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March 4th, 2021 at 1:47:18 PM permalink
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So I will happily answer all you questions but 1st could you just do some research on GTP3? I think you will learn a lot, AGI is earlier already here in its infancy state or GTP4 might be that breakthrough. But honestly my best is GPT3 is the 1st AGI program and it has already been proven to do incredible things, like programing any software from just simple a few sentences of description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnLwUfwgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8psgEDhT1MM



I'll be happy to, would you have any written articles you might recommend on the subject as opposed to videos? If not, just let me know and I'll try to find some on my own.
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March 4th, 2021 at 1:52:01 PM permalink
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I love how your average person thinks that when AI takes over all the labor jobs are going to disappear as if AI will have the same effects like what outsourcing and offshoring has done to local labor lol. Mock my words, the 1st jobs to go when AI takes over will be programmers. I think programming might even become an abandoned language in the future since anyone will be able to program anything using AI by just giving it commands.

All those years you guys spent learning how to program will become obsolete very soon. All the knowledge and skills that I have acquired will still be highly sought after.



You know the saying itís not about what you know itís about who you know?

No one gives a flying f about what you know. Want to know how I know this? You are literally trying the same stuff you most likely tried with the people at IGT here in this forum. Your trying to tell us you are correct - when in fact being correct is only about half the struggle.

You seem to be so awkward and socially inept that you can learn and say you can do this but you canít. You canít get along with a single person here.

You need people to move along in life yet your too tight assed about whoís correct and who isnít. You canít always be as correct as you think you are.

The world was not necessarily built on being correct we got here through the Stone Age and dark ages. People still survived and lived without knowing the stuff you know because it really only is a matter to you.

Sorry dude I tried not to speak up but you suck the fun out of gaming inventions for me so I stay the hell out of your way because there is literally no convincing you even if the other person is actually correct.
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March 4th, 2021 at 2:05:45 PM permalink
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I'll be happy to, would you have any written articles you might recommend on the subject as opposed to videos? If not, just let me know and I'll try to find some on my own.



So your the technical writer type? I like you more every day. So there aren't any scientific articles on GTP-3 that I am aware of but I have some that are still worth looking at.

Here are some basic overviews:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21355768/gpt-3-ai-openai-turing-test-language

https://towardsdatascience.com/gpt-3-the-new-mighty-language-model-from-openai-a74ff35346fc

Here is a comparative analysis:

https://www.kdnuggets.com/2021/02/gpt2-gpt3-openai-showdown.html

& here are the 2 articles I think you will like if your that technical reader, but sadly this is as much data on GTP-3 that I can find I have been obsessed with GTP for 6 months now :/ We need to just give it more time for the scientific community to provide the data we both want.

https://www.datacamp.com/community/blog/gpt3

https://www.coderus.com/a-guide-to-gpt-3-by-openai-and-the-future-of-ai-technology/
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March 4th, 2021 at 2:28:15 PM permalink
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You know the saying itís not about what you know itís about who you know?

No one gives a flying f about what you know. Want to know how I know this? You are literally trying the same stuff you most likely tried with the people at IGT here in this forum. Your trying to tell us you are correct - when in fact being correct is only about half the struggle.

You seem to be so awkward and socially inept that you can learn and say you can do this but you canít. You canít get along with a single person here.

You need people to move along in life yet your too tight assed about whoís correct and who isnít. You canít always be as correct as you think you are.

The world was not necessarily built on being correct we got here through the Stone Age and dark ages. People still survived and lived without knowing the stuff you know because it really only is a matter to you.

Sorry dude I tried not to speak up but you suck the fun out of gaming inventions for me so I stay the hell out of your way because there is literally no convincing you even if the other person is actually correct.



Wow, ok I need time to address this. I'll be back soon. I appreciate your transparency and I want to address what you said and its not as cut and dry and you make it out to be, I'd definitely say your incorrect but your not completely wrong either. Just give me some time, I need to take a walk.
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March 4th, 2021 at 2:28:17 PM permalink
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You know the saying itís not about what you know itís about who you know?

