New shutdowns of casinos
Quote: mcallister3200The states or casinos I’ve seen no smoking at the table but otherwise allowing it is a complete joke. Especially In casinos that aren’t spaced real well and have slots nearby any poor soul playing machines in the first row or two near table games becomes a human friggin ashtray at every blackjack shuffle or whenever someone steps away from the craps table, it’s completely ridiculous
I agree but at the same time it is a baby step in that, at least, we do not have to deal with someone puffing away at the table.
Quote: IndyJeffreyThe reality remains, too many residents of the USA just do not care. For a variety of reasons and justifications.
Until everyone cares about getting it under control, it'll continue to effect us in numerous negative ways.
Folks who think that they'll wait it out until a vaccine may be waiting for a long time. I have just not seen any credible reports that a vaccine is imminent.
The reality is there is minimal anything you can "do about it" or "do to take it seriously." I file it under, "I have to die of something." Living under long term lockdown is no kind of living. The thing is in the USA (and Canada for our northern readers) we have had two or more generations of so few health threats, or other threats for that matter, that people cannot handle what is not instantly under control.
"Caring about getting it under control" will not get it under control. We have to face facts that some things are out of human control.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe reality is there is minimal anything you can "do about it" or "do to take it seriously." I file it under, "I have to die of something." Living under long term lockdown is no kind of living. The thing is in the USA (and Canada for our northern readers) we have had two or more generations of so few health threats, or other threats for that matter, that people cannot handle what is not instantly under control.
"Caring about getting it under control" will not get it under control. We have to face facts that some things are out of human control.
I'm glad you aren't the commander in chief for the defense of an out of control forest fire!
Quote: darkozI'm glad you aren't the commander in chief for the defense of an out of control forest fire!
Well, I never took forestry. But I would figure the first step is to establish a perimeter. Make some backfires to contain the fire. Then go at the main fire.
What does a forest fire have to do with a virus?
Quote: AZDuffman
What does a forest fire have to do with a virus?
Nothing of course. Just another well disguised political statement.
Quote: mcallister3200The states or casinos I’ve seen no smoking at the table but otherwise allowing it is a complete joke. Especially In casinos that aren’t spaced real well and have slots nearby any poor soul playing machines in the first row or two near table games becomes a human friggin ashtray at every blackjack shuffle or whenever someone steps away from the craps table, it’s completely ridiculous
I wear a mask. In the casino...the reality is the only people who can remove their mask legally are smokers. When I say remove, I say the damn thing is hanging off their chin for their entire time there.
For this reason...at least as far as Nevada goes, they can take their mask mandate and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. I have no issue with the mandate. I’m on board, whether it’s effective or not. But this means EVERYBODY.
I object to the complete hypocrisy of how enforcement was implemented. No one should be allowed to remove their mask...and worse, for something completely health nonsensical like smoking and blowing smoke all thru the casino during a pandemic? Unreal. At worst it should be a puff/drink, pull up each time. It’s not.
This “pass” is simply Sisolak and casino bosses putting money over health. Not for all. Non smokers, non drinkers must comply. Those who puff are exempt. What is worse is that Sisolak implores mask wearing like it’s a new appendage for every human. “Leave it on!”
Now explain to me health and safety is some priority....without a giant smirk or eye roll going on. Rant over.
Quote: AZDuffmanWell, I never took forestry. But I would figure the first step is to establish a perimeter. Make some backfires to contain the fire. Then go at the main fire.
What does a forest fire have to do with a virus?
You made a pretty blanket statement that there are some things that simply cannot be controlled. The best thing to do is continue as if those uncontrollable things don't affect us.
If I am wrong please correct me.
I was making the point that a forest fire is often out of control. Thankfully our firefighters don't just ignore the problem and stop doing everything they are trained to do because"some things are just uncontrollable".
So, yeah, I am glad you aren't in charge of any firefighting
As for a veiled political statement Demango accuses that of being I can't figure out how. Nothing to do with politics
Quote: darkozYou made a pretty blanket statement that there are some things that simply cannot be controlled. The best thing to do is continue as if those uncontrollable things don't affect us.
