology, let alone 'description' with 'discrimination' and 'aid' with 'aide'! You job is managing aid, for goodness sake.
Somehow HokusPokus's posts just don't seem right and I'm not the only one to notice that.
Now, if someone presented a benefit claim to HokusPokus and he thought it was fraudulent, then, sure, he'd be entitled and obliged to investigate with the tools at his disposal. If an anonymous person, or even an identified person made any claim whatsoever, unrelated to such submitted paperwork, then I cannot see what business it is of his or his department.
"I shot the sheriff." Does that admission entitle him to search his departments computer for evidence, thereof?
he doesn't even know if the guy lives in CA
is he going to cross State Lines with his big time investigation?
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Quote: OnceDearYes. I'd seen that, too, which is why I observed that parts of America had such a department. It doesn't even seem to be a State wide department, but what would I know?
As to typos... And not being pedantic or trying to bully someone for using Alexa. . .Quote: HokusPokusI have a bachelor's in phycology, what physiological skills are relevant to game design?
I would never expect to see myself misspell my own physics degree as a Bachelor's in psychics. One just doesn't spend years getting such a qualification and then spell it so wrong! Does one? Even with Alexa?
And to conflate psychology with physiology and phycology, let alone 'description' with 'discrimination' and 'aid' with 'aide'! You job is managing aid, for goodness sake.
Somehow HokusPokus's posts just don't seem right and I'm not the only one to notice that.
Now, if someone presented a benefit claim to HokusPokus and he thought it was fraudulent, then, sure, he'd be entitled and obliged to investigate with the tools at his disposal. If an anonymous person, or even an identified person made any claim whatsoever, unrelated to such submitted paperwork, then I cannot see what business it is of his or his department.
"I shot the sheriff." Does that admission entitle him to search his departments computer for evidence, thereof?
Who shot the deputy? It's nearly fifty years and still no answer.
Quote: ChumpChangeRobocop? Las Vegas Apartment Complex Deploys Human-Sized Robot To Fight Crime | ZeroHedge
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/robocop-las-vegas-apartment-complex-deploys-human-sized-robot-fight-crime
Take about 30 seconds throw a blanket
over the thing and sell it for 500 bucks.
Quote: OnceDearYes. I'd seen that, too, which is why I observed that parts of America had such a department. It doesn't even seem to be a State wide department, but what would I know?
As to typos... And not being pedantic or trying to bully someone for using Alexa. . .Quote: HokusPokusI have a bachelor's in phycology, what physiological skills are relevant to game design?
I would never expect to see myself misspell my own physics degree as a Bachelor's in psychics. One just doesn't spend years getting such a qualification and then spell it so wrong! Does one? Even with Alexa?
And to conflate psychology with physiology and phycology, let alone 'description' with 'discrimination' and 'aid' with 'aide'! You job is managing aid, for goodness sake.
Somehow HokusPokus's posts just don't seem right and I'm not the only one to notice that.
Now, if someone presented a benefit claim to HokusPokus and he thought it was fraudulent, then, sure, he'd be entitled and obliged to investigate with the tools at his disposal. If an anonymous person, or even an identified person made any claim whatsoever, unrelated to such submitted paperwork, then I cannot see what business it is of his or his department.
"I shot the sheriff." Does that admission entitle him to search his departments computer for evidence, thereof?
Okay detectives. If someone works somewhere other than home, they should be able to correctly describe the layout of the area they work in, including back offices, and such. A layout can be confirmed at some point. An true insider can provide specific details if asked.
(details that would be unknown to a casual visitor)
Quote: Mission146Honest Question: Why can't the best AI bots carry on a meaningful conversation? If they can't even learn how to converse properly, how might they learn how to program just by being given a thing to program?
I guess it depends on what you mean by "meaningful". Is the conversation's topic limited in scope or is it unrestricted? Would you consider an AI that can answer questions and carry out tasks based strictly on verbal interaction to be carrying out a meaningful conversation? For example, an AI travel agent that can book flights and hotels for you? Or, a better example, the talking computer from Star Trek. If so, these exist. If, however, you want something that passes a Turing Test then you will have to wait awhile.
Quote: Mission146Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?
Very good question. Starting a Machine Learning (ML) from scratch is an active and complex area of research so what follows is a gross simplification. I think of it as a multi-stage process....
- clustering is just grouping things without any assignment of a label to a group. For example, an AI that looks at thousands of pictures of animals and groups them by species without any real understanding (or labeling) as "cat', "dog", "horse", etc.
- classification is when a meaningful label gets assigned to clusters. In other words, pictures of cats are correctly labeled as "cat". Or some non-imagery examples, labeling an AI-generated sentence as "good grammar" or a AI generated software module as "good code". How this gets done varies. In some cases a human provides a point of reference (e.g. "this is a picture of a cat"). The technical term for this is supervised learning. In contrast, with unsupervised learning there is no human input to provide the point of reference. As example, once it has the clusters of images, an AI could assign labels by crawling the web and analyzing the text in any captions or URLs it finds of matching images (e.g.http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1486888/images/o-GRUMPY-CAT-facebook.jpg).