No one gives a flying f about what you know. Want to know how I know this? You are literally trying the same stuff you most likely tried with the people at IGT here in this forum. Your trying to tell us you are correct - when in fact being correct is only about half the struggle.

You seem to be so awkward and socially inept that you can learn and say you can do this but you canít. You canít get along with a single person here.

You need people to move along in life yet your too tight assed about whoís correct and who isnít. You canít always be as correct as you think you are.

The world was not necessarily built on being correct we got here through the Stone Age and dark ages. People still survived and lived without knowing the stuff you know because it really only is a matter to you.

Sorry dude I tried not to speak up but you suck the fun out of gaming inventions for me so I stay the hell out of your way because there is literally no convincing you even if the other person is actually correct.



Wow, ok I need time to address this. I'll be back soon. I appreciate your transparency and I want to address what you said and its not as cut and dry and you make it out to be, I'd definitely say your incorrect but your not completely wrong either. Just give me some time, I need to take a walk.
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March 4th, 2021 at 4:39:21 PM permalink
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Wow, ok I need time to address this. I'll be back soon. I appreciate your transparency and I want to address what you said and its not as cut and dry and you make it out to be, I'd definitely say your incorrect but your not completely wrong either. Just give me some time, I need to take a walk.



dude - be yourself - if thats who you are - dont try to change yourself for other people

but you have to work with others because peoples brains work off of dopamine mostly - they want pleasant things

you want control over your world but that requires you to be a bit - lenient when it comes to peoples ability to think on your level. as a matter of fact - it allows you to join in a relationship that actually is dependent on mutually beneficial favors that you do for each other. be it give someone a thousand dollar ebook, or crunch some numbers for your game.

just be yourself - your not being a sociopath if you are being nice - people get angry because PEOPLE SUCK and cant be controlled

you have to roll with the punches

laugh at the less intelligent in your mind and move on

edit

i really didnt reply to you to make you change who you are i like your determination and PRIDE
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March 4th, 2021 at 5:30:44 PM permalink
There is so much to say that I don't even know where to begin. I was raised to "keep it real" or else id get the shit kicked out of me. The time and place where I was raised from teaches that its actually better to be upfront with someone you don't like so that they can work it out with words or fist than to play passive aggressive games. I'm not sure if that helps you understand but its not intended to be an excuse, I'm just trying to try you why I act the way I do. I can't easily change who I am just as you cant change yourself to easily be like me and commit everything to your passion. If you want me to change my personality then change all the constant attacks which put into question my skills. The fact is I have already changed ALOT from who I was growing up to who I am now. Things are getting better and my personality is always adapting, trust me there have been so big changes in me over the years. But I know enough about the subject of phycology to know that excepting positive results from negative reinforcement is just stupid.

Let's address your statement that being correct is only half the struggle. I want to make 1 thing very clear, I didn't sacrifice all these years studying everything related to game design just to have to join a fraternity as a pledge new member. Kiss donkey is not something I want to do, especially if I am the gate keeper to the knowledge. I spent years hidden way taking everyone's insults telling me I would never get any of my games into distribution (and I'm not talking about casino distribution) but I did it right by biting my tongue until I was confident I knew more about the subject then many of the books I was reading. Now that I know everything I think I have earned my place as being about to talk about anything related to games. So I feel like being correct is all that matters but let's dive deeper into your statement. Maybe your statement should be "its not what you know but who you get along with". I'm willing to bet I know twice as many famous nerds than you do on a personal basis. If you think I don't have friends you are a fool, its very difficult for someone to become my friend since I won't dumb down anything for nobody. But for example I know Mike Caro the Mad Genius of Poker personally. I have a 2 hour skype conversation with him just last year. I don't get much opportunity to speak to him but he's a hermit and hardly anyone gets the opportunity to talk to him, he turns down interviews all the time! I also know Jamie Hyneman (another reclus that hardly anyone gets a chance to talk to) and have his personal cell phone number. I have worked with Hyneman on designing an electric skateboard when I worked for a company called Excalibur motors back in 2012! So to say that I can't work with other people on a productive biases is just completely wrong. The difference is I expect to be treated with respect if I know all the answers because that's exactly how I have been the majority of my life and I'm tired of showing respect to people that aren't on my level if they aren't going to respect me.