If I am wrong please correct me.
I was making the point that a forest fire is often out of control. Thankfully our firefighters don't just ignore the problem and stop doing everything they are trained to do because"some things are just uncontrollable".
So, yeah, I am glad you aren't in charge of any firefighting
As for a veiled political statement Demango accuses that of being I can't figure out how. Nothing to do with politics
Exactly. You have to go on with life. Take sensible precautions, but that is it.
Quote: AZDuffmanExactly. You have to go on with life. Take sensible precautions, but that is it.
So why do keep railing against taking sensible precautions like wearing masks?
Quote: mcallister3200You two continuing to engage each other is the definition of insanity.
Pretty much the definition of boring , as well.
Quote: billryanPretty much the definition of boring , as well.
People who keep reading boring stuff probably aren't as bored as they think
Quote: AZDuffmanExactly. You have to go on with life. Take sensible precautions, but that is it.
Exactly, which is pretty much what Florida has done, unlike NY where the number of deaths from the virus have been
sky high!
Quote: darkozPeople who keep reading boring stuff probably aren't as bored as they think
I care about the subject and keep hoping someone will actually talk about casinos. As far as me being bored, that doesn't happen. In the last half hour, I've seen two Border Agents on horseback and a copter. That usually means something set off a sensor and a search is afoot.
And no. I don't see that as a personal insult.Quote: mcallister3200You two continuing to engage each other is the definition of insanity.
Without siding with either side of this 'Debate' it is clear that neither side will persuade the other. So if one side has a perceived irrational perception of the universe, but will not persuaded that he's wrong, then there is a certain irrationality in trying to persuade him. 'Insanity' might be a harsh perjorative word, but I'm not going to treat it as an insult this time. Are these opponents really opposing each-other with an intent to persuade each-other, or maybe belittle each-other, or are they playing to the greater audience? I suspect the latter/
I'm not making a moderators judgement, just putting out there the rhetorical question.
Quote: OnceDearAnd no. I don't see that as a personal insult.
Without siding with either side of this 'Debate' it is clear that neither side will persuade the other. So if one side has a perceived irrational perception of the universe, but will not persuaded that he's wrong, then there is a certain irrationality in trying to persuade him. 'Insanity' might be a harsh perjorative word, but I'm not going to treat it as an insult this time. Are these opponents really opposing each-other with an intent to persuade each-other, or maybe belittle each-other, or are they playing to the greater audience? I suspect the latter/
I'm not making a moderators judgement, just putting out there the rhetorical question.
Einstein’s definition: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.
Quote: OnceDearAnd no. I don't see that as a personal insult.
Without siding with either side of this 'Debate' it is clear that neither side will persuade the other. So if one side has a perceived irrational perception of the universe, but will not persuaded that he's wrong, then there is a certain irrationality in trying to persuade him. 'Insanity' might be a harsh perjorative word, but I'm not going to treat it as an insult this time. Are these opponents really opposing each-other with an intent to persuade each-other, or maybe belittle each-other, or are they playing to the greater audience? I suspect the latter/
I'm not making a moderators judgement, just putting out there the rhetorical question.
I just want the "we need to DO SOMETHING" crowd to say what they will do other than say MASKSMASKSMASKSMASKS. I get that they have some thing against people who prefer not to wear masks, but I want to hear something of substance. We had seen results with hydroxychloroquine and zinc taken early but that they pooh-poohed. Given my choice I would take the hydroxychloroquine over a mask. We had a thread on mask wearers catching the bug.
I seriously want someone to explain what the "action" is to take other than masks. We have had the masks forced on us for 6 months in my parts. "Masks" is no longer an answer to "action."
Quote: AZDuffmanI just want the "we need to DO SOMETHING" crowd to say what they will do other than say MASKSMASKSMASKSMASKS. I get that they have some thing against people who prefer not to wear masks, but I want to hear something of substance. We had seen results with hydroxychloroquine and zinc taken early but that they pooh-poohed. Given my choice I would take the hydroxychloroquine over a mask. We had a thread on mask wearers catching the bug.