- So now the AI can identify "cats" but has no real understanding of what a cat is (e.g., it's a "mammal" which is a "living thing" and is often used by "humans" as a "pet"). Putting a label into context requires an ontology. If this isn't being provided by the programmers (which in most situations is what happens) then we've got to provide the AI with the ability to do ontological learning.
All of the above can be dealt with by a sufficiently advanced AI. The final sticking point IMO is the issue of empirical knowledge. The AIs and robots of today have very limited sensory inputs. Furthermore those sensors don't necessarily align with human ones. SO how can an AI grok that a cat is soft and cuddly and makes a good companion for lonely old ladies?
Quote: Mission146I know AI can do some pretty amazing things. My understanding is that LC0 (also called Leela Zero) beat Stockfish in the Top Engine Chess Championship in both 2019 and the first quarter of 2020...with LC0 being an open source neural network. As I understand it, LC0 started knowing nothing about the game except the basic rules and conditions for winning. I guess Stockfish has beaten LC0 the three most recent tournaments, though.
Now you're talking about the 3rd way that an AI learns. For something like playing a game, the approach is to use reinforcement learning. The idea is that the AI learns by taking actions and then evaluating how well it was "rewarded" for that action (e.g., what percentage of the time will making this move in that situation result in victory?). AIs that learn via reinforcement will start their education in a simulated environment before being turned loose in the real world. Self-driving cars for instance.
Quote: USpapergamesSo I will happily answer all you questions but 1st could you just do some research on GTP3? I think you will learn a lot, AGI is earlier already here in its infancy state or GTP4 might be that breakthrough. But honestly my best is GPT3 is the 1st AGI program and it has already been proven to do incredible things, like programing any software from just simple a few sentences of description.
GPT-3 (not "GTP" as in the quoted text) is not an Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). It is a family of Artificial Neural Networks (ANN) that have been design specifically for Natural Language Processing (NLP) ad working with text. AGI (also called "hard AI) is very different. I like the definition they use in Wikipedia: "the ability of an intelligent agent to understand or learn any intellectual task that a human being can." AGI does not yet exist and may never be achieved but my colleagues and I are having a lot of fun working on it :)
Quote: CrystalMathBetter watch out. I got a suspension for the B-word.
Wow, your looking out for me? I've always liked you and was hoping you would come around. My opinion of WoV has really been flipping 180 degrees lately.
Also let me clarify something. I had to ask my self why I didn't just ask Dr. Jacobson to stop bullying me & the answer that I came up with is that it makes me look pathetic to ask someone to stop attacking you. And its more complicated then that, I have been dealing with self destructive behavior for a very long time. I remember as a kid playing soccer and caring so much about dribbling the ball past the other kids but for some reason I would just crack under pressure or just give up completely once I reached the goalie & this is by far not the only example of me shooting my self in the foot when I need to run. I have a serious problem in that i have an apatite for put downs. A part of me enjoys it when someone attacks what I care about because I use that energy to drive my passion farther. So what I'm saying is that a part of me is so messed up that I want Dr. Jacobson to continue with his outlandish claims about my skill set but I don't want him to later use the excuse that he didn't know what he was doing, which is why I just wanted to inform him that he was being a bully.
Nvm, I guess AlexWolf already said something
Quote: TumblingBonesI recognize that since the question was asked this thread has deviated into other areas but I'm going to assume there is still some interest in an answer.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "meaningful". Is the conversation's topic limited in scope or is it unrestricted? Would you consider an AI that can answer questions and carry out tasks based strictly on verbal interaction to be carrying out a meaningful conversation? For example, an AI travel agent that can book flights and hotels for you? Or, a better example, the talking computer from Star Trek. If so, these exist. If, however, you want something that passes a Turing Test then you will have to wait awhile.Quote: Mission146Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?
Very good question. Starting a Machine Learning (ML) from scratch is an active and complex area of research so what follows is a gross simplification. I think of it as a multi-stage process....
- clustering is just grouping things without any assignment of a label to a group. For example, an AI that looks at thousands of pictures of animals and groups them by species without any real understanding (or labeling) as "cat', "dog", "horse", etc.
- classification is when a meaningful label gets assigned to clusters. In other words, pictures of cats are correctly labeled as "cat". Or some non-imagery examples, labeling an AI-generated sentence as "good grammar" or a AI generated software module as "good code". How this gets done varies. In some cases a human provides a point of reference (e.g. "this is a picture of a cat"). The technical term for this is supervised learning. In contrast, with unsupervised learning there is no human input to provide the point of reference. As example, once it has the clusters of images, an AI could assign labels by crawling the web and analyzing the text in any captions or URLs it finds of matching images (e.g.http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1486888/images/o-GRUMPY-CAT-facebook.jpg).
