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HokusPokus
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March 3rd, 2021 at 9:44:53 PM permalink
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I just want to say that what you are doing is BY FAR the smartest thing I have ever seen ANY aspiring game designer do. What's scary is that your strategy was very similar to what mine was, with just one difference. But your actually doing one thing better than me, you discovered this website far sooner than I did in my career & I didn't even know this site was full of people in the casino industry till recently. So you are actually ahead of me in some things but I'm not sure if your skills are at the level mine were at your age so can't make any judgements. Keep doing what your doing, your on the right path!!!



Why is it that all the big names in this industry don't want to share advice and yet everyone wants to comment??? Who the F are you? I don't recall your name ever getting mentioned as one of the top game designers so why come off like your ahead of me in game design or that I should listen to your advice at all? I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing regardless of your pep talk. As far as advice is concerned Eliot is my man.
USpapergames
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March 4th, 2021 at 10:07:08 AM permalink
Quote: HokusPokus

Why is it that all the big names in this industry don't want to share advice and yet everyone wants to comment??? Who the F are you? I don't recall your name ever getting mentioned as one of the top game designers so why come off like your ahead of me in game design or that I should listen to your advice at all? I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing regardless of your pep talk. As far as advice is concerned Eliot is my man.



Wow, personal insult and you get a thank you for it, I guess I am just hated on this site :/ Don't worry, I don't complain about personal attacks to get you suspended so go ahead and blame me for all your life's problems. I'm the guy that bullied you, I'm the teacher that made fun of you, and I'm the guy that killed your uncle Ben. I'll take all the blame for everything just get it out. Also I voted for you to go for the game design career lol.
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USpapergames
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March 4th, 2021 at 10:15:12 AM permalink
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With the exception of blackjack insurance, all of my collusion analysis was done by simulation as well. There are simply too many possible ways for hands to be distributed to multiple players.

I was sure I had written an article about three card poker collusion, but somehow I didn't sell it to 888. This is the best I can do in my archival writing as far as describing this method of advantage play.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/apheat/collusion-101

And just for the thrill, here is the most vulnerable game I have analyzed, with an edge over 100% possible using collusion:

https://www.888casino.com/blog/novelty-games/double-draw-poker-collusion



What's really funny is that I am completely opposed to game simulation analysis. Not only do I not trust any game simulation data in the slightest. I am a firm believer that when it comes to complex variable factors, running a computer simulation is bound to have error in the programing and the ONLY way to truly analyze these games scenarios is by actually doing the math since that can be accounted for but no programmer can account for every line of code. I have found more errors in computer simulations than I have discovered errors in my math from computer simulations.
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teliot
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March 4th, 2021 at 10:50:48 AM permalink
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What's really funny is that I am completely opposed to game simulation analysis. Not only do I not trust any game simulation data in the slightest. I am a firm believer that when it comes to complex variable factors, running a computer simulation is bound to have error in the programing and the ONLY way to truly analyze these games scenarios is by actually doing the math since that can be accounted for but no programmer can account for every line of code. I have found more errors in computer simulations than I have discovered errors in my math from computer simulations.

Good for you. I am yet to see a single bit of programming or analysis from you, least of all a close form solution to a collusion strategy at a complicated poker style game. I think it's time to put up some analysis of your own. Otherwise, well you know, you are who you are. Let's start with a closed form solution to five handed double draw poker collusion. I posted my results in the article above, prove me wrong.

As far as errors, you apparently have made some, both in your simulations and in your closed form solutions, and that's why you have your doubts. That alone would be reason enough for no one to ever hire you.

I have never had a client come to me with proof or even evidence that my work is wrong. Not once.
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March 4th, 2021 at 10:57:28 AM permalink
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I not trust any game simulation data in the slightest.



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I have discovered errors in my math from computer simulations.


How is that possible if you don't trust the simulation in the slightest?
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USpapergames
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March 4th, 2021 at 11:57:35 AM permalink
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Good for you. I am yet to see a single bit of programming or analysis from you, least of all a close form solution to a collusion strategy at a complicated poker style game. I think it's time to put up some analysis of your own. Otherwise, well you know, you are who you are. Let's start with a closed form solution to five handed double draw poker collusion. I posted my results in the article above, prove me wrong.

As far as errors, you apparently have made some, both in your simulations and in your closed form solutions, and that's why you have your doubts. That alone would be reason enough for no one to ever hire you.