I seriously want someone to explain what the "action" is to take other than masks. We have had the masks forced on us for 6 months in my parts. "Masks" is no longer an answer to "action."
The "we need to do something" crowd has done of fine job of creating doubt and undermining any vaccine that may be developed by the pharmaceutical companies. Consequently we will see the virus persist and more people will die, until we can repair the damage that they've done to the vaccine industry.
Quote: KeyserThe "we need to do something" crowd has done of fine job of creating doubt and undermining any vaccine that may be developed by the pharmaceutical companies. Consequently we will see the virus persist and more people will die, until we can repair the damage that they've done to the vaccine industry.
Astrazeneca covid vaccine trial halted for safety concerns
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/06/astrazeneca-covid19-second-dose-trial-vaccine/
Johnson and Johnson covid vaccine trial halted for safety concerns
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/13/923225994/johnson-johnson-vaccine-trial-paused-due-to-unexplained-illness-in-participant
Regeneron Antibodies treatment halted for safety concerns
https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/regeneron-pause-enrollment-covid-19-antibody-drug/588126/
Gilead covid vaccine trial halted for safety concerns
https://www.pharmamanufacturing.com/industrynews/2020/gilead-suffers-setback-as-remdesivir-trial-on-covid-19-patients-halted-in-china/
I would say the vaccine companies did a pretty good job of doing damage to the perceived safety of vaccines themselves
Quote: darkozAstrazeneca covid vaccine trial halted for safety concerns
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/06/astrazeneca-covid19-second-dose-trial-vaccine/
Johnson and Johnson covid vaccine trial halted for safety concerns
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/13/923225994/johnson-johnson-vaccine-trial-paused-due-to-unexplained-illness-in-participant
Regeneron Antibodies treatment halted for safety concerns
https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/regeneron-pause-enrollment-covid-19-antibody-drug/588126/
Gilead covid vaccine trial halted for safety concerns
https://www.pharmamanufacturing.com/industrynews/2020/gilead-suffers-setback-as-remdesivir-trial-on-covid-19-patients-halted-in-china/
I would say the vaccine companies did a pretty good job of doing damage to the perceived safety of vaccines themselves
That's quite common. Side effects are rare but can happen. In the above trials I believe all were found to be unrelated to the vaccine. When testing large groups of people someone is bound to develop an illness unrelated to the vaccine. When this happens, the company stops the trial to investigate and then resumes the trials once it's determined that the illness is unrelated to the vaccine.
I'm shocked that you didn't already know this. Why is that?
If you're an antivaxxer then I'm not going to even bother trying to explaining why vaccines are generally safe. But please at least accept that the world isn't flat. I will say this...if you ever get bitten by what you believe to have been a rabid animal, then at least trust the experts when they say to get the rabies vaccine. Don't try to treat it using a "holistic approach".
Quote: KeyserExactly, (...take sensible precautions...) which is pretty much what Florida has done, unlike NY where the number of deaths from the virus have been sky high!
We are yet to see whether or not to praise Florida for what it has done.
True, so far, so good. However, C-virus cases are increasing, as experts told us to expect. Yesterday's positivity rate for first-time tests was 30 percent, so there's plenty of C-virus out there.
I hope Florida continues to navigate a (reasonably) stable path through the C-virus minefield. But, Florida -- like many other states -- may get a very unpleasant surprise between now and the end of the year. Ummm... if you smell smoke, it may be too late to take precautions.
Looks like it might be coming to Vegas
Quote: mcallister3200Hypocrite pushing the blame on others. Having businesses hold smokers to the same restrictions as non smokers and there would at least be a good number fewer cases.
Seriously, why would it be a good idea to allow the smokers to attempt to kill us in more ways than one? One was already too many...
Quote: darkozhttps://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/sisolak-gives-nevada-2-weeks-to-get-virus-under-control
Looks like it might be coming to Vegas
Better go hide at home again!