The sad truth is we really don't know how any us would get along over time if we were all making an effort to build a relationship as comrades, that's why I am changing and decided to put some effort into connecting with the members of WoV because I honestly wasn't doing that before and did not care at all if I made any friends on the site. But I've come to realize that it takes effort to have friend that aren't old school nerds, maybe not a whole lot of effort but still effort. So I'm trying my best this time and I think that's all I can do. a quote from 1 of my favorite movies of all time is "In this world Ellwood, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant, well for years I was smart... I recommend pleasant, and you may quote me." Elwood P. Dowd. But there is more to this and we need to dive deeper. I need more time.
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March 4th, 2021 at 6:42:52 PM permalink
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There is so much to say that I don't even know where to begin. I was raised to "keep it real" or else id get the shit kicked out of me. The time and place where I was raised from teaches that its actually better to be upfront with someone you don't like so that they can work it out with words or fist than to play passive aggressive games. I'm not sure if that helps you understand but its not intended to be an excuse, I'm just trying to try you why I act the way I do. I can't easily change who I am just as you cant change yourself to easily be like me and commit everything to your passion. If you want me to change my personality then change all the constant attacks which put into question my skills. The fact is I have already changed ALOT from who I was growing up to who I am now. Things are getting better and my personality is always adapting, trust me there have been so big changes in me over the years. But I know enough about the subject of phycology to know that excepting positive results from negative reinforcement is just stupid.

Let's address your statement that being correct is only half the struggle. I want to make 1 thing very clear, I didn't sacrifice all these years studying everything related to game design just to have to join a fraternity as a pledge new member. Kiss donkey is not something I want to do, especially if I am the gate keeper to the knowledge. I spent years hidden way taking everyone's insults telling me I would never get any of my games into distribution (and I'm not talking about casino distribution) but I did it right by biting my tongue until I was confident I knew more about the subject then many of the books I was reading. Now that I know everything I think I have earned my place as being about to talk about anything related to games. So I feel like being correct is all that matters but let's dive deeper into your statement. Maybe your statement should be "its not what you know but who you get along with". I'm willing to bet I know twice as many famous nerds than you do on a personal basis. If you think I don't have friends you are a fool, its very difficult for someone to become my friend since I won't dumb down anything for nobody. But for example I know Mike Caro the Mad Genius of Poker personally. I have a 2 hour skype conversation with him just least year. I don't get much opportunity to speak to him but he's a hermit and hardly anyone gets the opportunity to talk to him, he turns down interviews all the time! I also know Jamie Hyneman (another reclus that hardly anyone gets a chance to talk to) and have his personal cell phone number. I have worked with Hyneman on designing an electric skateboard when I worked for a company called Excalibur motors back in 2012! So to say that I can't work with other people on a productive biases is just completely wrong. The difference is I expect to be treated with respect if I know all the answers because that's exactly how I have been the majority of my life and I'm tired of showing respect to people that aren't on my level if they aren't going to respect me.

The sad truth is we really don't know how any us would get along over time if we were all making an effort to build a relationship as comrades, that's why I am changing and decided to put some effort into connecting with the members of WoV because I honestly wasn't doing that before and did not care at all if I made any friends on the site. But I've come to realize that it takes effort to have friend that aren't old school nerds, maybe not a whole lot of effort but still effort. So I'm trying my best this time and I think that's all I can do. a quote from 1 of my favorite movies of all time is "In this world Ellwood, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant, well for years I was smart... I recommend pleasant, and you may quote me." Elwood P. Dowd. But there is more to this and we need to dive deeper. I need more time.