I have never had a client come to me with proof or even evidence that my work is wrong. Not once.



Wow, why are you attacking me? Seriously if you want to go to war with me I will win. I have posted several different analysis on WoV for review but I recently started charging for math analysis. I really don't like how your basically claiming I need to prove you wrong to prove my skills, this seems rather pathetic to me especially when its you would should be the one proving that you have the math skills to comprehend a data analysis from me. Also, what if I did all that work just to discover your analysis was correct? I waste a ton of time and don't prove my skills to you lol, Your challenge is a joke, super unprofessional calling my math skills out like that. I hope some day you will ask for forgiveness and realize how foolish it was making fun of the best mathematician on WoV.

As for as your assumptions about my errors lol, I'm not a programmer so there defiantly were no errors in my simulations because I have never written a simulation program before. But I have discovered COUNTLESS errors in other people's simulation programs. It's usually people like you who are so sure of the numbers because their computer gave them those numbers that they end up believing their computer over my math proving them wrong lol. Have you ever had your computer programs compared to other peoples data from their simulations?
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USpapergames
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March 4th, 2021 at 12:04:14 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

How is that possible if you don't trust the simulation in the slightest?



I don't trust simulation data because the simulation might not fully express the game correctly. In order for a simulation to correctly produce the right data it needs to operate exactly like how the game engine(s) operate with all the necessary functions operating correctly. When I find errors in peoples simulations, the errors are of all kinds and very difficult for the programmer to realize there was any errors. The error could be a simple typo to a function that was supposed to operate a certain way but for what ever reason was operating slightly different and the list of stuff that can go wrong is crazy high, so I don't trust and simulation data!
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March 4th, 2021 at 12:13:14 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Wow, why are you attacking me? Seriously if you want to go to war with me I will win. I have posted several different analysis on WoV for review but I recently started charging for math analysis. I really don't like how your basically claiming I need to prove you wrong to prove my skills, this seems rather pathetic to me especially when its you would should be the one proving that you have the math skills to comprehend a data analysis from me. Also, what if I did all that work just to discover your analysis was correct? I waste a ton of time and don't prove my skills to you lol, Your challenge is a joke, super unprofessional calling my math skills out like that. I hope some day you will ask for forgiveness and realize how foolish it was making fun of the best mathematician on WoV.

As for as your assumptions about my errors lol, I'm not a programmer so there defiantly were no errors in my simulations because I have never written a simulation program before. But I have discovered COUNTLESS errors in other people's simulation programs. It's usually people like you who are so sure of the numbers because their computer gave them those numbers that they end up believing their computer over my math proving them wrong lol. Have you ever had your computer programs compared to other peoples data from their simulations?



I should take this opportunity to inform you that Teliot literally has a doctorate and was previously a professor of both mathematics and computer sciences. I'm going to go ahead and say that he could most likely (if not definitely) comprehend any data analysis that you could provide.

Another thing that I'll add is that you proving Teliot's analysis correct, but doing it from scratch and in a different way, would indeed prove your skills to him.

Point being, Teliot's bona fides are pretty in order when it comes to this.
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March 4th, 2021 at 12:15:44 PM permalink
Anyway, let's all try to take the temperature down a little. I don't want to see Wizard suspend anyone and I'm actually starting to kind of like USPaperGames.
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March 4th, 2021 at 12:22:00 PM permalink
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I should take this opportunity to inform you that Teliot literally has a doctorate and was previously a professor of both mathematics and computer sciences. I'm going to go ahead and say that he could most likely (if not definitely) comprehend any data analysis that you could provide.

Another thing that I'll add is that you proving Teliot's analysis correct, but doing it from scratch and in a different way, would indeed prove your skills to him.

Point being, Teliot's bona fides are pretty in order when it comes to this.



Ok, this is good information to know. So all I can say is that I have a new theorem that bridges the gaps between combinatorics & statistics and I am the only person in the world that can solve many of this problems using pure mathematics. I had no clue Eliot had a PhD. in mathematics but I did a lecture at UC Davis challenging their math department to solve the hand rankings probabilities for the royal deck using pure math and they all conceded including all the PhD's that made up their entire math department. My emailed 2020's Able prize winner to nominate my new theorem for an Able prize and he is currently awaiting my theorems publication which I still have made no progress on. Talk to thatDonguy, I shared with him the basics of my theorem, he knows I'm the real deal.
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