But, why is this happening if masks work so well??
Quote: AZDuffmanBetter go hide at home again!
But, why is this happening if masks work so well??
I don't need to hide at home.
I live in NYC where masks wearing is the law
These same people get together with their buddies, light up weed, pass the blunt around each person taking a pull (same blunt, different moist lips) and they pass the alcohol bottle around taking a swig.
(That sounds worse than it seems. These people aren't drunk hobos but definitely enjoy getting high)
My point is I am quite certain most people are wearing masks properly but doing dumb stuff that negates all the mask usage.
Does that mean masks don't work? Of course they work. But people do dumb stuff!
Quote: mcallister3200Hypocrite pushing the blame on others. Having businesses hold smokers to the same restrictions as non smokers and there would at least be a good number fewer cases.
Yep. This is why I have absolutely no use for this guy. He gets up on his soap box screaming “wear your damn mask” all day, everyday....but then writes an exemption for casino smokers to puff away with the mask hanging off their chin.
I get the mandate. I mask up all the time. When I see someone puffing his brains out on an 8” macanudo...mask down, I have no problem telling Governor Sisolak f.u. hypocrite.
He knows it should be banned during this pandemic fight. It’s money. He’s scared. I also get that. HE has to reconcile that while he tells non smokers “put on your damn mask and keep it up”....I don’t have to reconcile it. I already put it up.
Quote: AZDuffmanBetter go hide at home again!
But, why is this happening if masks work so well??
Alex Azar, what is his title health and human services I think, was just on CNN and had some astonishing things to say. This just happened minutes ago, so I haven't been able to find a link to share yet, but hopefully there will be one soon. So Azar, obviously appointed by Trump and one of those guys that has shared and repeated Trump claims had some interesting things to say. #1. he references a study by CDC proving that two people standing 1 meter apart (that is about 3 feet right), if both are wearing a mask, it reduces transmission 70%. Doesn't eliminate it, but reduces by more than 2/3's. This is our government, Trump's government saying this.
The second thing I found pretty amazing is Azar just said, certain behaviors and the example he used was eating out in restaurant's and bars increase transmission of this virus. Alex Azar said this! I promise you I will get the link as soon as CNN puts it up. Look the election is over. Trump long ago gave up on this virus, long ago gave up on science and math because he thought it was better for his re-election chance. That election is over. Let's get back to math and science and reality. And common sense!
Nobody says you have to hide at home. I am not in favor of a second shutdown, but you have to minimize situations that are riskier, like bars and restaurant's and I dare say casinos. I ended my blackjack play for the year several weeks ago and THAT is my livelihood!
The end to this thing is in sight! Just a little common sense and minimizing the riskiest situations and we can ALL get there.
add on: https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/11/12/alex-azar-hhs-coronavirus-forecast-cdc-vpx.cnn
Have my bicycle with me
If the strip is closed, it makes a wonderful bike trail
Looking forward to a visit regardless
Quote: terapinedI'm just a few weeks away from Vegas
Have my bicycle with me
If the strip is closed, it makes a wonderful bike trail
Looking forward to a visit regardless
I live here. I’m amazed at people who want to come here with the current situation. Even if there isn’t a fear of covid...the entire experience has taken a big hit. No shows, many venues operating at reduced capacity or not open at all, the mask mandate, plexiglass as far as the eye can see. Compounded by getting on a human covid transport now known as airline travel. Unless someone decides to get out of Vegas...national parks or scenic excursions, IMO, the Vegas experience right now is in the toilet. Have fun though. Maybe if I was a pure gambler and didn’t give a hoot about the rest...I could see it. Then again, almost all 50 states have local gambling.
Quote: TDVegasI live here. I’m amazed at people who want to come here with the current situation. Even if there isn’t a fear of covid...the entire experience has taken a big hit. No shows, many venues operating at reduced capacity or not open at all, the mask mandate, plexiglass as far as the eye can see. Compounded by getting on a human covid transport now known as airline travel. Unless someone decides to get out of Vegas...national parks or scenic excursions, IMO, the Vegas experience right now is in the toilet. Have fun though. Maybe if I was a pure gambler and didn’t give a hoot about the rest...I could see it. Then again, almost all 50 states have local gambling.