Iíll call this some Ďreal worldí advice. I doubt you will take it.

I have interviewed and hired, and of course not hired, dozens of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists over a 30 year career. They were all qualified to one degree or another. You have to, or will eventually, figure it out that being the Ďbest everí or Ďsmartest everí is generally not what an employer is looking for. They want someone they can easily work with. Do you think that is you? All I can tell you is we have WORLD EXPERTS here who you canít help but squabble with. When you figure out that you LOSE whether you are right or wrong, maybe then you will get a job.
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March 4th, 2021 at 7:35:36 PM permalink
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Iíll call this some Ďreal worldí advice. I doubt you will take it.

I have interviewed and hired, and of course not hired, dozens of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists over a 30 year career. They were all qualified to one degree or another. You have to, or will eventually, figure it out that being the Ďbest everí or Ďsmartest everí is generally not what an employer is looking for. They want someone they can easily work with. Do you think that is you? All I can tell you is we have WORLD EXPERTS here who you canít help but squabble with. When you figure out that you LOSE whether you are right or wrong, maybe then you will get a job.



As a competitive gamer/gambler there are only 2 types of competitive games, fair and not fair games. Now nature doesn't make everyone fair so as a game designer we design games which all the players either share the same actions or equivalent actions. Capitalism is suppose to be a fair game but often it isn't because large companies will buy out politicians to sway laws in their favor or break the law in extreme excess ( like Enron) because the cost of losing a court ruling is less than the cost saving of breaking the law. Regardless I look at the casino industry as a fair game. I don't want to be a part of an industry where Dr. Eliot can talk smack about my math skills and I have to just take it even though my math skills may surpass his in certain branches of mathematics. There its completely fair and I have the right to retaliate and talk smack about his skills or its a double standard. In the end, I don't want success from my games because people liked me. I don't even want a job but if I did I wouldn't want them to hire me because of the tax breaks they would receive because I'm registered as homeless and on food stamps and medical. Not because they could improve their PR for hiring a homeless, mix-raced native america. Not because I had a stellar personality lol. I would only want them to hire me because your not going to find the combination of my skills in anyone else & that's hard to do with an employer wanting to hiring you just for that, but as an intendant contractor that should be no problem. But more importantly, it shouldn't matter who I am as long as I don't have a terrible image like Hitler to go with what I'm selling because all that should matter is if my games are good. The customer never even gets to know the game designers, which is why I say game design is one of the least unbiased entertainment medias available, because if your a music you better also look good and have an adorable personality to sell music 🤢

So basically what I'm getting at is I don't want to be in this industry if its not fair. If I cant sell my games to casinos just purely on the merit that all my games that I publish are superior to its competition then I will just leave the industry forever. In fact I just wish that someone would license Royal Slots and give it a field test. I would put a do or die on the test and if the field test was unsuccessful then I would promise to quit the industry for good, that's how confident I am that Royal Slots will succeed, it just might need a makeover.
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March 4th, 2021 at 7:56:56 PM permalink
So I what to throw out there that both heatmap and myself have sacrificed a DECADE of our lives to the pursuit of game design science. That's why we are ahead of the curve, because when you get a job working at a company where you are forced to produce results and have no time to dedicate to learning the science behind games, you can never compete with us. Having a job just gets in the way of the pursuit, you cant spend 12 hours a day learning everything about this subject and work your game design job. Which is why the only real skills most game designers know is computer programing and statistics lol. I remember spending YEARS at UOP library reading all the scientific articles related to games that aren't even published online. Everything, including anything on phycological conditioning to motivational awareness and I even found stats on how much leisure time people have and what they dedicate that time to. Haven't you guys noticed by now that I know all this stuff that can't just easily be google searched???
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