- So now the AI can identify "cats" but has no real understanding of what a cat is (e.g., it's a "mammal" which is a "living thing" and is often used by "humans" as a "pet"). Putting a label into context requires an ontology. If this isn't being provided by the programmers (which in most situations is what happens) then we've got to provide the AI with the ability to do ontological learning.
All of the above can be dealt with by a sufficiently advanced AI. The final sticking point IMO is the issue of empirical knowledge. The AIs and robots of today have very limited sensory inputs. Furthermore those sensors don't necessarily align with human ones. SO how can an AI grok that a cat is soft and cuddly and makes a good companion for lonely old ladies?
Now you're talking about the 3rd way that an AI learns. For something like playing a game, the approach is to use reinforcement learning. The idea is that the AI learns by taking actions and then evaluating how well it was "rewarded" for that action (e.g., what percentage of the time will making this move in that situation result in victory?). AIs that learn via reinforcement will start their education in a simulated environment before being turned loose in the real world. Self-driving cars for instance.
GPT-3 (not "GTP" as in the quoted text) is not an Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). It is a family of Artificial Neural Networks (ANN) that have been design specifically for Natural Language Processing (NLP) ad working with text. AGI (also called "hard AI) is very different. I like the definition they use in Wikipedia: "the ability of an intelligent agent to understand or learn any intellectual task that a human being can." AGI does not yet exist and may never be achieved but my colleagues and I are having a lot of fun working on it :)
Ok, lets talk about AI TumblingBones. Let me just say that your comment is defiantly getting my attention & I'd like to be your friend so lets play.
1st, I make the claim that GTP-3 might be the 1st AGI program. Which means it barely passes for AGI as if it were in its infancy. We both know that in theory there are many different ways in which AGI can exist, so your saying that an AGI program can not be created from an ANN??? See my point was that in theory its very difficult to distinguish an AGI program that barely passes for AGI. Which is why I said we needed to watch for GTP-4 which hopefully would have so many improvements that it's AGI capabilities would be obvious if even Elon Musk even said GTP-3 appears to resemble an AGI program.
Quote: Mission146Honest Question: Why can't the best AI bots carry on a meaningful conversation? If they can't even learn how to converse properly, how might they learn how to program just by being given a thing to program?
Next Question: Wouldn't the AI have to have a point of reference? I guess what I'm asking is wouldn't you have to program into the AI a definition of a thing in order to then ask it to program that thing? How would it program something it knows nothing about?
I know AI can do some pretty amazing things. My understanding is that LC0 (also called Leela Zero) beat Stockfish in the Top Engine Chess Championship in both 2019 and the first quarter of 2020...with LC0 being an open source neural network. As I understand it, LC0 started knowing nothing about the game except the basic rules and conditions for winning. I guess Stockfish has beaten LC0 the three most recent tournaments, though.
I'm not the AI expert, just an enthusiast. But I said I'm going to answer your questions and there's a chance my answers will be better than the AI experts. Meaningful conversations are not possible because that would require AGI and not some task oriented AI program which is only going to be focused on its prerogatives and not concerned for your feels. Think of Terminator the movie, Skynet is AI gone wrong. It's not considered sentient life but just software following pre-established programing. AGI is like David from Prometheus, a self learning program that rewrites its own code and stablished missions around its ever changing core values. AGI should be able to do everything that us humans can do & probably much more. We often think computers are cold machines but I think computers could actually learn to feel and process higher ranges of complex emotions than us humans.
So the answer is no, AGI should be able to comprehend anything abstract things and understand the meaning behind our words far better than any task oriented AI program. Already GTP-3 can figure out the meaning behind abstract commands which is why it can have conversations with humans without being programed anything about langue. Self learning algorithms are rather scary in how much simulation hours of learning they can achieve in real time. But the reason why GPT-3 insist a pro a language yet is because it can only learn as fast as how many hours it can spend talking to humans as opposed to learning how to play chess by playing itself over and over for 200 years simulated which could be a week in real time. There is an AI program that is close to beating the best players at table tennis but it cant get any better without playing in real time so 200 years of it learning is going to have to be 200 years in real time since it has to learn physics of how to hit the ball in the real world.
No, you don't need to program a definition of the thing, often you can take a program like AlphaZero and upload it into a simulation and it will learn how to play optimally just from losing over and over again until it figures out how to win. AlphaZero can currently beat any Atari & Nintendo game and the list is currently growing!
Quote: SOOPOOI’d be willing to bet HP and USPG ‘live’ in the same zip code...
still is fun reading the posts of USPG and HP as long as you don’t take them seriously....
So people think I am Hokus???