I gotta live somewhere.
RVing all over the country
Why not live in Vegas for a week or 2
A lot to see safely
Red Rock canyon
Lion habitat
Neon museum
Mount Charleston
Freemont st experience
Springs preserve
Riding my bike on the strip if closed
Gotta be a lot of local bike trails
Don't see any reason why not to visit
If I can survive virus overrun El Paso and Amarillo, I should be fine
Quote: terapinedI gotta live somewhere.
RVing all over the country
Why not live in Vegas for a week or 2
A lot to see safely
Red Rock canyon
Lion habitat
Neon museum
Mount Charleston
Freemont st experience
Springs preserve
Riding my bike on the strip if closed
Gotta be a lot of local bike trails
Don't see any reason why not to visit
If I can survive virus overrun El Paso and Amarillo, I should be fine
Ah, RV. OK. Enjoy. Based on your list, I could see coming here. Red Rock Canyon, afaik, is now requiring reservations to get in.
Quote: kewljThe D has been checking temperatures and Id's since they reopened in June and now have stopped, so everything must be A-ok despite the increased numbers in the news. Lol.
I’d love to know...with all these temperature check stations, how many have actually been turned away.
Quote: TDVegasI’d love to know...with all these temperature check stations, how many have actually been turned away.
At both Silverton and the Plaza almost every time I enter my temp registers in the upper 80's, telling you just how accurate those things are.
It was always just for show. You can have covid and no temperature and vice versa.
Quote: DeMangoThe odds of getting covid on a plane are up there by getting hit by lightning.
Quote: CDCAir travel requires spending time in security lines and airport terminals, which can bring you in close contact with other people and frequently touched surfaces. Most viruses and other germs do not spread easily on flights because of how air circulates and is filtered on airplanes. However, keeping your distance is difficult on crowded flights, and sitting within 6 feet of others, sometimes for hours, may increase your risk of getting COVID-19.
Your chance of catching covid in an airport queue or on the flying sardine tin are somewhat Higher than, say TerapinEd's chances within his RV.
Still if you want to risk your life and those of your family and friends, that's between you and them.
Quote: kewljAt both Silverton and the Plaza almost every time I enter my temp registers in the upper 80's, telling you just how accurate those things are.
It was always just for show. You can have covid and no temperature and vice versa.
I should stand under a heat lamp, put on clothes that just came out of a raging hot dryer...just before entering, just to see if I can purposely get denied. My guess is I pass with flying colors.
Quote: VegasriderTravel restrictions just put in place for To and From California, 14 day quarantine. That will hurt Nevada but this is something that is impossible to enforce.
With Thanksgiving coming up I doubt many people will abide by it.
Quote: TDVegasI should stand under a heat lamp, put on clothes that just came out of a raging hot dryer...just before entering, just to see if I can purposely get denied. My guess is I pass with flying colors.
And after that, why not go to an ER and tell them you have it. The fun possibilities are endless. Maybe call 911 and tell them you need a couple of ambulances while you are at it.
Quote: OnceDearYour chance of catching covid in an airport queue or on the flying sardine tin are somewhat Higher than, say TerapinEd's chances within his RV.
Still if you want to risk your life and those of your family and friends, that's between you and them.
I'm hardly taking any chances and traveling a ton and seeing alot.
RV checkin is contactless at a lot of places.
I was actually at one place where all they provided me was a phone for problems. I paid online. Picked my spot online. Pulled into my spot. Hooked up sewer, electric and water for a week. Left and never had contact with any human.
Biggest danger like anybody else, grocery store.
I am getting out a ton seeing the country but pretty safe activities like hiking to 700 year old cliff dwellings in the Gila mountains.
At some point, you should hit Bisbee and the Mule Mountains. It's a magical place.
Just voted #1 small town in America by treehugger.com
